2 more school (college) shootings right now. Texas and Arizona.

I haven't gone through all the posts, but everyone realizes these two cases were not "campus mass shootings," right? These were the rather prosaic "guy got mad and got a gun" shootings, and one wasn't even on the campus.

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What I'm saying is that the community at large is working to get a handle on what is happening and why. Of course people involved know the specifics of the individual cases and are working to relate that knowledge to the bigger picture of prevention. Being dismissive of that, or suggesting it isn't worth looking for a solution because not enough can be known is not helpful.
No one is claiming that guns cause people to be suicidal, but while people are working to address the why, lowering the risk by keeping guns out of the hands of suicidal folks and young kids is a prudent step.
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I am being dismissive of nothing, nor have I been suggesting that it isn't worth looking for a solution.
I am suggesting that any solution really depends upon the specifics.
If it is not the weather, then sun lamps would not be the solution, for example.
If you don't know, you don't know.
and if you did know, I am sure you would have told us already.

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So back to restricting or removing rights from law-abiding citizens again?

Seriously you have gone round and round and round here Tad.

First you don't know me Tad. And like I have posted before, I am doing something about it. Did I not say that I am active in 4-H shooting sports? This is the number one thing we work on in shooting sports gun safety and proper respect and usage of the weapons. So what are you doing? Hum?

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Yeah, and I'm going to go round and round again. It wasn't until just recently that I learned about unregulated arms sales between private citizens. If you're selling weapons to individuals you don't know or don't care to know, you're not a responsible gun owner, you're the problem. If you're squealing because you think requiring background checks for all gun transactions is an infringement on your rights, then you're not a responsible gun owner, you're part of the problem.

The fact remains, every gun in the hand of a criminal first was in the hand of a legal gun owner. I'm happy to stay on message here.

And you're right, I don't know you and I don't know who you've been buying guns from or selling guns to, and I don't know if you or your family is really that competent with guns and I'm not really willing to take your word on it given your performance to this point.

As to what am I doing?

I'm going to church to mourn and to pray every time I'm affected by gun violence and I'm going to reflect on my role in society and in what ways I might be contributing to the culture of death.

I've divorced myself from gun culture.

I'm sharing your ridiculous arguments with others so they can get a sense of how out of control the gun lobby is.

I'm educating others on the stupidity of current gun laws and the unrestricted transactions going on between 'responsible' gun owners.

Now I'll tell you what I'm not doing:

I'm not buying guns from people I don't know, and I'm not selling guns to people I don't know.

I'm not shooting in crowded dispersal camping areas at night.

I'm not making obnoxious displays of firearms in public places.

I'm not trashing our public lands.

I'm not poaching.

I'm not pumping magazines full of hot lead into innocent piles of dirt.

I'm not participating in wildcat shooting sites next to busy highways.

I'm not teaching kids how to take pot shots at juvenile owls.

I'm not inadvertently participating in the culture of death.

Mountain_Girl406 said:

What I'm saying is that the community at large is working to get a handle on what is happening and why. Of course people involved know the specifics of the individual cases and are working to relate that knowledge to the bigger picture of prevention. Being dismissive of that, or suggesting it isn't worth looking for a solution because not enough can be known is not helpful.
No one is claiming that guns cause people to be suicidal, but while people are working to address the why, lowering the risk by keeping guns out of the hands of suicidal folks and young kids is a prudent step.
Many years ago, a friend came to me with an arm load of weapons, mainly guns and knives. She'd been struggling with suicidal thoughts and thought until she could see her doctor and get her meds straightened out, she best get them out of her house. She asked me to lock them up and not let her have them.
If I followed the advice of some here, I guess I should have said "no, guns and knives being easy to access aren't a risk or anything. .keep em! "
I took them, stashed them away, and she got help. She's still doing well decades later.

So here's my takeaway on all this. You work to find the causes for suicide in children and adults and address the problem at the cause. At the same time, one can recognize that while guns don't cause suicide, they can increase the likelihood of successful suicide attempts especially among children. In fact, the data are clear that having guns in the home is a net risk overall.

We have rules of many sorts in place to protect kids from getting into things they aren't mature enough to handle. We don't encourage driving, sexual activities or drinking among those too immature to make good choices. However, guns seem to get a pass, with some thinking that these children who can't be trusted with the car keys or the keys to the liquor cabinet are just fine being trusted around guns. Not only youth suicides, but also every occurrence of a child accidentally shooting themselves or others points to their unreadiness.

