why do you think natural selection has filled the world with religious people?

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There's an evolutionary advantage in unifying the group that could be categorized as your family while encouraging to harm other groups. Sometimes religion in a nutshell I'm afraid.

Anyways, it's actually so powerful that there's even a mathematical structure that would promote self sacrifice (at a huge cost of the individual) as long as either its own group benefits or that the opponents suffer.

The problem with that attempted explanation of altruism is that it doesn't correspond to what can be observed. Altruistic behaviour is not always towards our own group, and it tends to attract our greatest admiration when it isn't.
 
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why do you think evolution and natural selection has filled the world with religious people?

It's a side effect. It's not so much about "religion" though, as it is about "superstition".

Superstition is found in plenty of animals. Even in pigeons.

Plenty of factors contribute to being superstitious. The most comprehensive one, imo, is the infamous "false positive".

Consider being somewhere in a natural environment.
Suddenly, you hear a noise in the bushes. Is it the wind? Or is it a dangerous predator?

The one who considers it to be a predator, runs away (= the false positive) and lives.
The one who considers it to be just the wind, stays put - or even goes to the bush to check it out. If there is indeed a predator there, the person will get killed.

So, those who simply assume their first idea to be correct without evidence, have bigger chance of survival.

Ie: being superstitious in the wild, can save your life (kind of like "better safe then sorry").

There's many other factors though.... like seeing patterns where there aren't any (which is also kind of a false positive).

So, to conclude, being "religious" is not a product of evolution. It rather is a by-product.
 
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so the Ark was a SpaceShip ?

No, since it was not sealed from the vacuum of space HOWEVER Adam's world was made Billions of years BEFORE our Earth formed some 9 Billion years AFTER the Big Bang. This means that at some time in the past, Adam's firmament, containing Adam's Earth, was brought to our planet and placed in Lake Van, Turkey, where it sank releasing the Ark into our world/biosphere/universe/heaven etc. Amen?
 
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No, since it was not sealed from the vacuum of space HOWEVER Adam's world was made Billions of years BEFORE our Earth formed some 9 Billion years AFTER the Big Bang. This means that at some time in the past, Adam's firmament, containing Adam's Earth, was brought to our planet and placed in Lake Van, Turkey, where it sank releasing the Ark into our world/biosphere/universe/heaven etc. Amen?

Question: Did God originally plan for all of humanity to live in a lake-sized biosphere, or did he plan to obliterate it all along?
 
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Question: Did God originally plan for all of humanity to live in a lake-sized biosphere, or did he plan to obliterate it all along?

God knows the future so He knew HOW Humankind would have to be made. First, they would live in an Incubator of sorts, on an Earth which He knew would have to be totally destroyed in a Flood because of the Violence of Humans. Gen 6:13 He also knew that the present Cosmos must also be burned until the elements melt with fervent heat, because of the SAME Violence of Humans. 2Pe 3:10

In the end, Christians will KNOW why it had to be the way it was because it's the ONLY way to have a perfect Heaven, filled with perfect Humans, who will never die. Amen?
 
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The problem with that attempted explanation of altruism is that it doesn't correspond to what can be observed. Altruistic behaviour is not always towards our own group, and it tends to attract our greatest admiration when it isn't.

But generally altruistic behavior drives us towards activities that benefit our tribe and our species in the long run.

Therefore, it can be selected for, over a long time.
 
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It is the desire of each of us, no matter how primitive, to one day look at ourselves and wonder how we came to exist, how did the world come into existence. To look up into the sky and wonder how everything up there got there. We will always ask. And to ask each other what they think is the answer. Every group then decides certain answers to those questions are the real answers and raises all their children to have those same answers. We all like to be with those who believe as we do and gravitate to being together. It is exposure to other groups, or individuals who have a different answer where than those ideas start to change. But the looking around, seeing ourselves, each other, the world and everything in it and the heavens, we each have to ask where did we come from and why are we here? Religion gives the answer to an inner need. How can one look at ourselves and everything, in it's tremendous complexity and intricate clockwork like co-existence that makes everyone know there is something that not only did this, but keeps it going. Strip anyone of all preconceived ideas, grow them up in a sterile environment where these things are not mentioned at all and still, the questions will be asked and some answer searched for and latched on to. Nothing will keep the questions and need for an answer out. For the atheist, he will always only have a partial answer in that there can never be a why. And the only way to shut that voice up is to say there is no why. But it is that inner need that is the real question----why does each one of us have it at all? Where does that need spring from? There again, those with religion have an answer, their God put it there---the atheist, can not answer it.
 
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why do you think evolution and natural selection has filled the world with religious people?
Our more intelligent ancestors were more successful than our less intelligent ancestors. They were better at avoiding hazards, and making things like tools. So they lived for longer, and had more children. Over millions of years of rinse and repeat, our ancestors became more and more clever, until we get to where we are today: homo sapiens ('man who knows').

With our intelligence comes an understanding of our fate. We see other people dying, and we understand that the same will happen to each of us. We grasp our mortality.

Our intelligent minds are complex, full of memories and emotions; love, hopes, dreams. It can be difficult to accept that this complexity is nothing more than an extremely intricate and complicated set of electrical and chemical signals, but the more we learn about the human mind, the more clear it becomes that this is the case. So it can be hard for us to accept that when our brain is starved of oxygen at our death, and these chemical and electrical signals stop firing, all of those memories and emotions simply cease to exist.

This is why all religions offer life after death. Whether it's reincarnation or an eternity in a blissful afterlife. They offer the pretence of immortality.

In simple terms, religions exist for people who cannot or will not accept that they are going to die, and would prefer to pretend that they will live for ever. Unsurprisingly there are a lot of such people.

