Afraid friend (who is single) is going to church for the wrong intention.

Cactus Jack · Oct 13, 2015

AHH who-stole-my-name said:
First of all stop assuming you know scripture and do the leg work and you might understand that there is a lot more in the Bible about protecting the community from possible harm. The OP stated that there was a good chance that she was trolling for a shack up to take care of her and her kids.

And someone somewhere somehow gave the OP the job of protecting the Christian world from the evil demons like the single mother....right? Not hardly. After all, the OP did invite the mother to church. There is a lot going on that you nor I know anything about. And there is a good chance that the OP had it all wrong. She really does not know everything going on. You don’t, either.

AHH who-stole-my-name said:
If you'd stop trying to be pompous for a second you would know this.

Thank you for the insult.

AHH who-stole-my-name said:
Again another reference to a scripture you are taking out of context and then adding another one that has nothing to do with the situation, outside of your head. You take care of the poor and the downtrodden. The historically irresponsible possible gold digger is another issue altogether.

And the hookers that Jesus forgave, they had no history? Everyone has a history. Including Paul.

AHH who-stole-my-name said:
No sir, you have never dealt with anyone like me. you are absolutely clueless to just about everything you've said here, including your assessments of the situation.

I disagree.

AHH who-stole-my-name said:
You talk about judge not but there are those whose conduct has been known and those it's biblical documented that we should cast out of our lives. It's the wheat from the chaff thing, which is in the bible and has been reiterated every time this topic has been ministered on.

Like...Paul. Errr, I mean Saul. Err, I mean, well, dang it, I forget all the different names many different people had. Some were good and came to Jesus. Some were not good and came to Jesus.

AHH who-stole-my-name said:
If you need more I can get you them.

Nah, I just don’t have my bible right here next to my computer, is all. Otherwise I would have each and every verse.

AHH who-stole-my-name said:
Just don't assume that one thing printed in the Bible means what you would like it toIf you want to claim to know me and my intentions without even the clues that this women has all around her then do so. I just hope that such a realization of what I'm talking about here doesn't happen ad you can go ahead and live your life without any of these things encountering you.

Did someone make you my master or something? With all the demands and orders you have made so far? Just curious....

AHH who-stole-my-name said:
It is good to bring people to Church but they must be there to learn about God and hopefully join the community as a fellow Christian.

Yes, however sometimes the seed must be planted. Not everyone understands this. Not everyone thinks on the same level as you or I. That’s why you plant a seed. Water it, and it will grow. Tend to it and it can become a prosperous tree.

AHH who-stole-my-name said:
But one must first have a relationship with God before going foreword with any plans to create a family. If not them what's the difference between her and the Moneychangers that Christ pushed out of the temple.

And what if you really have no idea about everything going on in her life? There is so much that could be there, you really have no idea.

AHH who-stole-my-name said:
No I am not asking a non-Christian to act like a Christian. I'm acting like she should be interested in learning more about Christianity than about who is there that might help her pay her bills and raise her kid.

Sometimes there are things going on in one’s life that takes precedence, as much as it may offend others.

AHH who-stole-my-name said:
The way I see it is that if she finds someone and then rejects Christ she might just be able to lure the person she chooses away from Christ. If she first embraces Christ and then finds someone, then the entire family will be a Christian family and that would be much better for the kid, which is what really worries me about this situation.

Or perhaps someone in need does not really know how to reach out, that really does not understand how they are presenting themselves to others, someone that is simply unknowing, and is pushed away from Jesus by those that wrongfully judge them based on opinions and suppositions...?

AHH who-stole-my-name said:
If she is bringing strange men after strange men into her home, then whose to say wither she will bring in a child molestor or someone that will beat the kid.

Exactly. We need to be so fearful of the possibilities that we must allow the worst make up our minds for us.

“AHH who-stole-my-name”, I know quite a bit more bout this than I think you can even imagine. I do not know her, never met her, etc., etc. However I know my mom went through her own hell, in a very similar way. She was a single mother, with me and my sister, on welfare, tried to hold jobs, and went to church after church, looking for Jesus. Turned away so many times. And so many of those times because she was a single mom on welfare. Arguments very similar to yours.

Turned out she had a cerebellar hemangioblastoma. A brain tumor. She nearly died because of it. And when she was in the hospital after the emergency surgery to save her life, NOT ONE DAMNED CHURCH WOULD PRAY FOR HER.
Well, maybe they prayed, but they did exactly what you talk of- they distanced themselves from her. She needed people. Instead she wass pushed away. Those damned goldbrickers like her!