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No one is saying to leave the guns around or let kids play with them. I've never been to a house where a loaded pistol was setting in a chair with kids running around all over the place. If I had to bet if you would ask those parents they probably thought those guns were secure and/or out of the reach of their children. A teenager wanting to do something can be pretty inventive in getting what they want. Pretty much you learn if you have access to something most probably you teenager has access to it or can get access.

tadoflamb said:

Yeah, and I'm going to go round and round again. It wasn't until just recently that I learned about unregulated arms sales between private citizens. If you're selling weapons to individuals you don't know or don't care to know, you're not a responsible gun owner, you're the problem. If you're squealing because you think requiring background checks for all gun transactions is an infringement on your rights, then you're not a responsible gun owner, you're part of the problem.

The fact remains, every gun in the hand of a criminal first was in the hand of a legal gun owner. I'm happy to stay on message here.

And you're right, I don't know you and I don't know who you've been buying guns from or selling guns to, and I don't know if you or your family is really that competent with guns and I'm not really willing to take your word on it given your performance to this point.

As to what am I doing?

I'm going to church to mourn and to pray every time I'm affected by gun violence and I'm going to reflect on my role in society and in what ways I might be contributing to the culture of death.

I've divorced myself from gun culture.

I'm sharing your ridiculous arguments with others so they can get a sense of how out of control the gun lobby is.

I'm educating others on the stupidity of current gun laws and the unrestricted transactions going on between 'responsible' gun owners.

Now I'll tell you what I'm not doing:

I'm not buying guns from people I don't know, and I'm not selling guns to people I don't know.

I'm not shooting in crowded dispersal camping areas at night.

I'm not making obnoxious displays of firearms in public places.

I'm not trashing our public lands.

I'm not poaching.

I'm not pumping magazines full of hot lead into innocent piles of dirt.

I'm not participating in wildcat shooting sites next to busy highways.

I'm not teaching kids how to take pot shots at juvenile owls.

I'm not inadvertently participating in the culture of death.

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Can you demonized a person you are debating anymore than you have? Look if you can't argue your point without misrepresenting the other, you shouldn't even try. I have bought all my guns new. I've only sold one gun in my life to my brother in law who has a son wanting to get in 4-H shooting sports. I don't go out blasting up the place as you want to claim I do, in fact it's been years since I shot a gun. I shot enough bullets in defense of this country, and probably more than most people would shoot in a two lifetimes; so I have no desire taking sports shooting up as a hobby. Me I shoot arrows, that's my passion.

I have friends and family that do shoot, some competitively and all for hunting. And what you find is that the far majority of hunters have a greater respect for the environment and the animals they hunt than any tree hugger. In fact hunters give more of their time and money than any treehugger to protect the habitats and the populations of game animals. You can say for selfish reasons yes; but facts are facts.

What you are doing Tad is disingenuous. You are demonizing all gun-owners; because of the stupidity of a few. It insulting and pathetic; and quite honestly I expected better. You are doing to gun owners what I bet you have accused Protestants of doing to Catholics in the other forums.

If you're saying guns should be kept unloaded and locked away from kids then we are in agreement. The argument I hear, though, is that such guns are not very useful in home defense, and it restricts a gun owners freedom to be asked to keep them safely stored if young people are in the home.

Erose said:

No one is saying to leave the guns around or let kids play with them. I've never been to a house where a loaded pistol was setting in a chair with kids running around all over the place. If I had to bet if you would ask those parents they probably thought those guns were secure and/or out of the reach of their children. A teenager wanting to do something can be pretty inventive in getting what they want. Pretty much you learn if you have access to something most probably you teenager has access to it or can get access.

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If you're saying guns should be kept unloaded and locked away from kids then we are in agreement. The argument I hear, though, is that such guns are not very useful in home defense, and it restricts a gun owners freedom to be asked to keep them safely stored if young people are in the home.

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With young children in the home, firearms must be stored in sturdy locked cabinets or safes--or literally kept continuously on one's own person.

Mountain_Girl406 said:

If you're saying guns should be kept unloaded and locked away from kids then we are in agreement. The argument I hear, though, is that such guns are not very useful in home defense, and it restricts a gun owners freedom to be asked to keep them safely stored if young people are in the home.

