After Planned Parenthood Attack, No Calls to Close Churches or Register Evangelicals

[dogs4thewin]

iirc, there were 30ish Muslims who died in the terrorist attacks on 9/11.

What does that have to do with, anything?

 

[redleghunter]

Yes we do. We see Christians shooting people every day. Some even believe that their murders and bombings are justified by the Bible.

Explain to me why I should be more scared of Muslim terrorists than I should be of Christian terrorists. They both view me as an infidel. I am a potential target for both of them and there are a lot more Christians than Muslims in this country.

I'm more likely to be murdered by a Christian than a Muslim, so why should I fear the Muslims?

Maybe the reason you fear Christian terrorists less is that you think you're not a target for them because you're Christian. They wouldn't hurt you. You're not their target.

Christians shoot people everyday? What a lie.

How trollish.

 

[LivingWordUnity]

Who dislikes Christians?

People who call for Christian churches to be closed.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Christians shoot people everyday? What a lie.

How trollish.

I am sure that people who CLAIM to be Christians shoot people every day.

 

[Armoured]

Read the link from BBC.

Interesting. I question their use of the term "jihadist" though. Much as we enjoy vilifying Islam with the term, it's not really appropriate to apply to people fighting a civil war, IMHO. And people fighting as irregular conventional forces certainly don't qualify as terrorists, which virtually all of these figures relate to, so to imply that the 5000 figure has anything to do with terrorism, per se, is misleading.

You might also care to look at the counties affected, and see if anything stands out to you.

 

[Armoured]

People who call for Christian churches to be closed.

Who did that?

 

[dogs4thewin]

How?

How do you eliminate one from being a Christian, based on what appears to be a completely subjective analysis?

The Bible provides; through Jesus a particular way in which Christians are to relate to the world. No one is perfect, but when people keep doing things that do not line up with the Bible while calling themselves Christian then you wonder.

 

[redleghunter]

The Muslims say that Muslim terrorists don't follow the commands of the koran.
I'll believe them long before I'd believe your lectures on religions you fear and hate.

God commanded his followers to rape and pillage, murder their victims children, and you blow it off as "That's just the old testament". It's still in the Bible and it's still part of Judaism, but you don't condemn Christianity or Judaism with the hatred and fury you have for Islam. Probably because you'd have to face your raging hypocrisy in order to do so.

The Bible and the Koran have violent verses that extremists twist and abuse to justify their crimes. You argue that the Muslims are inherently violent and evil. If so, I apply the same argument to you.

Fourth time you have lied about me. Why do you need to make it personal?

How about all that data on the non existent "string" of Christian attacks? You have no answer because you bear false witness on a Christian site no less.

Ok here's a recommendation. Go to a Muslim forum and pose the same questions and let us know how long it takes before you get a cyber Fahtwa.

 

[Armoured]

What does that have to do with, anything?

Backtrack the quote chain, you're a smart girl, I'm sure you can figure it out.

 

[Steve Petersen]

Interesting. I question their use of the term "jihadist" though. Much as we enjoy vilifying Islam with the term, it's not really appropriate to apply to people fighting a civil war, IMHO. And people fighting as irregular conventional forces certainly don't qualify as terrorists, which virtually all of these figures relate to, so to imply that the 5000 figure has anything to do with terrorism, per se, is misleading.

You might also care to look at the counties affected, and see if anything stands out to you.

From the link:

"HOW DO YOU DEFINE JIHADISM? We define jihadism as a modern revolutionary political ideology mandating the use of violence to defend or promote a particular very narrow vision of Sunni Islam. Explanation:1 While jihad is an Islamic concept which means ‘struggle’ and has both military and spiritual connotations, the term jihad-ism describes a political ideology; and while many Shia groups and individuals refer to themselves as ‘jihadists’ this count focuses on a particular movement categorised by Al Qaeda, its affiliates and those who subscribe to a similar philosophy.  These jihadists believe that Islam is under attack – from the West, Israel, apostate Muslim rulers, and the Shiites – and that every Muslim must come to its defence.  What differentiates jihadists from other groups and individuals that have justified violence in Islamic terms is their doctrine and long-term political vision. The jihadists’ aim is to create states or societies that are governed by an extremely narrow, puritanical interpretation of Sunni Islam known as Salafism (or Wahhabism).  Salafi doctrine accounts for the jihadists’ aggressive hostility towards other sects and religions; their rejection of man-made laws and democracy; and their enforcement of public morality, dress codes, and social norms.  Many groups in Pakistan and Afghanistan – most prominently the Taliban – do not classify as Salafist or Wahhabist. They typically follow the Deobandi or Ahl e Hadith traditions, which are similar to Salafism in their emphasis on literalism and have developed more or less in parallel. For the purposes of this study we have included them as jihadist groups.  Some of the beliefs listed above are held by other Muslims but it is a combination of all of these beliefs along with the readiness to kill in the name of those ideas that defines jihadism in this count. Only a minority of Sunni Muslims worldwide are Salafists, and only a small fraction of Salafists are jihadists. Jihadists, therefore, do not represent mainstream Islam, and their doctrine, views and methods are not shared by the vast majority of Muslims."

