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Yes it is a sin to steal. Does that mean we are submitting to the commandments? No. Why? The Ten Commandments did not create sin. Sin was before the law and the law came because of transgression (sin) which could not have been against the law that did not exist. Besides the law was only in place till the promise came. So not stealing is no confession of obligation to the law.
Who gave the law? GOD! How long did God exist? From eternity! How often does God change? Never! The same today as was yesterday and will be tomorrow. It is therefore plain that if God sanctions thou shall not steal today it was yesterday and will be tomorrow.
What you here propose is that at the time of Adam to Moses there was no command to serve God only. So that it was OK to serve another god, but that it was a sin. How does that work?
 
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really then are food laws on our hearts? too? Where odes it say just SOME laws are written, where?

is is sin to eat pork, crab, lobster, shrimp, catfish?

how can a mortal just pick what laws are written?

your theology is flawed.
The food laws are not written in the ten commandments. God wrote the ten commandments with His own hand. There are not on the same level as the food laws. God demomtrated that. Is God on the same level as Moses?
 
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The very idea that Jesus and the apostles would tell anyone that it is now okay to worship other gods, or to make idols and worship them, or to blaspheme the name of God, or to do any of the things the ten commandments forbid is ludicrous. Paul would be shocked at such an idea...
 
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The very idea that Jesus and the apostles would tell anyone that it is now okay to worship other gods, or to make idols and worship them, or to blaspheme the name of God, or to do any of the things the ten commandments forbid is ludicrous. Paul would be shocked at such an idea...

And, do you suppose that Paul would be horrified at the idea that a majority of professing Christian men are uncircumcised?
 
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really then are food laws on our hearts? too? Where odes it say just SOME laws are written, where?

is is sin to eat pork, crab, lobster, shrimp, catfish?

how can a mortal just pick what laws are written?

your theology is flawed.

And you fail to understand that the Creator, who created you and other beings knows the best thing to sustain your body. To keep you fit, in tip top shape because he loves us and wants the best for us. To think you know better than your Creator in what to put into the body He created is putting yourself above G-d, it is prideful and more.Think about who else did that and what his end will be.
 
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Why?
I don't eat pork, crab, lobster, shrimp, or catfish...I don't like shellfish, and I'm not too fond of pork, either. Have you ever seen what those things eat? Major ick.
But that's beside the point.
We both know that those laws were given to the Jews...although in reality, except for the food laws, I'll bet you keep the most fundamental of those laws without even realizing it. You bathe regularly, don't you? You keep your clothes and your house clean? I'll bet you even bury your waste...you do flush the toilet, and wash your hands after you eliminate, yes? These are fundamental laws, aren't they?

But we are straying from the point.
Those ten commandments cannot be abolished. As I pointed out, and you have failed to deny, you keep all but the fourth one, yourself, and you expect other Christians to keep them, too. Of course, you do...the last six of them are so basic that they are a part of all human law. And no Christian would ever dare to say that he doesn't keep the first three.

Once you realize that all the rigamarole attached to the Sabbath doesn't apply any more, it's just a day off, fapeetsakes...you might feel better about it.

I told you a long time ago...I'm not an SDA...I find them just a bit annoying, actually. Nor am I any other brand of "Sabbatarian". Just a gal who appreciates the gift of a day of rest...
this is about law, not if you like said foods or not, please, lets get with the program!
 
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Put to death is not in the Ten commandments.
but being put to death for breaking thenm is as I posted, Numbers 15 stoned for gathering sticks, please stop making posts where there is an obvious answer. It is redundant and repetitive!

Heb 2:2 For since the message declared by angels proved to be reliable, and every transgression or disobedience received a just retribution,



Heb 10:28 Anyone who has set aside the law of Moses dies without mercy on the evidence of two or three witnesses.
 
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The food laws are not written in the ten commandments. God wrote the ten commandments with His own hand. There are not on the same level as the food laws. God demomtrated that. Is God on the same level as Moses?
please how many times must I post that the law was one legal code? you uphold food laws, but not feasts, so long ad you do that there is a word for that kind of theology,
 
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And you fail to understand that the Creator, who created you and other beings knows the best thing to sustain your body. To keep you fit, in tip top shape because he loves us and wants the best for us. To think you know better than your Creator in what to put into the body He created is putting yourself above G-d, it is prideful and more.Think about who else did that and what his end will be.
lobster is good for u!
 
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Paul also says this:


Romans 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

Romans 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man.

Romans 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

Romans 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Did Paul serve the law of God?
Uh...yes, he did.
Tell us again, Paul...some of us seem to have missed
it.

"with the mind I myself serve the law of God"

hehehehehe
That IS the way it was under the Law. Continue reading... we aren't left in that dismal state thank God. Not us who are DELIVERED from that law consciousness. You just aren't reading far enough. The ANSWER to that life of being "wretched", the NEXT STEP in being DELIEVERED from that "law of God", is in Romans 8 following. You will notice it is QUITE different from that "wretched" state of Romans 7 Paul describes of a man UNDER THE O.T. LAW OF GOD. Here's the solution;


(Rom 8:1) There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.


