Mom Says Hospital Won't Let Her See Baby Because She Smoked Pot

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I'm sure it's not hard to look up the medical research on the issue. You might not be able to download entire papers, but the abstracts ought to provide insight.
The controversy is intriguing.
Have you heard the account by Jack Herer in his book about cannabis prohibition?
Science can cbe privatized, commercialized, weaponized, and now with the uncertainty principle and the observation effect, endlessly argued.
 
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I think the biggest problem is that there hasn't been sufficient research because of the way that Marijuana has been classified. I hope the slow loosening of laws prohibiting Marijuana use will allow significantly more research to be conducted to better understand both the risks and benefits.
 
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Good grief---there is no way to document how many mothers have given birth totally loaded on pot, who then went on to breast feed them---with no bad results. It's about time somebody asked their mother's--and actually their grandmother's, if they were on pot when they were born. I personally know of several. I did not smoke myself, but most of my friends did, and they had children and breast fed them and the kids were, and still are, fine. There are very young children, under 5 even, who are being prescribed MMJ for seizures, it's the only thing that has given them a chance at a normal life as they could do nothing but have seizures before that. They are now able to sit up and start learning, before, they couldn't even progress in development enough to even sit up, much less learn to walk. There was that one 5 year old who is now able to school, she had been practically a seizing vegetable before the MMJ.
 
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Whether right or wrong for them to take her baby away, I can't feel sorry for her, she should think more about her unborn child than to take that or any kind of drug while pregnant even if it's aspirin. Shame on her, she don't know how that stuff could affect her child and she didn't care, she cared more about her own self than her child. Whatever pain she had in her arm I'm sure she could endure it for a while to keep that child from having possible lifelong problems or issues if she wanted to, she just didn't care.
 
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Good grief---there is no way to document how many mothers have given birth totally loaded on pot, who then went on to breast feed them---with no bad results. It's about time somebody asked their mother's--and actually their grandmother's, if they were on pot when they were born. I personally know of several. I did not smoke myself, but most of my friends did, and they had children and breast fed them and the kids were, and still are, fine. There are very young children, under 5 even, who are being prescribed MMJ for seizures, it's the only thing that has given them a chance at a normal life as they could do nothing but have seizures before that. They are now able to sit up and start learning, before, they couldn't even progress in development enough to even sit up, much less learn to walk. There was that one 5 year old who is now able to school, she had been practically a seizing vegetable before the MMJ.

Maybe that's why there are so many crazy people in this world these days that go and shoot up movie theaters and things like that for no reason and why the kids are so hyper and need to be put on anti psychotic drugs at 6yrs old to get them to keep still and stop them from hurting people. Maybe their parents thought they were just fine even though the took drugs while pregnant too. Maybe to them that's normal. LOL Jeffrey Dahlmer's parents thought he was just fine too, 30yrs later he turned into a sick cannibal eating people.
 
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Maybe that's why there are so many crazy people in this world these days that go and shoot up movie theaters and things like that for no reason and why the kids are so hyper and need to be put on anti psychotic drugs at 6yrs old to get them to keep still and stop them from hurting people. Maybe their parents thought they were just fine even though the took drugs while pregnant too. Maybe to them that's normal. LOL Jeffrey Dahlmer's parents thought he was just fine too, 30yrs later he turned into a sick cannibal eating people.