"HOW ARE YOU DEFINING GROUPS OF JIHADISTS? This research is based on the assumption that, in addition to acts of violence carried out by (nameless) networks and individuals, the majority of jihadist incidents are the responsibility of groups. The methods we used for identifying groups in this study were based on: 1) The definition of jihadism as laid out in the methodology of this project. 2) The feedback from three independent reviewers (Prof Mark Sedgwick; Prof Martha Crenshaw; Dr Omar Ashour). 3) An academic ‘Jihadist Scoring System’ devised by John David Payne, Donna Lee Bowen, and Joseph Woolstenhume2 , to determine whether “jihadism” is the predominant motivation for all the groups and actors included in this exercise. This study has not set out to study all Islamist violence. We are aiming to produce data focused on a particular type of violent conflict – namely Al Qadea groups, their affiliates and other groups motivated by a very similar ideology."

 

[dogs4thewin]

Backtrack the quote chain, you're a smart girl, I'm sure you can figure it out.

I understand the whole idea of Muslims killing their own, but what I was asking was if the number had anything to do with it.

 

[zippy2]

The very fact that some Christians can claim on a Christian forum that Christians are responsible for what that crazed man did at PP, is beyond my comprehension.
And to confuse that with ISIS and Radical Islam trying to take over the world is doubly stupid. THEY ARE TRYING TO KILL US ALL. When is that going to register, people?

 

[Steve Petersen]

The very fact that some Christians can claim on a Christian forum that Christians are responsible for what that crazed man did at PP, is beyond my comprehension.
And to confuse that with ISIS and Radical Islam trying to take over the world is doubly stupid. THEY ARE TRYING TO KILL US ALL. When is that going to register, people?

When ISIS is sawing THEIR heads off! Then the light MIGHT go on!

 

[brinny]

The very fact that some Christians can claim on a Christian forum that Christians are responsible for what that crazed man did at PP, is beyond my comprehension.
And to confuse that with ISIS and Radical Islam trying to take over the world is doubly stupid. THEY ARE TRYING TO KILL US ALL. When is that going to register, people?

my thoughts exactly.

 

[redleghunter]

What is your opinion of the prophets of the Bible? Was Moses evil?

What did Moses do?

 

[Tallguy88]

Here it is again. Militant Chistians? Decieved by Satan. Militant Muslims? Following the direct words of Mohammed.

You can read the words of the Quran and the Hadiths for yourself to see violence extolled by Muslims toward non-believers. Christians have no authoritative teachings to do such things.

 

[redleghunter]

As far as I can tell everyone in this thread is simply pointing out that Christians ( sometimes) do the same actitvies.

Which is an absurd premise as well.

Here's a comparison.

Christian violence is comparable to the number of World Series victories by the NY Mets

As Muslim violence is comparable to the number of World Series victories as the NY Yankees.

There's no comparison. The Yankees have won exponentially more WS.

Same with Muslim violence.

 

[dogs4thewin]

What did Moses do?

He killed someone ( among other things.)

 

[redleghunter]

Yeah, and do you see how ridiculous it's gotten with Christians trying to make excuses for that sort of behavior? Why can't they just own their extremists and write their beliefs off as dangerous religious extremism? It's simple. I've stated it several times in this thread.

The KKK, ISIS, and the Army of God are extremist religious organizations that commit acts of terrorism. Their beliefs and actions are not representative of their religions as a whole.

What position of morality do you speak from being a pagan?

 

[Tallguy88]

What is your opinion of the prophets of the Bible? Was Moses evil?

The Phrophets had direct communication from God to do specific things at specific times. No one today has that direct personal orders from God to do violence, so it's not a valid comparason.