Sigmund Freud dealt with this exact question in his seminal work "The Future of an Illusion":
Freud said:
Religion is a system of wishful illusions together with a disavowal of reality, such as we find nowhere else but in a state of blissful hallucinatory confusion.
 
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It is the desire of each of us, no matter how primitive, to one day look at ourselves and wonder how we came to exist, how did the world come into existence. To look up into the sky and wonder how everything up there got there. We will always ask. And to ask each other what they think is the answer. Every group then decides certain answers to those questions are the real answers and raises all their children to have those same answers. We all like to be with those who believe as we do and gravitate to being together. It is exposure to other groups, or individuals who have a different answer where than those ideas start to change. But the looking around, seeing ourselves, each other, the world and everything in it and the heavens, we each have to ask where did we come from and why are we here? Religion gives the answer to an inner need. How can one look at ourselves and everything, in it's tremendous complexity and intricate clockwork like co-existence that makes everyone know there is something that not only did this, but keeps it going. Strip anyone of all preconceived ideas, grow them up in a sterile environment where these things are not mentioned at all and still, the questions will be asked and some answer searched for and latched on to. Nothing will keep the questions and need for an answer out. For the atheist, he will always only have a partial answer in that there can never be a why. And the only way to shut that voice up is to say there is no why. But it is that inner need that is the real question----why does each one of us have it at all? Where does that need spring from? There again, those with religion have an answer, their God put it there---the atheist, can not answer it.

I don't understand why having a bunch of different answers, none of which can be verified, is better than just saying you don't know the answer. I mean, yeah, raise someone in that sterile environment you mentioned and they very likely will come up with some answers. But it will be different than any of the answers we currently have. The fact that people come up with answers does not mean their is an answer, and the fact that people seek out an answer does not make the answer they find true.
 
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I don't understand why having a bunch of different answers, none of which can be verified, is better than just saying you don't know the answer.

Because many people value security over truth.
 
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I don't understand why having a bunch of different answers, none of which can be verified, is better than just saying you don't know the answer. I mean, yeah, raise someone in that sterile environment you mentioned and they very likely will come up with some answers. But it will be different than any of the answers we currently have. The fact that people come up with answers does not mean their is an answer, and the fact that people seek out an answer does not make the answer they find true.

The real question is----why do we even have the questions?? The answers are not the issue--the issue is why do we have the questions? And no matter what---everyone has those questions, why?
 
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Because many people value security over truth.

And historically those of faith were the ones most apt to kill others who disagreed, be it no faith or a different faith.

Some of the wiser Christians dislike this and similar, if lessor things that go on today as it causes many to profess faith for convenience or safety.
 
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The real question is----why do we even have the questions?? The answers are not the issue--the issue is why do we have the questions? And no matter what---everyone has those questions, why?

Because we are curious? I dunno. Why do we even have the questions? What is your answer?
 
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Religious people live longer. They tend not to smoke or drink or live high risk life styles. Religious people tend to live a more celibate lifes avoiding a high death rate from Aids and other sexually transmitted diseases. Because they live longer this would give them a selective advantage.
Tell that to the swathes of religious people in Africa, Asia and Latin America.
 
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And historically those of faith were the ones most apt to kill others who disagreed, be it no faith or a different faith.

But of course -- eliminating the threats to their sense of security.
 
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The real question is----why do we even have the questions?? The answers are not the issue--the issue is why do we have the questions? And no matter what---everyone has those questions, why?

Why wouldn't people who have the ability to think have questions? Wouldn't it be odd if they didn't?
 
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But generally altruistic behavior drives us towards activities that benefit our tribe and our species in the long run.

Therefore, it can be selected for, over a long time.
How can something that benefits "our tribe" and "our species" in the "Long Run" be selected for?
 
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How can something that benefits "our tribe" and "our species" in the "Long Run" be selected for?

Read The selfish gene.

Let's say I take a risk that might get me killed, let's say a 10% chance to prevent the sure death of my brother. Let's also say I take that chance because of an 'I care about my brother gene'. My brother has a 50% chance of having that gene. My risk increases the chances of that gene being passed on to the next generation. The trait gets selected for.

There is even more selection when it comes to sharing food and helping each other as that gets paid back in kind. In some extreme examples a pack stays safe because all members will protect each other. Let's say dogs vrs bear or puma. One dog will lose every time, but a pack that works as one will win over 90% of the time. Oh an individual in the pack may die in the fight. But if instead none of the pack came to help the first attacked they would be each be perfectly safe that day. But a week or a month later another would die and soon all would be dead. Selected for quite soon and strongly.
 
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Read The selfish gene.

Let's say I take a risk that might get me killed, let's say a 10% chance to prevent the sure death of my brother. Let's also say I take that chance because of an 'I care about my brother gene'. My brother has a 50% chance of having that gene. My risk increases the chances of that gene being passed on to the next generation. The trait gets selected for.

There is even more selection when it comes to sharing food and helping each other as that gets paid back in kind. In some extreme examples a pack stays safe because all members will protect each other. Let's say dogs vrs bear or puma. One dog will lose every time, but a pack that works as one will win over 90% of the time. Oh an individual in the pack may die in the fight. But if instead none of the pack came to help the first attacked they would be each be perfectly safe that day. But a week or a month later another would die and soon all would be dead. Selected for quite soon and strongly.
I said how would natural selection select for the long run. I know how it would be advantageous down the line but selection doesn't look to the future. If someone gives their lives and their genes for another's tribe those genes will be selected because yours perished and their maybe the weaker of the two are selected for.
 
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