Walmart Cutting Employee Hours To Pay For Minimum Wage Increase

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Company decides to raise their minimum wage when the law doesn't require them to.

Company decides to cut hours based upon it.

Somehow liberals fault.

Someone should call the police to report which liberals were holding a gun to the heads of the executives of Walmart that decided to enact a higher wage for their employees.
 
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I think in 2014 Walmart made something like 16.3 Billion dollars in profit

that is profit
after taxes
after paying employs
after buying product

just in profit

so yeah, they do not HAVE to cut hours

in fact, they could give every single worker a $230 bonus and still make 3 billion dollars in profits
 
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I think in 2014 Walmart made something like 16.3 Billion dollars in profit

that is profit
after taxes
after paying employs
after buying product

just in profit

so yeah, they do not HAVE to cut hours

in fact, they could give every single worker a $230 bonus and still make 3 billion dollars in profits

This. It's not that they can't pay for it; they just don't want to.
 
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If I were a low income worker earning $290 per week on 40 hours--$7.25 per hour--I would prefer working 32 hours for $9 an hour. Wouldn't you?

It's not ideal but I could spend more timewith family, going to sschool to better my prospects, etc
 
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If you don't like the wages, don't work at Walmart. How simple is that? Minimum wages are properly set by the market, not government fiat. If the average minimum wage is $7 and you want above average workers, then you have to pay more. If you want below average workers you pay less. If nobody will work for you for the wages you offer, you have to offer more enticing wages. That's how the free enterprise system works. In times past if you had good part-time workers you would move them to full-time positions. However, with the socialist policies enacted by this administration and the liberals in America it becomes increasingly difficult for companies to hire full time workers. This is exactly what the leftists want; a permanent underclass of voters dependent on the government. Full time workers would earn a better living and should continue to get raises as their value and tenure with the company increases. This might make them less dependent on the government and more aware of the oppressive taxes they are paying. While beneficial for American families, this would be counter-productive for the leftists.

Remember when you could have someone fill up your car, clean your windshield and check your oil? Those service station jobs are gone; lost to the lower prices of self-serve stations and the cost to small businesses of employing those workers. Increase minimum wages, decrease jobs. It is as predictable as darkness following daylight. Become a more valuable employee and businesses will pay more to keep you. That may not work as well in large retail outlets, but it works pretty well in most of America.
 
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BTW, labor unions used to give workers the power to negotiate. Wages and benefits rose, and since a rising tide raises all ships, even non-union workers benefited.

What you are proposing (laissez-faire capitalism) is what kept workers underpaid and oppressed throughout history.

The reason why no one is pumping your gas, cleaning your windshield, etc. is that companies need to keep prices low--because their policies have destroyed the middle class and few can afford their products. Their greed is biting them in the behind.

When will they work up and realize that a strong middle class helps their growth and their bottom line more than outsourcing and tax credits ever did?
 
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BTW, labor unions used to give workers the power to negotiate. Wages and benefits rose, and since a rising tide raises all ships, even non-union workers benefited.
Yep. They used to.
Now they've sold out their members for a seat at the table with the leftists. Now they support politicians who create excessive regulation that closes plants in America and sends those jobs overseas. Now the large unions are nothing more than money laundering fronts for the Democratic party. The unions have sold out their members. In some cases where taking wage concessions could keep plants open, the union bosses protected their egos by refusing to bargain. As a result the workers lost their jobs but the union bosses did not.

Big unions are no different than career politicians. They started out good, but they got caught up in the money and power and now they are nothing more that well dressed prostitutes working the street corners for the DNC.

A strong middle class comes from companies growing, not shrinking. Everything the leftists are doing hurts the middle class, and that IS their intent. Financially independent people do not vote themselves larger welfare checks. What the DNC has done to the middle class is nothing less than treason. You can blame business all you want, but business wants to grow and you can't grow without good workers who will, in turn, enrich themselves more. You can't write 85 pages per day in new regulation and expect business to grow.
 
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BTW, Wal-Mart gives its employees a little bit of stock in their company. So does Tyson.

Of course they rarely have the chance to put the stock away and let it appreciate (with the Dow futures down 426 points today, maybe they have the right idea :( ) They usually need to cash it in immediately to pay their bills since they are underpaid.
 
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I do not shop at Walmart
I know how they treat workers
and it is not a company I want to be associated with

they pay their workers bellow a living wage and then they have HR set their workers up with how to get foodstamps and section 8 housing
so when you see walmart has "low low prices"
remember, the tax payer is making up for the deficiency to the wages that the workers get
 
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BTW, Wal-Mart gives its employees a little bit of stock in their company. So does Tyson.
Most Americans now own stocks, either through a 401K or similar plan, or through annuity investments or through direct purchase.
 