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If you have kids, there are simple safes you can buy that you can set on your night stand that are finger print released, which would work great in that situation. If I had young one(s) and a hand gun, that is what I would do. I would put a loaded hand gun, minus one in the chamber in a safe such as this.

Erose said:

If you have kids, there are simple safes you can buy that you can set on your night stand that are finger print released, which would work great in that situation. If I had young one(s) and a hand gun, that is what I would do. I would put a loaded hand gun, minus one in the chamber in a safe such as this.

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Seems reasonable

Ghost78 said:

Big push for gun control then
Sudden increase in mass shootings.... very convenient

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In a sense, it is very possible that the mass media creates the problem, even inadvertenly, because there is a high probability of a copy cat aspect to this kind of crime. As far as government goes, 'let no crisis go to waste' is an adage of how they react to the problem. It is an especially and overtly an opportunistic administration that is wielding power in the WH at the moment.

But as for the government in any way conspiring to actually commit the mass shootings in any way; that has absolutely no evidence.
To rise to the level of conspiracy theory, there has to be at least some half truth evidence involved. Absolutely no evidence at all does not even rise to the level of half truth then.

Erose said:

Can you demonized a person you are debating anymore than you have? Look if you can't argue your point without misrepresenting the other, you shouldn't even try. I have bought all my guns new. I've only sold one gun in my life to my brother in law who has a son wanting to get in 4-H shooting sports. I don't go out blasting up the place as you want to claim I do, in fact it's been years since I shot a gun. I shot enough bullets in defense of this country, and probably more than most people would shoot in a two lifetimes; so I have no desire taking sports shooting up as a hobby. Me I shoot arrows, that's my passion.

I have friends and family that do shoot, some competitively and all for hunting. And what you find is that the far majority of hunters have a greater respect for the environment and the animals they hunt than any tree hugger. In fact hunters give more of their time and money than any treehugger to protect the habitats and the populations of game animals. You can say for selfish reasons yes; but facts are facts.

What you are doing Tad is disingenuous. You are demonizing all gun-owners; because of the stupidity of a few. It insulting and pathetic; and quite honestly I expected better. You are doing to gun owners what I bet you have accused Protestants of doing to Catholics in the other forums.

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While you're preferred methods of killing are really uninteresting to me, I commend you for your practice of not making private gun transactions with people you don't know. Thing is, it's still perfectly legal to do so, lots of gun owners are doing it and it's how the majority of guns are ending up in the wrong hands. Surely, as a responsible gun owner you'd want to close this loophole and help keep guns out of the hands of criminals. I'm not sure why requiring a background check on all gun sales is making you snivel about your rights. Furthermore, I don't see why responsible gun owners would object to more stringent rules regarding gun purchases. Yes and no questions on gun purchase applications read something like: Are you insane? Are you on drugs? Are you treasonous? Who is going to answer yes to any of that?

Because I train altar servers and volunteer with St. Vincent de Paul I have submit to a background check every three years. Because I love and am responsible to the Catholic Church and because I want to ensure a safe environment for our children, I freely submit to it. You would think gun lovers would be the same. You'd think they would do anything it took to keep guns away from criminals. Reasonable gun owners are actually open to this.

As to the environment. Redington Pass is in the national forest and lies just outside of town between the Catalina and Rincon mountains. Not is it just scenic, it also has some very diverse habitat which attracts some interesting birds which can't be found easily anywhere else in Pima county. It's a popular spot for swimmers, mountain bikers, 4 wheelers, hunters and of course, the shooters. Birders tend not to go out there to much because of the gunfire. Personally, I take advantage of the gun lovers sleeping habits and can get out in the field early enough to enjoy a few quiet hours of birding before the shooting begins. Once the shooting does begin, it adds a little extra edge and excitement to birding treks. Not only do I have to keep an eye out for snakes and what not, I also have to be aware of who is shooting what, where and in what direction. I find if I keep my head down, and stick to the low ground I'm pretty safe from any random gun fire.

Wildcat shooters have pumped so much lead into the local landscape it has created a public health hazard. Currently the county is up there cleaning up the worst of it, and miles of Redington Pass road are off limits because of it. I'm not sure if their using dollars from ammo sales to do so, I more suspect their using my property taxes. Besides the toxic waste dump created by wildcat shooters, the entire area is littered with trashed targets and spent shells and everything man made has bullet holes in it.