LOL----I bet you saw Reefer Madness and believed every word!! I grew up hating drugs, esp. pot. One brother started smoking at 16 and went down hill from there. I believed it was due to the pot and hated it to the point I would have turned my own mother in for it. He died at 50, he'd left pot behind for years and was on heroin and alcohol and had no liver left. I blamed pot and bought into the gateway drug thing. But even I laughed when I saw Reefer Madness. Nobody on pot ever acted that way. They never turned into crazed maniacs ripping up people and stuff, heck, --you can't get them, off the couch!! I started doing research and finding out for myself about it after seeing children with seizures being helped with it, and discovering how much it helps with pain, and researched the use of it in other cultures--from the Egyptians to the Chinese in ancient literature as a medicine for many things. I found out the government made it illegal to write ANYTHING POSITIVE ABOUT IT. How does anyone make an intelligent decision about anything if it's only legal to print the bad stuff about it? Nobody can get the right info, not doctors, not police, nobody. It was the Israelis who researched into the positive use of it and discovered no end of stuff about it and I am now on MMJ myself after over 24 years of horrible, worsening, debilitating pain, to where I ended up on disability. I am not pain free, but I was out of options, nothing else helped much--this made my life bearable. At least I can pray for something other than an early death!!
My brother would have died exactly as he did if there had never been pot for the simple reason that pot could not give him what he wanted--oblivion--alcohol and other heavy drugs could. He wanted to forget certain things, if he had stuck to pot, he'd be alive today. It took me years to see it. Pot smokers who turn to other drugs are looking for something pot can't give them. I've been on it for over a year, I cook it and drink it--I can't smoke anything, I just cough. I've never gotten high, don't know what that feels like (I'm starting to feel cheated!)Pot heads don't turn into crazed cannibals---it mellows them out, if anything. They don't have the gumption to get up and iron their clothes--my brother quite ironing his when he started smoking it! I am more active, for the simple reason I'm not in blinding, crying my heart out pain and can function better.
It's other drugs that make people do crazy things. Nobody I ever met went berserk on pot and shot up anything. And all the children of the pot heads I've known over the past 50 years never went crazy either. You need to do some REAL research.
 
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LOL----I bet you saw Reefer Madness and believed every word!! I grew up hating drugs, esp. pot. One brother started smoking at 16 and went down hill from there. I believed it was due to the pot and hated it to the point I would have turned my own mother in for it. He died at 50, he'd left pot behind for years and was on heroin and alcohol and had no liver left. I blamed pot and bought into the gateway drug thing. But even I laughed when I saw Reefer Madness. Nobody on pot ever acted that way. They never turned into crazed maniacs ripping up people and stuff, heck, --you can't get them, off the couch!! I started doing research and finding out for myself about it after seeing children with seizures being helped with it, and discovering how much it helps with pain, and researched the use of it in other cultures--from the Egyptians to the Chinese in ancient literature as a medicine for many things. I found out the government made it illegal to write ANYTHING POSITIVE ABOUT IT. How does anyone make an intelligent decision about anything if it's only legal to print the bad stuff about it? Nobody can get the right info, not doctors, not police, nobody. It was the Israelis who researched into the positive use of it and discovered no end of stuff about it and I am now on MMJ myself after over 24 years of horrible, worsening, debilitating pain, to where I ended up on disability. I am not pain free, but I was out of options, nothing else helped much--this made my life bearable. At least I can pray for something other than an early death!!
My brother would have died exactly as he did if there had never been pot for the simple reason that pot could not give him what he wanted--oblivion--alcohol and other heavy drugs could. He wanted to forget certain things, if he had stuck to pot, he'd be alive today. It took me years to see it. Pot smokers who turn to other drugs are looking for something pot can't give them. I've been on it for over a year, I cook it and drink it--I can't smoke anything, I just cough. I've never gotten high, don't know what that feels like (I'm starting to feel cheated!)Pot heads don't turn into crazed cannibals---it mellows them out, if anything. They don't have the gumption to get up and iron their clothes--my brother quite ironing his when he started smoking it! I am more active, for the simple reason I'm not in blinding, crying my heart out pain and can function better.
It's other drugs that make people do crazy things. Nobody I ever met went berserk on pot and shot up anything. And all the children of the pot heads I've known over the past 50 years never went crazy either. You need to do some REAL research.
Wow. What a journey.
Just bake it into brownies and be sure your with someone experienced you can trust.
 
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Whether right or wrong for them to take her baby away, I can't feel sorry for her, she should think more about her unborn child than to take that or any kind of drug while pregnant even if it's aspirin. Shame on her, she don't know how that stuff could affect her child and she didn't care, she cared more about her own self than her child. Whatever pain she had in her arm I'm sure she could endure it for a while to keep that child from having possible lifelong problems or issues if she wanted to, she just didn't care.
Shame on you for not realizing the mental problems interfering with newborn - mother bonding.
You are smarter than her doctor, and can both judge and withstand, another person's pain.
You must be very proud of yourself.
 