End result? She’s alive after many years of rehabilitation. And she doesn’t believe in Jesus. So many people that should be thanked for ridding their blessed churches of “people like her”. The same people that I imagine would make Hitler proud.

Ultimately, no one knew. No one understood. Yet everyone judged. My concern is this young mother the OP is talking about may have her own hell she has to deal with. No one knows because...no one cares enough to find out?

AHH who-stole-my-name · Oct 13, 2015

Cactus Jack said:
And someone somewhere somehow gave the OP the job of protecting the Christian world from the evil demons like the single mother....right? Not hardly. After all, the OP did invite the mother to church. There is a lot going on that you nor I know anything about. And there is a good chance that the OP had it all wrong. She really does not know everything going on. You don’t, either.

The OP referenced an intimate knowledge of this women's dealings and dating habits, that and that would seem to me to allow her to assess this persons intentions based on her being around her. You simply dismiss the benefit of a long length of personal experience and then you condemn me and convince yourself that after 1 post you know me and have quote/unquote dealt with many people just like me and you wonder why i labeled your attitude pompous

Thank you for the insult.

And the hookers that Jesus forgave, they had no history? Everyone has a history. Including Paul.

I disagree..

Like...Paul. Errr, I mean Saul. Err, I mean, well, dang it, I forget all the different names many different people had. Some were good and came to Jesus. Some were not good and came to Jesus.

Nah, I just don’t have my bible right here next to my computer, is all. Otherwise I would have each and every verse.

Did someone make you my master or something? With all the demands and orders you have made so far? Just curious....

Yes, however sometimes the seed must be planted. Not everyone understands this. Not everyone thinks on the same level as you or I. That’s why you plant a seed. Water it, and it will grow. Tend to it and it can become a prosperous tree.

And what if you really have no idea about everything going on in her life? There is so much that could be there, you really have no idea.

Sometimes there are things going on in one’s life that takes precedence, as much as it may offend others.

Or perhaps someone in need does not really know how to reach out, that really does not understand how they are presenting themselves to others, someone that is simply unknowing, and is pushed away from Jesus by those that wrongfully judge them based on opinions and suppositions...?

Exactly. We need to be so fearful of the possibilities that we must allow the worst make up our minds for us.

“AHH who-stole-my-name”, I know quite a bit more bout this than I think you can even imagine. I do not know her, never met her, etc., etc. However I know my mom went through her own hell, in a very similar way. She was a single mother, with me and my sister, on welfare, tried to hold jobs, and went to church after church, looking for Jesus. Turned away so many times. And so many of those times because she was a single mom on welfare. Arguments very similar to yours.

Turned out she had a cerebellar hemangioblastoma. A brain tumor. She nearly died because of it. And when she was in the hospital after the emergency surgery to save her life, NOT ONE DAMNED CHURCH WOULD PRAY FOR HER.
Well, maybe they prayed, but they did exactly what you talk of- they distanced themselves from her. She needed people. Instead she wass pushed away. Those damned goldbrickers like her!

End result? She’s alive after many years of rehabilitation. And she doesn’t believe in Jesus. So many people that should be thanked for ridding their blessed churches of “people like her”. The same people that I imagine would make Hitler proud.

Ultimately, no one knew. No one understood. Yet everyone judged. My concern is this young mother the OP is talking about may have her own hell she has to deal with. No one knows because...no one cares enough to find out?

The OP referenced an intimate knowledge of this women's dealings and dating habits, that and that would seem to me to allow her to assess this persons intentions based on her being around her. You simply dismiss the benefit of a long length of personal experience and then you condemn me and convince yourself that after 1 post you know me and have quote/unquote dealt with many people just like me and you wonder why i labeled your attitude pompous

You don't need a Bible to reference the Bible. You just need a desire to look up what the truth is, a computer and a search engine. The main thing is a desire for the truth and you seem to have convinced yourself you already have it.

You also seem to have a chip on your shoulder because of what your mother went through.

That I am sorry for but that does not mean that you must look at every other persons situation as a separate and distinct occurrence. If you don't then you place yourself and possibly others in danger. You can do that all you want to yourself, but you don't have the right ignore the well being of others.