The hunters aren't nearly so bad. In a way I can relate to them as they use their optics to scan the hills for wildlife across the hoods of their trucks. Of course, when I was a deer hunter I don't remember being so lazy as to have hunt from my vehicle or even a road. On one excursion, I had the opportunity to talk to a local rancher. He was making the rounds on his ATV checking up on the deer hunters. He didn't seem to be too impressed by them. At least favorably so. He did find it amusing that there aren't a lot of deer up there. I checked for myself, and sure enough in subsequent trips the only sign I found was one small hoof print. No wonder those poor men looked so frustrated.

At any rate, gun lovers have made such a mess of the area, there's a use review going on by the Forest Service right now, and with any luck, we'll be able to kick gun lovers out of there. Like everything else, they really messed this one up.

Gun lovers contribute to wildlife habitat through ammunition sales, licenses and stamps. Hardly altruistic. Meanwhile, gun friendly politicians continue to weaken environmental regulations. It's hard for me to consider the gun crowd defenders of the environment.

And, if we're going to address disengenuousness let me point out that contrary to your accusations that I:

Don't want to ban guns, cars or swimming pools

Don't believe all gun owners are criminals

Don't believe you're trashing the woods with your guns

Don't believe guns cause suicides or cause people to go crazy

That's just off the top of my head. I guess if I really cared to review I could come with some more, and of course, more are on their way, I'm sure. And just so I'm not misrepresenting your position let me ask some clarifying questions:

Are you really against background checks for private gun transactions?

Is giving an Uzi to a 9 year old really a good idea?

Are 9 year olds really driving in your community?

Do you really equate the protest of a group of weapon laden gun lovers in a bakery to the protest of Rosa Parks?

Are armed protests necessary anywhere?

Should gun lovers be intimidating citizens by carrying assault rifles into public places just because it's their constitutional right?

Do you think college student's have any business keeping tactical pistols with flashlights in their cars?

Is wildcat shooting next to a busy highway OK?

Living in Arizona puts me elbow to elbow with the gun culture. Personally, given my experiences of late, I think it's sick and out of control, and I never knew how bad it was until I started participating in this thread. In that way, it's been a real eye opener. It's the gun community who has to find a way out of this epidemic of gun violence, if they really love their guns they're going to have to come up with a better response to the body count than gun advocate Jeb Bush's dismissal 'Stuff happens'. Personally, I expect more from persons of conscience, especially if that person happens to be Catholic.

Authorities have said more than 500 firearms recovered from crime scenes had been traced back to Badger Guns and Badger Outdoors, making it the "No. 1 crime gun dealer in America," according to a 2005 charging document from an unrelated case.

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Tad I almost didn't respond to this post, because quite frankly I'm tired. But I will do so out of respect.

tadoflamb said:

While you're preferred methods of killing are really uninteresting to me, I commend you for your practice of not making private gun transactions with people you don't know. Thing is, it's still perfectly legal to do so, lots of gun owners are doing it and it's how the majority of guns are ending up in the wrong hands. Surely, as a responsible gun owner you'd want to close this loophole and help keep guns out of the hands of criminals. I'm not sure why requiring a background check on all gun sales is making you snivel about your rights. Furthermore, I don't see why responsible gun owners would object to more stringent rules regarding gun purchases. Yes and no questions on gun purchase applications read something like: Are you insane? Are you on drugs? Are you treasonous? Who is going to answer yes to any of that?

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If you were following my discussion with Mike you would notice that I'm not against the idea. But what my point was to him and now to you is this:

Currently background checks are suppose to be done for all new gun sales right? But yet those people who aren't suppose to be able to buy guns, slip through the system all the time. The Lafayette theater shooter bought a new gun legally in Alabama, even though he had a documented history of severe mental illness, even his wife calling law enforcement warning them that she feared her husband was dangerous. Yet the FBI said he was good. So here is my point. If the current laws that are in the books right now are un-enforceable what is the use of another law that is unenforceable?

Quite frankly what is being proposed is just unenforceable. 1) There is already too many illegal guns on the streets, just ask the inner cities how many gang bangers buy guns from a legitimate dealer. 2) Those who would fall through the cracks due to a poor database system under the current law, will fall through the cracks if you added used gun sales as well. 3) A background check system would have not stopped any of the recent mass shootings, because all the mass murderers or their parents cleared the background system.

