Is there anything in this world that it's ok for Christian's to enjoy?
Don't boycott 'fun' now. Next no one will be pro creating anymore. lol
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Is there anything in this world that it's ok for Christian's to enjoy?
Don't boycott 'fun' now. Next no one will be pro creating anymore. lol
and the secret work for the day is.......
wait for it........
intended purpose!
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh!
That actually made me smile. Do it again!!!!!!
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Nope;
In 2013, firearms were the most common method of death by suicide, accounting for a little more than half (51.4%) of all suicide deaths. The next most common methods were suffocation (including hangings) at 24.5% and poisoning at 16.1%
Source: https://www.afsp.org/understanding-suicide/facts-and-figures
Source: https://www.afsp.org/understanding-suicide/facts-and-figures
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I agree.True, but you'd better be prepared to pull the trigger once you point it at them, or at the very least make them believe that you're willing to hurt or kill them with that gun for it to be an effective form of protection.
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So true. Doesn't make what I'm saying any less true through. The really funny thing though is those who should be understanding the truth of it choose to ignore it and preach their convictions as if they are the Holy Spirit's little helpers.
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So every cop carries a gun to go kill someone? I'm thinking no, it's a deterrent though.
And it's one fruit of the spirit...I wonder how getting a sword fits in your scenario, as even Jesus seems to be lacking the fruits...
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?? lol yes - .every tuesday night and we went for its purpose -to pray ! and we prayed ..(funny thing .. , the night i used to be at martial arts training .
Do you go to work each day? Have you ever felt in danger?
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One needs to remember that humans are not the only things that we could possibly shoot with guns.
I live in Pennsylvania and like a lot of people who live in PA, our family owns guns, several of them in fact. We've never pointed one at a fellow human, but rather, at animals. We (or at least a family member; I don't have time to anymore) hunt to lighten the yearly grocery bill a bit. One deer can provide several suppers, and the meat can be frozen or canned and can be stored for a year+ safely.
We also used to hunt small game which can provide some meals as well, and also other purposes like defending our garden from destructive critters when all other means to accomplish that fail.
Also, didn't Jesus Himself instruct His apostles to buy weapons (swords) before He went to the Garden of Gethsemane? (Luke 22:36-38)
If it were wrong for a Christian to own, or even use a weapon, then surely He would not have done so?
He did warn that those who "live by the sword" will "die by the sword", but that's more of a warning against living a violent lifestyle. Merely owning a gun doesn't really qualify for that unless you use it regularly for such purposes (people in street gangs, etc).
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?? lol yes - .every tuesday night and we went for its purpose -to pray ! and we prayed ..(funny thing .. , the night i used to be at martial arts training .
You do know how to toot your own horn. Your so far up there I can barely see you anymore. lol
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The Bible says to submit to authority. The authority of the US government made it that every US person, almost, can carry a gun for protection, as well as to make it that not just the government has weapons. To say this is wrong is super nice, and someone with a gun probably fought and dies so you could have the freedom to say that.
I wonder for those who keep preaching how they're so holy they only trust in God, why do they wear seatbelts? Hasn't God given us tools? Or do they think they're relying on man's wisdom when a diabetic takes insulin? Who knows.
I wonder for those who keep preaching how they're so holy they only trust in God, why do they wear seatbelts? Hasn't God given us tools? Or do they think they're relying on man's wisdom when a diabetic takes insulin? Who knows.
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So do I. Hello, fellow Pennsylvanian!
I'm not a hunter, but there are quite a few people in my family who hunt. The first day of deer season is like a state holiday around here, where almost everyone has the day off to go hunting. Even though I do not hunt, I have friends and family that share their deer meat with us, and I'm thankful that they do because it's delicious!
However, you'll note that the purpose of the gun in the context you're speaking of is still to kill something, which was my point. It is not misuse of a gun that results in something being killed. You're using the gun just as it was intended when you kill something with it. The same can not be said of a shovel.
He did indeed. However, you'll note that the one time it is recorded that they went to use those swords, He admonished them to put them away.
Since we are not told directly why that is, we are left to speculate. My theory is that Jesus wanted it to be known that even though He had the capacity to fight back, He willingly laid His life down and allowed Himself to be captured and killed. If the disciples had not had swords or the capacity to fight back, people may have incorrectly concluded that Jesus was taken against His own will instead of laying His life down freely as He said. It's interesting to note that there is no record of the disciples having ever used those swords for self defense anywhere in the New Testament.
