Can I be Christian and Not Believe the Bible?

justlookinla · May 30, 2015

Givemeareason said:
Nor should Christianity be grounded in fear. Christianity is grounded in hope in a world that is grounded in fear

The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom.

Givemeareason · May 30, 2015

justlookinla said:
Great.

One simply practices Christanity. Stay the course. Stay faithful in prayer. Continue in one's relationship with God. And reject the anti-Christ spirit which is working in the world.

The only way to battle this anti-Christ spirit is through relationship with God through Christ and prayer. Spiritual warfare in other words. We do not wrestle against flesh and blood.

That spirit is being confronted. The weapons of our warfare are not carnal.

No, Christians have become too complacent. You need to pick up the cross and bear the truth of Jesus to the world and leave all that extraneous stuff behind.

bhsmte · May 30, 2015

Givemeareason said:
There is absolutely nothing wrong with the image od God in the Bible if it is understood in the correct context. God as portrayed in the old testament is God that was needed then. Jesus is God for today.

That's just the thing, people perceive God and or scripture according to their own interpretation. Who determines who is right and wrong, or if they are all wrong?

Givemeareason · May 30, 2015

bhsmte said:
Here is the good news. When it comes to Christians, far fewer today, believe in creationism compared to say 50 years ago and more and more Christians are accepting of well evidenced science all the time. In fact, most Christians agree with evolution and not biblical creationism.

Then why is Christianity still getting the bad rap?

bhsmte · May 30, 2015

Givemeareason said:
Then why is Christianity still getting the bad rap?

Bad wrap how and from who?

Maybe you are just talking about the fundamentalist Christians, who are the minority, but they are very loud and like to be heard.

justlookinla · May 30, 2015

Givemeareason said:
No, Christians have become too complacent. You need to pick up the cross and bear the truth of Jesus to the world and leave all that extraneous stuff behind.

Persecution changes complacency.

Givemeareason · May 30, 2015

bhsmte said:
That's just the thing, people perceive God and or scripture according to their own interpretation. Who determines who is right and wrong, or if they are all wrong?

That's the problem.

bhsmte · May 30, 2015

Givemeareason said:
That's the problem.

Why is it a problem for people to come to their own conclusions about scripture and about God?

Are you saying everyone should think exactly alike, like robots?

Llewelyn Stevenson · May 30, 2015

Givemeareason said:
And the other problem fundamentalists have is that because God is not taught in public school, they have become paranoid and now think that children are being taught there is no God. They have become a yoke dragging down the message of Jesus by drawing attention to nothing but nonsense. Fundamentalists are in dire need of getting back to Jesus.

SO you are saying that I am lying, that no teacher in the public school I attended would have said to me, "There is no God?" My friend you are regrettably mistaken if you take that point of view, I got punished for insisting that God was real. One thing I hate is when people hide behind falsities because it makes them appear nice. I have spoken the truth, can you blame me for opposing evolution when my faith was opposed by it? I see no factuality in any evidence that has been portrayed to me for evolution and I won't compromise that, even if I am labelled a fundamentalist. Evolution is retrospective and thus the evidence could be misinterpreted and misconstrued. To say that creation has not a single shred of evidence is incorrect. We have God as a witness and a testimony is evidence. You say the witness's record is third hand and unreliable, I say your evidence is retrospective and unreliable so I guess we'll have to wait till time ends and all is revealed.

Tell me, is the new heaven and the new earth evolving as well? Because Jesus, who made the first one said he was building the second as well.

bhsmte · May 30, 2015

Llewelyn Stevenson said:
SO you are saying that I am lying, that no teacher in the public school I attended would have said to me, "There is no God?" My friend you are regrettably mistaken if you take that point of view, I got punished for insisting that God was real. One thing I hate is when people hide behind falsities because it makes them appear nice. I have spoken the truth, can you blame me for opposing evolution when my faith was opposed by it? I see no factuality in any evidence that has been portrayed to me for evolution and I won't compromise that, even if I am labelled a fundamentalist. Evolution is retrospective and thus the evidence could be misinterpreted and misconstrued. To say that creation has not a single shred of evidence is incorrect. We have God as a witness and a testimony is evidence. You say the witness's record is third hand and unreliable, I say your evidence is retrospective and unreliable so I guess we'll have to wait till time ends and all is revealed.

Tell me, is the new heaven and the new earth evolving as well? Because Jesus, who made the first one said he was building the second as well.

Just out of curiosity, in what subject in school did your teacher tell you "there is no God"?

Did you reply that God was real? And how were you punished and by whom?