(Rom 8:2) For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.


(Rom 8:3) For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:


(Rom 8:4) That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.


(Rom 8:5) For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.


(Rom 8:6) For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.


(Rom 8:7) Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.


(Rom 8:8) So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.


(Rom 8:9) But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.


(Rom 8:10) And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.


(Rom 8:11) But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.


(Rom 8:12) Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.


(Rom 8:13) For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.


(Rom 8:14) For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.


(Rom 8:15) For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.


(Rom 8:16) The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:


(Rom 8:17) And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.


(Rom 8:18) For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.


(Rom 8:19) For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.


(Rom 8:20) For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,


(Rom 8:21) Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.


(Rom 8:22) For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.


(Rom 8:23) And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.


(Rom 8:24) For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?


(Rom 8:25) But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.

(Rom 8:26) Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.


(Rom 8:27) And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.


(Rom 8:28) And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.


(Rom 8:29) For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.


(Rom 8:30) Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.


(Rom 8:31) What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?


(Rom 8:32) He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?


(Rom 8:33) Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.


(Rom 8:34) Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.


(Rom 8:35) Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?


(Rom 8:36) As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.


(Rom 8:37) Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.


(Rom 8:38) For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,


(Rom 8:39) Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.


Quite a bit different than being in that "wretched" state under Law of chapter 7, huh. Thank you Jesus for delivering us from that wretched state of being under the law, thank you for abolishing it! Amen
 
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but being put to death for breaking thenm is as I posted, Numbers 15 stoned for gathering sticks, please stop making posts where there is an obvious answer. It is redundant and repetitive!

Heb 2:2 For since the message declared by angels proved to be reliable, and every transgression or disobedience received a just retribution,



Heb 10:28 Anyone who has set aside the law of Moses dies without mercy on the evidence of two or three witnesses.
We do not stone people to death now do we? But know for sure that all who violate the ten commandments would be put to death by God Himself. So What do you say now!
 
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lobster is good for u!
Yeah! with a side of spam.

Lobster- The Cockroach of the sea -formally the food of the poor, migrants, servants and cats until someone did a smash up PR propaganda job on it with unsuspecting people who had never seen one.
 
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And, do you suppose that Paul would be horrified at the idea that a majority of professing Christian men are uncircumcised?
First off, all of the men in my own family were circumcised. I don't know of any Christian men who are not...of course, I don't know what other men might be hiding under their trousers, and I'm not the one to go and ask them.
Secondly, I don't think getting circumcised has anything to do with the ten commandments, which is all the law I am talking about.
And thirdly, that is what the debate between Paul and Peter was over and what was settled at the Council in Jerusalem.

I thought everyone knew that?
 
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please how many times must I post that the law was one legal code? you uphold food laws, but not feasts, so long ad you do that there is a word for that kind of theology,

You may be getting me and Elder mixed up. I believe Elder said that the food laws were not part of the ten commandments.

I'm the one who said that I keep them in my own private life, finding in them a healthier way of eating, however, I also said that it is a personal preference and no longer binding.

As I recall, I'm the one who challenged you...you do keep a great many of the old laws, whether you intend to or not. You keep your body, and your house, and your clothing clean, I'll bet, but you probably never thought about what a challenge these things might have been in a time before there was electricity or indoor plumbing...and speaking of indoor plumbing, I'll bet you remember to flush...and wash your hands. All of these were included in the law...we have made it so easy in our time that we hardly think about it.
Eww, and if you knew what we gals still have to endure every 28 days! Seriously, hiding myself up in my room during that time might be a relief for everyone concerned...and especially me! As for the cleanliness issue...well, if you haven't figured that one out by now, I'm not the one to explain it to you.
Nor would it hurt us to learn a bit about Jewish feasts...when they were held and what was their significance...we'd have a deeper understanding of our own faith and it's origins if we did. Like it or not, Christianity has it's roots deep in Judaism. To truly know what Jesus was really all about, you have to know Him as a Jewish Man as well as the Jewish Immanuel...
 
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Yeah! with a side of spam.

Lobster- The Cockroach of the sea -formally the food of the poor, migrants, servants and cats until someone did a smash up PR propaganda job on it with unsuspecting people who had never seen one.
AMEN!
And do you know what happens when a live lobster is tossed into boiling water to be cooked? A rather brutal thing to do, btw...not very kind to the little bug...
If you guessed that he poops in the water he's being cooked in, you get a big A+!
Wanna go get some expensive lobster???
 
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AMEN!
And do you know what happens when a live lobster is tossed into boiling water to be cooked? A rather brutal thing to do, btw...not very kind to the little bug...
If you guessed that he poops in the water he's being cooked in, you get a big A+!
Wanna go get some expensive lobster???
No Thanks, give mine to Froggie. :)
 
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