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We are not talking about the requirements or customs of the Jews. We are talking about Christianity in which there is not either Jew or Gentile (Gal 3:28).

NTL per your request I provide Romans 7:6. I fully expect it to be rejected and thrown out like the trash.
My request was for a verse specifically from Acts 15. As expected, you were not able to provide one.

I *am* talking about the requirements of Jews. Just as before God there is no male nor female, but here on earth we have different requirements, so also true of Jews and Gentiles.
 
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My request was for a verse specifically from Acts 15. As expected, you were not able to provide one.

I *am* talking about the requirements of Jews. Just as before God there is no male nor female, but here on earth we have different requirements, so also true of Jews and Gentiles.
You're an interesting critter. You ask for something all of us know isn't there. So why do you ask? Acts isn't about the Jews. You're neither made a fool of us or made a point this thread is about. No one here but you is trying to discuss Jews. If you want something the chapter talks about Jews it is they were acting outside of their authority as stated by Jews themselves.

Since you're demanding we talk about something we're not I think listed has you pegged correctly.

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I am not saying it is still Sabbath. I am saying that to continue to midnight on the first day of the week, Saturday night as we know it, would mean that they would have been there before in order to be continuing and the time before their continuation would have been Sabbath time.
You're clearly saying after dusk Saturday isn't the first day of the week.

Heads I win, tails you lose.

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You're an interesting critter. You ask for something all of us know isn't there. So why do you ask? Acts isn't about the Jews. You're neither made a fool of us or made a point this thread is about. No one here but you is trying to discuss Jews. If you want something the chapter talks about Jews it is they were acting outside of their authority as stated by Jews themselves.

Since you're demanding we talk about something we're not I think listed has you pegged correctly.

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I base my understanding upon the ruling of the Council of Jerusalem. It COULD HAVE directed ALL believers to give up the 613 laws, but it conspicuously doesn't. The resulting 2 law function for the church should be acknowledged, but you can't bring yourself to do it. You want to run to other scriptures that don't deal with things as clearly and then claim that they overrule what is clearly the case in Acts 15. So run away if you want. It's obvious who has who pegged correctly.
 
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I base my understanding upon the ruling of the Council of Jerusalem. It COULD HAVE directed ALL believers to give up the 613 laws, but it conspicuously doesn't. The resulting 2 law function for the church should be acknowledged, but you can't bring yourself to do it. You want to run to other scriptures that don't deal with things as clearly and then claim that they overrule what is clearly the case in Acts 15. So run away if you want. It's obvious who has who pegged correctly.
if the council said gentiles had to keep law, that would bind the Jews to the law in Antioch also, or there would have been a church division, 2 churches, the Jewish Church, and the gentile church.. please factor these things into your thought process.
 
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if the council said gentiles had to keep law, that would bind the Jews to the law in Antioch also, or there would have been a church division, 2 churches, the Jewish Church, and the gentile church.. please factor these things into your thought process.
Look, don't fault me because God called the Jews out to be a priestly people. Don't jump all over me because he gave us the law and not you. Because that's what it really comes down to. You don't like it that the Jews are given the law and gentiles aren't. You wants everyone treated the same, and we aren't. We are equal before God, but we all have different roles, women have different roles than men, ordained than lay, jews than gentile. And we manage to be one church with all those different roles anyhow.
 
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Look, don't fault me because God called the Jews out to be a priestly people. Don't jump all over me because he gave us the law and not you. Because that's what it really comes down to. You don't like it that the Jews are given the law and gentiles aren't. You wants everyone treated the same, and we aren't. We are equal before God, but we all have different roles, women have different roles than men, ordained than lay, jews than gentile. And we manage to be one church with all those different roles anyhow.
I think this a false flaming accusation. We are not jealous in the least. You can have all the law to hearts content. I much prefer grace that God also gave you and us through the New Covenant just like the prophets said God would and the New Testament bears witness to.
 
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You are telling us all those who died were in Abraham bossom, how big is Abraham? What would have happen to Adam and Abel and Enoch who were before Abraham? Who's bossom were they in? :doh:
Glad you mentioned that :angel:
Ever study on this "covenantle" parable/story in Luke 16? Fascinating!......

http://www.kingdombiblestudies.org/abraham/abrahams_bosom.htm
ABRAHAM'S BOSOM

The parable of the rich man and Lazarus is without question one of the least understood of all the teachings of our Lord. What is its aim? It is a similitude of something; for all the parables are similitudes, even though, like the parables of the prodigal son, and the unjust steward, both of which are in direct connection with this one, they are uttered like simple narratives, always beginning with, “A certain man,” or “There was a certain man.”
Of what, then, is this parable the similitude? Whom does the rich man represent? Who is the poor neglected beggar full of sores, lying at the rich man’s gate? .......................