So until you pass laws to restrict the rights of privacy of the mentally ill, so that they are put into the current database, a background check isn't really going to be effective.

So to sum up my position on background checks is that I'm not against them, I just don't think they work or will work, until another law is passed.

tadoflamb said:

Because I train altar servers and volunteer with St. Vincent de Paul I have submit to a background check every three years. Because I love and am responsible to the Catholic Church and because I want to ensure a safe environment for our children, I freely submit to it. You would think gun lovers would be the same. You'd think they would do anything it took to keep guns away from criminals. Reasonable gun owners are actually open to this.

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Gun owners already do go through a background check every time they buy a new gun. Those who get their concealed carry permit goes through an even more intensive background check. So that really isn't the issue,

tadoflamb said:

As to the environment. Redington Pass is in the national forest and lies just outside of town between the Catalina and Rincon mountains. Not is it just scenic, it also has some very diverse habitat which attracts some interesting birds which can't be found easily anywhere else in Pima county. It's a popular spot for swimmers, mountain bikers, 4 wheelers, hunters and of course, the shooters. Birders tend not to go out there to much because of the gunfire. Personally, I take advantage of the gun lovers sleeping habits and can get out in the field early enough to enjoy a few quiet hours of birding before the shooting begins. Once the shooting does begin, it adds a little extra edge and excitement to birding treks. Not only do I have to keep an eye out for snakes and what not, I also have to be aware of who is shooting what, where and in what direction. I find if I keep my head down, and stick to the low ground I'm pretty safe from any random gun fire.

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. Maybe Arizona is ate up on this matter; but if started shooting guns in a national forest here in LA especially around other civilians, the Rangers would be giving out fines and in extreme cases confiscating guns and arresting people. Perhaps next time you should call the Rangers.

Quite frankly if you are out there dodging bullets, you're judgement here is quite questionable.

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Wildcat shooters have pumped so much lead into the local landscape it has created a public health hazard. Currently the county is up there cleaning up the worst of it, and miles of Redington Pass road are off limits because of it. I'm not sure if their using dollars from ammo sales to do so, I more suspect their using my property taxes. Besides the toxic waste dump created by wildcat shooters, the entire area is littered with trashed targets and spent shells and everything man made has bullet holes in it.

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. How many wildcats do you guys have?

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The hunters aren't nearly so bad. In a way I can relate to them as they use their optics to scan the hills for wildlife across the hoods of their trucks. Of course, when I was a deer hunter I don't remember being so lazy as to have hunt from my vehicle or even a road. On one excursion, I had the opportunity to talk to a local rancher. He was making the rounds on his ATV checking up on the deer hunters. He didn't seem to be too impressed by them. At least favorably so. He did find it amusing that there aren't a lot of deer up there. I checked for myself, and sure enough in subsequent trips the only sign I found was one small hoof print. No wonder those poor men looked so frustrated.

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. If there is that many wildcats, then no wonder there isn't any deer.

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At any rate, gun lovers have made such a mess of the area, there's a use review going on by the Forest Service right now, and with any luck, we'll be able to kick gun lovers out of there. Like everything else, they really messed this one up.

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. If they are hunting wildcats, (I'm assuming they must be an over population) it sounds like the wildcat population is at fault.

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Gun lovers contribute to wildlife habitat through ammunition sales, licenses and stamps. Hardly altruistic. Meanwhile, gun friendly politicians continue to weaken environmental regulations. It's hard for me to consider the gun crowd defenders of the environment.

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. They contribute to the habitat by raising money through various conservation organizations, such as the Ducks Unlimited, National Wild Turkey Fed., Whitetails Unlimited, and US Sportsman Org to name a couple. These organizations spend millions every year in wildlife and habitat conservation and restoration. Do some research, you might be surprised how much hunters (and fishermen) contribute.

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And, if we're going to address disengenuousness let me point out that contrary to your accusations that I:

Don't want to ban guns, cars or swimming pools

Don't believe all gun owners are criminals

Don't believe you're trashing the woods with your guns

Don't believe guns cause suicides or cause people to go crazy

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. Good to hear.

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That's just off the top of my head. I guess if I really cared to review I could come with some more, and of course, more are on their way, I'm sure. And just so I'm not misrepresenting your position let me ask some clarifying questions:

Are you really against background checks for private gun transactions?

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No. Just don't think it is enforceable, nor do I think it will work.

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Is giving an Uzi to a 9 year old really a good idea?

