My Million Dollar Question

Finding something non-scientific yet irrefutable seems like a contradictory statement when Science has become the primary religion of the day--even for many who claim to follow some form of spiritual faith.

To really dig into your question I would have to consider if what you are really asking is:

1. What if we discovered that the process of creation does not match what happened in Genesis. (Which for some is already up for debate)

or

2. What if we reached irrefutable proof that creation, God, etc. absolutely, without question, did not exist?

In which case I would agree with "Eat, drink, and be merry--for tomorrow you die." Religion of any nature cannot thrive without faith, which means that even if what was discovered was a different God then that presented in the Bible it would be too late.

This kind of scenario ultimately presents a pandora's box which, once opened, would never be able to be resealed. And trust me, there would be a whole lot of chaos on earth as people realized what had actually been lost (because in contrast to Pandora's box, hope would not remain.).

I've never understood the logic of hoping for planet wide doom to excuse oneself from spirituality, rather than searching for deeper meaning that can enrich one's own life.

Fortunately, I don't have to worry about this kind of "what if" question because I have found my truth and made peace with it. I hope that with time you will succeed in that venture as well. God bless.

Goat Guy said:

I imagine a Christian following that still clings to their beliefs.

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Oh, I see, you think that people can believe in something that their mind rejects, right?

Christus Discipulus said:

Oh, I see, you think that people can believe in something that their mind rejects, right?

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True belief requires that the object of the belief is at least plausible. If they were not convinced of the plausibility, they would no longer be actually believing.

If I know that God does not exist, then there is no way that I could believe that He does exist. I could say that I believe it, but I would not be actually believing. There are people that do this everyday.

Christus Discipulus said:

If I know that God does not exist, then there is no way that I could believe that He does exist. I could say that I believe it, but I would not be actually believing. There are people that do this everyday.

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Yes, precisely this. It would be like when my 5 year old niece asks me to write letters to Santa Claus with her. I once believed, I learned the truth, I can no longer return to that belief. (Like I was saying about Pandora's box). But in the example chosen, I certainly wouldn't be the one to change her perception!

Goat Guy said:

This image is challenging and parts of it are not comprehensible at this point in history. Those that want to contribute to this thread should understand this going into it and try their best to follow me (even though it might sound crazy!).

Image: An event takes place that causes humanity to successfully explain how we came into existence, and it does not involve the Christian God. There is 100% undeniable scientific evidence that we exist in some other way (aliens coming to Earth and creating us, scientific discovery, some other incomprehendable event, etc.). What is the Christian Church's response?

I've wrestled with this thought for years. If any aspect of this image needs to be explained further, I'd be happy to do my best.

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Science isn't in the business of providing undeniable proof.

Goat Guy said:

This image is challenging and parts of it are not comprehensible at this point in history. Those that want to contribute to this thread should understand this going into it and try their best to follow me (even though it might sound crazy!).

Image: An event takes place that causes humanity to successfully explain how we came into existence, and it does not involve the Christian God. There is 100% undeniable scientific evidence that we exist in some other way (aliens coming to Earth and creating us, scientific discovery, some other incomprehendable event, etc.). What is the Christian Church's response?

I've wrestled with this thought for years. If any aspect of this image needs to be explained further, I'd be happy to do my best.

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Hi,
You have proposed a what if scenario, a hypothetical situation, with an easy answere. The Christian church, would admit their error, and use the new information.
LOVE,
...Mary., .... .

Soyeong said:

Science isn't in the business of providing undeniable proof.

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Hi,
Yes we are in the business of providing the highest level of undeniable proof that exists, otherwise we say nothing, normally.
LOVE,
...Mary., .... .

Hi,
I used Science, to prove the Bible is Real, for your information. Since that book, that was proven to be Real, talks about God, then God is Real.
Just, something for you to think about.
LOVE,
...Mary., .... .

katerinah1947 said:

Hi,
Yes we are in the business of providing the highest level of undeniable proof that exists, otherwise we say nothing, normally.
LOVE,
...Mary., .... .

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For instance, has science provided undeniable proof that the world is round? There are still people who deny that it is round, therefore science has not provided undeniable proof of that. It's easy to deny something, you can do it if you try.