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Pretty sure a lot of babies have to live with parents that have done much worse. Still, expecting mothers shouldn't be smoking anything of any kind, at all. Pretty simple rule in parenting so I'm not surprised the state stepped in.
I agree that they should have stepped in ,but to remove a child permanently ,and give to another person ,not unless the case is incurable .
 
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I agree that they should have stepped in ,but to remove a child permanently ,and give to another person ,not unless the case is incurable .
"They" "stepped in" by telling her to smoke it in the first place.
 
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Whether right or wrong for them to take her baby away, I can't feel sorry for her, she should think more about her unborn child than to take that or any kind of drug while pregnant even if it's aspirin. Shame on her, she don't know how that stuff could affect her child and she didn't care, she cared more about her own self than her child. Whatever pain she had in her arm I'm sure she could endure it for a while to keep that child from having possible lifelong problems or issues if she wanted to, she just didn't care.
You do know that many pregnant women have serious medical conditions, correct? And how do you "know" she didn't care? Do you know her? Do you know for certain she actually didn't care? Because her actions in trying to see her baby would suggest otherwise to the majority of people. Or are you just assuming you know everything about this woman?
 
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Maybe that's why there are so many crazy people in this world these days that go and shoot up movie theaters and things like that for no reason and why the kids are so hyper and need to be put on anti psychotic drugs at 6yrs old to get them to keep still and stop them from hurting people. Maybe their parents thought they were just fine even though the took drugs while pregnant too. Maybe to them that's normal. LOL Jeffrey Dahlmer's parents thought he was just fine too, 30yrs later he turned into a sick cannibal eating people.
Do you know that Jeffrey Dahmer's parents smoked pot? If not, what on earth does that have to do with anything?
 
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Oh they are just overacting. Take a look around New Orleans, Oakland, Los Angles, Chicago, Detroit, Baltimore, Philadelphia and New York. All those cities are bastions of good citizenship and moral behavior. Drug use by mothers has promoted all the good behavior we have seen lately from these fine cities.
What are you inferring about those cities? Are you saying that all other cities are bastions of good citizenship and moral behavior?
 
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I agree that they should have stepped in ,but to remove a child permanently ,and give to another person ,not unless the case is incurable .
I agree. They should work with the mother to try to get her back her baby and put her in a rehab program. Normally I wouldn't go as far as rehab for smoking pot but if you're doing when you're about to give birth, then it's safe to say you have a problem you can't really fix yourself.
 
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I agree that they should have stepped in ,but to remove a child permanently ,and give to another person ,not unless the case is incurable .

If you have some silly medical person giving her pot for her hurting arm? You need to - as a country - look to see if maybe your laws need to change. You don't act this way when someone with authorization gives it to her.

I had some serious ailments when I was preggers, and all they would hand over was Tylenol. I had to deal with it - the pain. Did it rot? Yes, along with many other part of regular pregnancy...but I knew why I did it. If they legalized the use of pot for medical reasons - which is what I'm reading from Chile's laws - then you can't hold that against her unless the laws have circumstances in which they say you can't administer it while with child. Doesn't sound like they do.

I see that as completely different than some mother that smoked up to get high - just for the purpose of getting high - while pregnant. I would hope no one would say that is the thing to do.

They are contradicting their own sets of laws. So, no in this case I don't feel removing the child was justified legally. For me morally? I do have a problem with it, but that has to stay in the corner due to the laws. She legally was allowed, and that's the end of it for me.
 
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I would rather she take a drug that has been proven as not negatively affecting the child in the womb. False dichotomy much?

It's true - don't take pot when pregnant for obvious reasons if it's harmful to the baby. That said, a lot of people do careless or stupid things when pregnant, including taking the wrong pills or other medical assistance. If we cut off every mother who made a mistake while pregnant, we'd be in trouble. I think she should be reunified with her baby.
 
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