At first I thought you were just another Ideologue whose created in his own mind what Christianity and the community surrounding it is and If someone doesn't act like a person you expect to find in that fantastic little world, they are somehow wrong.

Now I know that you are just bitter and as such I will remove myself from this conversation. I can do a lot of things for people, but those that are bitter can only help themselves. I will pray for you.

blackribbon · Oct 13, 2015

Those verses are to police the Christians...those who attend regularly and claim to be Christians. God never expected the non-Christians to clean up BEFORE coming to church. He does the cleaning from the inside on His own time. We are called to bring the children to him...His lost children.

If a man can easily be deceived by a non-Christian into believing that her heart is completely given to the savior when it is not, then he isn't much of a Christian himself. We don't date to "save" someone. We should be looking for solid Christians when we are looking for mates & dates. The evidence is in their lives. I will never fell guilty for doing what God has called us to do and that is to bring the lost people to church to meet him. They don't have to have a desire for anything more than a fun event or a free meal or maybe an internal idea that "there just has to be more", God is big enough to meet them where they are at. It isn't our job to change them and clean them up first. If she is looking for a man at church, then she already recognizes that God makes a difference in people's lives and that is a major first step in meeting Him herself. Shame on the Christian man who is not strong enough in his walk to to see the difference and see that she is someone who needs shepherding and not see her as "dating" material.

JCFantasy23 · Oct 13, 2015

Let's please calm down with any flaming, even if we're not agreeing.

AHH who-stole-my-name · Oct 13, 2015

blackribbon said:
Those verses are to police the Christians...those who attend regularly and claim to be Christians. God never expected the non-Christians to clean up BEFORE coming to church. He does the cleaning from the inside on His own time. We are called to bring the children to him...His lost children.

If a man can easily be deceived by a non-Christian into believing that her heart is completely given to the savior when it is not, then he isn't much of a Christian himself. We don't date to "save" someone. We should be looking for solid Christians when we are looking for mates & dates. The evidence is in their lives. I will never fell guilty for doing what God has called us to do and that is to bring the lost people to church to meet him. They don't have to have a desire for anything more than a fun event or a free meal or maybe an internal idea that "there just has to be more", God is big enough to meet them where they are at. It isn't our job to change them and clean them up first. If she is looking for a man at church, then she already recognizes that God makes a difference in people's lives and that is a major first step in meeting Him herself. Shame on the Christian man who is not strong enough in his walk to to see the difference and see that she is someone who needs shepherding and not see her as "dating" material.

I would say that you can't really say how strong a person is in his faith. I remember a person named in the Bible that Wept bitterly after he tried to tell Jesus how strong he was and that happened only after a [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] crowed thrice.

I never said we need to date to save someone. I said you need to be aware of who you date and their intentions. Why do you think the Israelites were commanded to kill all people above a certain age when they went into theb promised land? They did so, so as to remove any chance of being lead astray.

blackribbon · Oct 13, 2015

BECAUSE they weren't Christians.... God never said chase away all the non-believers from His church.

You said "shame on the OP for bringing a non-Christian to church" because the men might be stupid enough to think it was an endorsement that she was good marriage material

AHH who-stole-my-name · Oct 13, 2015

blackribbon said:
BECAUSE they weren't Christians.... God never said chase away all the non-believers from His church.

The Israelites weren't Christian either.

And who said anything about chasing anyone away?

blackribbon · Oct 13, 2015

AHH who-stole-my-name said:
Sorry, but why would you invite someone that you knew was this way anywhere? I would by looking at myself to be angry with more than her. She's jusrt the timebomb looking to go off. You are the one who shown her places.

You owe it to those you know in church a heads up on this women, so she won't lead anyone on.

Your words...

AHH who-stole-my-name · Oct 13, 2015

blackribbon said:
Your words...

That's not chasing someone away. That's keeping out someone that you've already assumed to be false from entering into something you want to protect.

blackribbon · Oct 13, 2015

AHH who-stole-my-name said:
That's not chasing someone away. That's keeping out someone that you've already assumed to be false from entering into something you want to protect.

and where is it Christian or Biblical to keep someone who need God away from church or church activities?

AHH who-stole-my-name · Oct 13, 2015

blackribbon said:
and where is it Christian or Biblical to keep someone who need God away from church or church activities?

The OP said that she wasn't looking for God. She was looking for a relationship. She also said she invited her to a women all Bible study and heard nothing back from her.