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I do not shop at Walmart
I know how they treat workers
and it is not a company I want to be associated with

they pay their workers bellow a living wage and then they have HR set their workers up with how to get food stamps and section 8 housing
I thought "affordable housing" and help for starving families were things you supported?
I think it's good that they offer that service. Those programs are hard to understand for many. Ever wonder how many of those workers would be on the streets if Walmart didn't offer entry level jobs for those with no skills and no work history?
If your uncle just got out of prison, isn't he better off with a job and a place to live than roaming the streets with no hope of a better future?
What if an entry level worker actually took advantage of the opportunities, went to a trade school, picked up some skills, and took the work ethic the had acquired and their work history and used it to get a better paying job? What if they started out stocking shelves and ended up building houses? Entry level jobs are a just that; a starting place, not a career path.

The beauty of the American marketplace is that you can take your business anywhere you want for any reason you want. It's one of the freedoms we still enjoy... for now.
 
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my point is KW
walmart makes more profit by having the tax payers pay for part of their workers income (through food stamps and section 8)

I am all for helping people who really need it
but if you are working full time, you should have to be on government assistance

I think the USA needs major welfare reform
both the social safety net welfare and corporate welfare

you talked about having the market set the wages
do you see how the Government subsidizing walmart employees offsets the market in this?
bottom line, walmart needs lots of workers, if they were forced to pay a living wage, they might loose some jobs
that is just something we need to understand
but it would also help thousands of nonskilled workers get off government assistance
 
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If you don't like the wages, don't work at Walmart. How simple is that? Minimum wages are properly set by the market, not government fiat. If the average minimum wage is $7 and you want above average workers, then you have to pay more. If you want below average workers you pay less. If nobody will work for you for the wages you offer, you have to offer more enticing wages. That's how the free enterprise system works. In times past if you had good part-time workers you would move them to full-time positions. However, with the socialist policies enacted by this administration and the liberals in America it becomes increasingly difficult for companies to hire full time workers. This is exactly what the leftists want; a permanent underclass of voters dependent on the government. Full time workers would earn a better living and should continue to get raises as their value and tenure with the company increases. This might make them less dependent on the government and more aware of the oppressive taxes they are paying. While beneficial for American families, this would be counter-productive for the leftists.

Remember when you could have someone fill up your car, clean your windshield and check your oil? Those service station jobs are gone; lost to the lower prices of self-serve stations and the cost to small businesses of employing those workers. Increase minimum wages, decrease jobs. It is as predictable as darkness following daylight. Become a more valuable employee and businesses will pay more to keep you. That may not work as well in large retail outlets, but it works pretty well in most of America.
What government fiat made Walmart raise wages company-wide to $9.00/hr?
 
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my point is KW
walmart makes more profit by having the tax payers pay for part of their workers income (through food stamps and section 8)
No, they can't hire those people full time because of the costs involved, so they hire more part time workers. The costs of unemployment, workman's comp insurance, health insurance and all the other associated costs can be staggering. It's more cost effective to hire more people part time. Want to change thing? Reduce the burden on employers so they can afford more full time workers. Beyond that, it's up to the labor force to refuse to work part time. Ultimately, market pressures determine business practices.
I think the USA needs major welfare reform
both the social safety net welfare and corporate welfare
Agreed. We have the highest corporate taxes in the world and we have to compete in a global market.
We have people on welfare earning an equivalent of $30K per year.
What incentive is there to find work when you live just fine without it?

do you see how the Government subsidizing walmart employees offsets the market in this?
Why limit it to Walmart? You paying the boy who cuts your lawn amounts to the same thing; using part time labor to fill a short term position.
bottom line, walmart needs lots of workers, if they were forced to pay a living wage, they might loose some jobs
that is just something we need to understand.
What's a living wage? Increasing the minimum wage increases the cost of everything, so with every wage hike you only get further behind. What if you spent 5 years working up to $9 per hour and now walk-ons get as much as you?
 
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I started working at Wally-World 2 years ago,part time at $7.25 an hour after being unemployed for 7 years.Was I happy with my wages?You can bet your bottom dollar I was!
1 year ago I went full time working between 36 and 40 hours a week,now making $9.90 an hour with a significant raise in the foreseeable future.
We have slackers on the payroll,THOSE are the main ones getting their hours cut,and the hard workers getting more hours to cover those hours lost by the riff raff.
A person's work ethic is a driving force behind how much their paycheck is.
When I hear a fellow associate moaning about their hours getting cut,I observe their work ethics without cutting into my productivity,and 9 times out of 10 they are doing as little as possible to keep their jobs..not much more.
 
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BTW, Wal-Mart gives its employees a little bit of stock in their company. So does Tyson.

Of course they rarely have the chance to put the stock away and let it appreciate (with the Dow futures down 426 points today, maybe they have the right idea :( ) They usually need to cash it in immediately to pay their bills since they are underpaid.


How is it that you claim to know so much about what Walmart workers do or don't do? I had a friend who worked in Walmart, who was in my church, and he was very loyal to them and was quite happy there. How many do you know? And if they indeed hate it so much, why are they still there?
 
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