Givemeareason · May 30, 2015

bhsmte said:
Bad wrap how and from who?

Maybe you are just talking about the fundamentalist Christians, who are the minority, but they are very loud and like to be heard.

The fundamentalists are the problem and i think all Christians are becoming viewed as the fundamentalists are.

bhsmte · May 30, 2015

Givemeareason said:
The fundamentalists are the problem and i think all Christians are becoming viewed as the fundamentalists are.

Any evidence to support that claim?

Givemeareason · May 30, 2015

justlookinla said:
Persecution changes complacency.

Yes, it closes minds.

Givemeareason · May 30, 2015

bhsmte said:
Why is it a problem for people to come to their own conclusions about scripture and about God?

Are you saying everyone should think exactly alike, like robots?

Don't you think there should be a more consistent view. Jesus is consistent. It should not be a shopping cart full of beliefs.

bhsmte · May 30, 2015

Givemeareason said:
Don't you think there should be a more consistent view. Jesus is consistent. It should not be a shopping cart full of beliefs.

How do you propose to get a consistent view when you are dealing with human beings who all have their own individual psyche and psychological needs?

Why do you think there are so many denominations of Christianity?

Givemeareason · May 30, 2015

Llewelyn Stevenson said:
SO you are saying that I am lying, that no teacher in the public school I attended would have said to me, "There is no God?" My friend you are regrettably mistaken if you take that point of view, I got punished for insisting that God was real. One thing I hate is when people hide behind falsities because it makes them appear nice. I have spoken the truth, can you blame me for opposing evolution when my faith was opposed by it? I see no factuality in any evidence that has been portrayed to me for evolution and I won't compromise that, even if I am labelled a fundamentalist. Evolution is retrospective and thus the evidence could be misinterpreted and misconstrued. To say that creation has not a single shred of evidence is incorrect. We have God as a witness and a testimony is evidence. You say the witness's record is third hand and unreliable, I say your evidence is retrospective and unreliable so I guess we'll have to wait till time ends and all is revealed.

Tell me, is the new heaven and the new earth evolving as well? Because Jesus, who made the first one said he was building the second as well.

I cannot imagine why a teacher would say that unless you were disrupting her class with such insistence. Why were you insisting God was real in a classroom anyway? The reason creationism is scientifically false is because you have started with the conclusion before you started looking for the evidence to support it. It is supposed to work the other way around. And if you had any knowledge of real science you would already know this. What has happened is that you have closed your mind to science because you think it does not support your belief. I do not mean this hurtfully but only hope you will come to realize this.

Givemeareason · May 30, 2015

bhsmte said:
Any evidence to support that claim?

No, I have not done a study and frankly I hope that I am wrong.

Givemeareason · May 30, 2015

bhsmte said:
How do you propose to get a consistent view when you are dealing with human beings who all have their own individual psyche and psychological needs?

Why do you think there are so many denominations of Christianity?

Probably because of leaders hoping to manipulate their followers for personal gain.

Catherineanne · May 30, 2015

JacksBratt said:
As for what the Sola Scriptura say's. Well I posted it here below:

Scripture is self-authenticating, clear (perspicuous) to the rational reader, its own interpreter ("Scripture interprets Scripture"), and sufficient of itself to be the final authority of Christian doctrine.

Thank you. Now all we need is the Scripture to confirm that the Bible is the final authority of Christian doctrine, and we are home free.

There are at least some words of Christ himself attesting to the Primacy of Peter, even though the interpretation is not always agreed on. Surely you have at least the same about Scripture itself? Something about building the Church on the Rock of Scripture, perhaps? Or some words of Christ relating to writing down what he says, and being sure to get the writing correct because it will be the final authority of Christian doctrine?

Over to you.

I will believe I have found a 'Bible Believing Christian' when I encounter someone who has cut off their own hand, or plucked out their own eye, in order to prevent themselves from lusting after or stealing doughnuts.

Until then, we all interpret away from the plain text of Scripture and we all listen to reason. Which is as it should be. And I have text for that:

'Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, with all thy soul, with all thy mind and with all thy strength.'

single eye · May 30, 2015

Llewelyn Stevenson said:
I wonder if givemeareason will find this acceptable? If the Bible can't be trusted, as you say, why should the Aocryphon of John? However he did not say, I don't like the Bible, only , I don't like the Old Testament. If he moves to the book you suggest he has only chosen another source that can be claimed not to be supported by evidence or science. How long before he finds fault with your book?

You completely ignored the most important point of my post about the doctrine of blood atonement being contradictory to the doctrine of the gift of grace. I believe you are putting the cart before the horse, you are capable of better.

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