You are saying that there would be undeniable proof of no God----I would still cling to my God and my bible---why??---Because you all have gotten things "scientifically" wrong before and I would choose to wait until further time has elapsed by then new equipment and findings would turn all your theories to dust and prove you were all wrong. Good, grief--they used to say no such thing as the Hitites and the other "ites" that were written about in the bible, no such thing as this or that until they discovered it. Impossible that God created light before He created the sun--proof there is no God and the bible is wrong---fine--except enough time passed and different equipment came along and guess what---now they talk about light--not sunlight, but light--because there is the invisible light that they finally discovered. Besides---it is still the best way to live--love your neighbor, and no stealing and all the rest---I'd just have to try and avoid people all together as they have abandoned all hope of any meaning in life and are running amuck living like there is no God, and depression would pretty much overwhelm the world thinking all there ever will be is this, most often, miserable existence, (which many are doing now anyway). Nope, I think there will be many of us who will still keep faith.

Goat Guy said:

This image is challenging and parts of it are not comprehensible at this point in history. Those that want to contribute to this thread should understand this going into it and try their best to follow me (even though it might sound crazy!).

Image: An event takes place that causes humanity to successfully explain how we came into existence, and it does not involve the Christian God. There is 100% undeniable scientific evidence that we exist in some other way (aliens coming to Earth and creating us, scientific discovery, some other incomprehendable event, etc.). What is the Christian Church's response?

I've wrestled with this thought for years. If any aspect of this image needs to be explained further, I'd be happy to do my best.

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It would only challenge the Genesis account of creation, which is information of questionable origin anyway. Nobody has been able to tell me who authored the Genesis creation account, and why it should be read as an actual authority on origins. The rest of Christianity, as the truth about God according to reliable experiences (Moses, Jesus etc), would not be affected.

There are very theologically liberal Christians that would likely be unaffected, as I'm willing to guess some already question or don't believe in a literal God. I.e they already question or don't believe in certain aspects of Christianity. I wouldn't apply this to the average liberal Christian, however.

I think predicting conservative or fundamentalist responses is more difficult. I would guess some would choose denial & continue in their beliefs - or worse, become radicalized. Others might turn away. Others might go the very liberal route & continue to value some Christian tenets even without belief in a literal God.

I didn't read the OP as asking for views on the Genesis creation accounts. Most mainline Protestants & Roman Catholics would agree that the stories are myths meant to communicate theological truths rather than scientific information.

(oops, I misread, therefore not relevant).

I think it's a waste of time to have this, allow me to say it, stupid thoughts. That will never happen, humans never have enough evidence of anything, I have even met people that claim to have evidence that neither I exist and neither you exist but it's all a fantasy. Just vague divagations of the human mind that got away from its purpose, redemption of the soul, so stop wasting your time on these kind of useless things and focus on the Cross.

Soyeong said:

For instance, has science provided undeniable proof that the world is round? There are still people who deny that it is round, therefore science has not provided undeniable proof of that. It's easy to deny something, you can do it if you try.

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Hi,
There will always be some people who have characteristics that make no sense to the uneducated. In general all people make sense, if one takes the time and learns why they do what they do. Thus to know all is to forgive almost all. That is not the way that was originally worded along with, hopefully, on experiment is worth a thousand expert opininions. Rather it was worded this way, and it is not a Biblical phrase, thus it lacks the Absolute accuracy of Biblical phrases that are properly understood. It is worded this way. To Know All Is To Forgive All.
Science is Bilbical. God Commanded all of us to do science, in Genesis. All Blessings by God are also a Command of God. The Blessing to subdue the earth in Genesis 1:28, is that Command by God to do Science.
And I can make anyone into a scientist, without their knowing it, thus being afraid of it, out of newness. Thus, Biblically, I can enforce God's Command to me and you, without one becoming afraid.
You are now afraid, if you are against Science. You are that because I have told you of Science and what I can do, which is make you a scientist of sorts, without your knowledge, or at least make you more scientific. Please try and remember Genesis 1:28.
All it takes is exposure. One learns a language by exposure to the language. One learns Science the same way.
You said somehow that one can deny. It is easy to do if you try. Yes, I can take one on a trip around the world, and afterwards if they try they can deny it, according to you. However, if what they have been shown is denied by them, is it still deniable in the sense you meant? Does you or I denying anything, do anything to someone else? Does someone denying the air they breath is there, change anything in the practical world, in the world of science?
Part of Science is exposure, to things that are real. One learns by that exposure.
LOVE,
...Mary., .... .