You seem to be projecting your ideals onto her and not listening to anyone else. This is what I've been trying to get out every post that I'd made here. My original post was about informing the Christian community that she might have ulterior motives in being among them, but that was completely washed under the table.

blackribbon · Oct 13, 2015

AHH who-stole-my-name said:
The OP said that she wasn't looking for God. She was looking for a relationship. She also said she invited her to a women all Bible study and heard nothing back from her.

You seem to be projecting your ideals onto her and not listening to anyone else. This is what I've been trying to get out every post that I'd made here. My original post was about informing the Christian community that she might have ulterior motives in being among them, but that was completely washed under the table.

My point exactly. The OP is surmising why her friend seems to be attending church....but I say, who cares...she is AT church...the one place where she hopefully can learn about God. Just because she wouldn't go to an all Women's Bible study, does not mean anything without her actually announcing that she wouldn't go for that particular reason.

I am also implying that a good Christian man should be able to recognize and discern a Christian woman from a woman at church who needs to find God. It isn't the OP's responsibility to defame her friend in any way by telling others what she only suspects and doesn't know. God is big enough to reach people who may come to church for all the wrong reasons but may accidentally meet Him within His House. I say she belongs at church regardless of her motives and doesn't need to have people talking about her or her "motives" behind her back nor does the membership need to be "protected" from her. She does not belong in church leadership though.

AHH who-stole-my-name · Oct 13, 2015

blackribbon said:
My point exactly. The OP is surmising why her friend seems to be attending church....but I say, who cares...she is AT church...the one place where she hopefully can learn about God. Just because she wouldn't go to an all Women's Bible study, does not mean anything without her actually announcing that she wouldn't go for that particular reason.

I am also implying that a good Christian man should be able to recognize and discern a Christian woman from a woman at church who needs to find God. It isn't the OP's responsibility to defame her friend in any way by telling others what she only suspects and doesn't know. God is big enough to reach people who may come to church for all the wrong reasons but may accidentally meet Him within His House. I say she belongs at church regardless of her motives and doesn't need to have people talking about her or her "motives" behind her back nor does the membership need to be "protected" from her. She does not belong in church leadership though.

Dude. I am leaving this thread now in order not to act unbecoming of myself. I wish you and your's the best. Have a nice day.

Cactus Jack · Oct 17, 2015

AHH who-stole-my-name said:
The OP referenced an intimate knowledge of this women's dealings and dating habits, that and that would seem to me to allow her to assess this persons intentions based on her being around her. You simply dismiss the benefit of a long length of personal experience and then you condemn me and convince yourself that after 1 post you know me and have quote/unquote dealt with many people just like me and you wonder why i labeled your attitude pompous

Well, in such a case as you describe, the OP having all this knowledge of the personal habits of the woman, I guess she should have NOT invited her to church in the first place, then.

I was not not me that condemned you. I only know too well from 40+ years of dealing with people like you.

AHH who-stole-my-name said:
You also seem to have a chip on your shoulder because of what your mother went through.

Is it a chip on my shoulder or perhaps a soft spot in my heart for women in similar circumstances?

AHH who-stole-my-name said:
That I am sorry for but that does not mean that you must look at every other persons situation as a separate and distinct occurrence. If you don't then you place yourself and possibly others in danger. You can do that all you want to yourself, but you don't have the right ignore the well being of others.

You are making it sound as if this woman is going to go psycho on everyone. Why is that? You don’t even know her, yourself.

AHH who-stole-my-name said:
At first I thought you were just another Ideologue whose created in his own mind what Christianity and the community surrounding it is and If someone doesn't act like a person you expect to find in that fantastic little world, they are somehow wrong.

Now I know that you are just bitter and as such I will remove myself from this conversation. I can do a lot of things for people, but those that are bitter can only help themselves. I will pray for you.

Bitter? I don’t think so. Tired of people ignoring those in need of help, yes very much.

Question: Does using the Holy Bible as a foundation for arguments make immoral acts right?

Another question: Where is the OP in all of this? I havn't seen any of her posts.

malvina · Oct 18, 2015

Well I think it's always good to go to church even if you think it's to just trap a father for her children. A man wouldn't get 'trapped' unless he wanted to and it's up to him surely - and his relationship with Jesus to guide him in the matter. Being a Christian doesn't put one on a pedestal. We are all sinners and in God's eyes no one sin is any worse than the next.

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