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No.

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Are 9 year olds really driving in your community?

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I'm sure there are some who still do such things.

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Do you really equate the protest of a group of weapon laden gun lovers in a bakery to the protest of Rosa Parks?

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To a certain point yes. In both case we are looking at protests against rights restriction. People such as yourself have demonized gun owners so much, that letting people see that they are perfectly safe around gun owners has become necessary it seems.

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. In America, not really. I don't think there are any new laws going to be passed. The Democrats may talk a good game at times, but they are not going to do anything. There are too many Democrats that own guns themselves. You start restriction gun ownership, there are going to be a lot of Democrats switching sides.

Concerning the picture posted, the question is were the guns loaded. If they weren't loaded, then no harm no foul.

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Should gun lovers be intimidating citizens by carrying assault rifles into public places just because it's their constitutional right?

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. I've never seen anyone carrying an AR-15 on their backs at the mall; so it's a non-issue. If it becomes widespread, and these guys/gals start waving these guns around intimidating folks, I'll be the first to ask where are the cops,

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Do you think college student's have any business keeping tactical pistols with flashlights in their cars?

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. It's their business. What they keep in their cars is their right.

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Is wildcat shooting next to a busy highway OK?

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. That's Arizona, not Louisiana. There are laws here that prevent hunting a certain distance from a highway. Nobody is complaining about the law.

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Living in Arizona puts me elbow to elbow with the gun culture. Personally, given my experiences of late, I think it's sick and out of control, and I never knew how bad it was until I started participating in this thread. In that way, it's been a real eye opener. It's the gun community who has to find a way out of this epidemic of gun violence, if they really love their guns they're going to have to come up with a better response to the body count than gun advocate Jeb Bush's dismissal 'Stuff happens'. Personally, I expect more from persons of conscience, especially if that person happens to be Catholic.

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. You know gun owners pay taxes just like everyone else. There are federal, state and local law enforcement agencies whose job it is to fight crime. Are you suggesting that private gun owners become vigilantes?

See it is commits like the last one that makes you look like a bigot. You are stereotyping all gun owners, because of a few idiots in Arizona. Sounds like Arizona has a problem.

The far majority of gun owners are law abiding citizens, you own guns for three primary reasons: personal defense, hunting, or recreational activities. And you are demonizing them and blaming them for things they had no part of. It ain't my responsibility that a criminal has a gun. I didn't give them the gun, nor did I encourage him to use a gun. Accusing me because of me being a gun owner of somehow being responsible for gun violence is quite frankly ludicrous.

Is there a small minority of idiots out there with guns? You bet! But there are more idiots behind a wheel of a car. In fact I would say I fear the idiots behind the wheel a whole lot more than the idiots behind a barrel.

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I like Bene. I just don't like harsh or overbearing. Think Nancy Grace. The woman drives me up a tree!

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Compare me to Nancy Grace?!? What the...? She is over the top with the over emphasized dramatic "tonight, breaking news..." I hope I don't come off like her...

Not really. I find Nancy Grace overtly hostile and abrasive. She was the only one that came to mind for Michael besides Ann Coulter who I also find over the top. They are examples of styles I do not like. You are mouthy but not like that as far as I can tell.

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Compare me to Nancy Grace?!? What the...? She is over the top with the over emphasized dramatic "tonight, breaking news..." I hope I don't come off like her...

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Controversies
In a 2011 New York Times article, David Carr wrote, "Since her show began in 2005, the presumption of innocence has found a willful enemy in the former prosecutor turned broadcast judge-and-jury". He criticized her handling of the kidnapping of Elizabeth Smart, the Duke lacrosse case, the Melinda Duckettinterview and suicide and the Caylee Anthony case. George Washington University law professor Jonathan Turley told Carr that Grace, as an attorney and reporter, "has managed to demean both professions with her hype, rabid persona, and sensational analysis. Some part of the public takes her seriously, and her show erodes the respect for basic rights."[12]

In January 2014, she again ignited controversy for her wildly negative depiction of recreational marijuana users. Grace made statements such as users were "fat and lazy" and that anyone who disagreed with her was "lethargic, sitting on the sofa, eating chips" to CNN's news correspondent Brooke Baldwin during a segment covering legalization in Colorado on January 6, 2014.[13]

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The first paragraph of criticism are pretty damning, if true.
The criticism in the second paragraph is amusing.