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I agree. And it's sad when one Christian uses a topic or discussion to talk about how much 'better' they are as a Christian than someone else. If it's truly a discussion about guns, then let the topic of guns be discussed without all the pomp and circumstance of who is better than whom.
Bravo!
I'm surprised that Bambi has not been brought into this discussion. Some people's tactics for discussion are to divert an actual discussion unto themselves. I hope we can get back on topic.
No gun that I know of ever killed anyone without a human being pulling the trigger.
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This is, IMO, far and away the silliest statement the gun lobby relies on. I could just as easily say, "No match that I know of has ever sparked a fire without a human being striking it", but that doesn't mean that I don't practice "match control" with my children.
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This is, IMO, far and away the silliest statement the gun lobby relies on. I could just as easily say, "No match that I know of has ever sparked a fire without a human being striking it", but that doesn't mean that I don't practice "match control" with my children.
I disagree. The who buys a gun if not to shoot someone statements were the silliest. Things went downhill after that.
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And no one is saying you shouldn't use gun control. Yeesh
And I seriously doubt she is part of your gun lobby.
And I seriously doubt she is part of your gun lobby.
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Here's the issue I have with those extremist anti gun folks. They can view only one aspect of gun ownership, they focus on murder so much that they honestly believe gun owners sit and polish their weapons, imagining their next victim as they look down the sites. To them, there is only one use, one 'intended purpose' and that is to kill!
Basically, they are so jaded by their belief system that they can only see gun ownership as the desire to murder.
So here are the murderers:
Olympic skeet shooter?
No, he is imagining killing his next victim.
Olympic Marksman champion?
No he sees a child's head exploding. It's not about the sport, it's about killing right?
Don't let the pony tail fool you!
Her heart is set on murder
Scouting fun event?
No, just a group of under age murderers.
Because after all, there is only one intended purpose for a gun.
Basically, they are so jaded by their belief system that they can only see gun ownership as the desire to murder.
So here are the murderers:
Olympic skeet shooter?
No, he is imagining killing his next victim.
Olympic Marksman champion?
No he sees a child's head exploding. It's not about the sport, it's about killing right?
Don't let the pony tail fool you!
Her heart is set on murder
Scouting fun event?
No, just a group of under age murderers.
Because after all, there is only one intended purpose for a gun.
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I have to confess, I am the worst of the worst gun owners in the world. 34 years, five different long guns and hand guns, 3 years 10 months carrying 24/7 and I have never ONCE used the gun for it's intended purpose. Not once have I thought about taking a life as I cleaned my weapon. Not once did I fantasize about my next victim as I looked down the barrel. I really am bad at this.
Nor has anyone I know, hunters not included, ever used them for their intended purpose .
Maybe, just maybe the reason why the nation with the greatest guns per capita (90),has one of the lowest deaths per capita (3.2), is because we all stink at using the guns for their intended purposes. We really stink at this.
Nor has anyone I know, hunters not included, ever used them for their intended purpose .
Maybe, just maybe the reason why the nation with the greatest guns per capita (90),has one of the lowest deaths per capita (3.2), is because we all stink at using the guns for their intended purposes. We really stink at this.
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Well, I'm glad no one here is saying that you shouldn't use gun control, but it's simply not true that no one is saying that you shouldn't use gun control. There are plenty of people who think there should be no gun control.
That's quite possible. I'm sure you're all wonderfully nice people just sharing your opinions and thoughts on the topic of guns.
All I know is that I'm hearing an awful lot of the gun lobby's talking points parroted in this discussion.
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Some people may believe that, but I don't. As I said, I have plenty of family members who have guns. They mostly use them to hunt since we're all in PA, but not one of them would argue against the idea that the intended purpose of a gun is to kill (setting sport shooting aside, since what we're talking about "protection" and "deterrents")
The issue I have with those extremist pro gun folks is that they like to pretend a gun isn't a lethal weapon unless it's "misused". It's for "protection" they'll say, but that's intellectually dishonest, because the only way that gun protects you is if the person who wishes to do you harm believes you'll use that gun to harm them. If they don't think you'll use the gun on them in the way it is intended to be used, then there is no "deterrent".
I should also clarify that I don't believe that everyone who owns a gun has hidden motives and a desire to kill someone. That position has been put forth in this thread, but it is not my position.
My position is that if you want to own a gun, knock yourself out. But please for the sake of intellectual honesty, let's stop pretending that a gun isn't intended to be a lethal weapon (again, not including those folks who use guns for sport shooting).
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