First, to prove that this language is symbolic and not meant to be taken literally, let's examine exactly what we are told by Yeshua. He says that first, Lazarus dies and is taken to the bosom of Abraham. Notice, there is no mention of his burial here.
Then later the rich man dies, and he is buried (in Hades, according to verse 23). So the time sequence given indicates that upon his death,

Lazarus was taken immediately to Abraham's bosom,
while afterward the rich man was buried in Hades when he died.

If this story is literal, then we have a contradiction in the Bible. Here, Lazarus is shown to have immediately received the promise of eternal life. Yet the author of Hebrews clearly tells us that Abraham, as well as all the other Old Testament saints, have not yet received the promises given to them by God:

LAZARUS IN ABRAHAM’S BOSOM

In the parable of the rich man and Lazarus, the rich man stands for the Jewish nation which at that time enjoyed the favor and blessing of God above all the nations of the earth.
Lazarus, on the other hand, represents the people lying at Judah’s gate who were recipients of none of the blessings so lavishly bestowed upon them - the “Gentile” nations.
Lazarus found himself in the “dog” class - an ostracized “Gentile,” an alien from the commonwealth of Israel, a foreigner from the covenants of promise, without Christ, having no hope, and without God in the world. As to religion, all that the nations had were the crumbs that fell from the Jewish table. The influence of the Jews, as we have shown, permeated the whole of Roman life throughout the Empire in the days of Christ, so that the nations did indeed eat the crumbs from their spiritual table. No more graphic picture could have been drawn of conditions at that time than that portrayed by Jesus in this remarkable parable.

The story, however, contains a striking and astonishing PROPHECY - the rich man and Lazarus are to change places - the rich man finding his lot in estrangement, impoverishment and punishment, while Lazarus is spectacularly promoted to “Abraham’s bosom” - the place of honor by Abraham, the position of favor and blessing, and of close, personal relationship. Oh, let us grasp this great truth! So few have ever gone deep enough with the Lord to discern its great import and far-reaching consequences. Very few really understand or believe this truth. To reject it is to parade the mere words of man and his ignorant imaginings as superior to and more dependable than divine inspiration. We dare not listen further to man. We must listen only to “Thus says the Lord.” Now let us consider the actual fulfillment of our Lord’s prophecy, and its wonderful significance and far-reaching consequences.

“Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision. For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh” (Phil. 3:2-3). This text is taken from Paul’s epistle to the Philippians........................

http://www.herealittletherealittle.net/index.cfm?page_name=Lazarus

The parable of Lazarus and the rich man has been the foundation for many of the erroneous beliefs about "hell" within traditional Christianity. Some have viewed it not as a parable, but as a true story Yeshua told to give details about the punishment of sinners in hell. Yet a thorough, unbiased examination of this story will show that the generally accepted interpretations of this passage of Scripture are erroneous and misleading. In this article, we will go through the parable verse by verse to determine what the Messiah was truly teaching....

LUKE 16:23
"And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom."

If the Pharisees and scribes understood Yeshua's prophetic parable, it must have astonished and infuriated them. How could the Jews become alienated from God while the elect Gentiles became the "seed of Abraham"?
The implication that the House of Judah and those called from the Gentile nations were to change places would have been almost impossible for the Pharisees and scribes to believe...............



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17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
How can the commandments not be for Christians today, abolished at the cross or what ever term you may use, and still the people of God are those that keep the same commandments?
If the Commandments are to be kept why are we as Christians against them? Is that not the devils work? Is that not why Satan is angry with God people? As a matter of fact since God's people are identified as those that keep His commandments those that advocate against the keeping of God's commandments can not be of God's doing, is that not so?

Rev 14:12 "the saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus"
 
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Look, don't fault me because God called the Jews out to be a priestly people. Don't jump all over me because he gave us the law and not you. Because that's what it really comes down to. You don't like it that the Jews are given the law and gentiles aren't. You wants everyone treated the same, and we aren't. We are equal before God, but we all have different roles, women have different roles than men, ordained than lay, jews than gentile. And we manage to be one church with all those different roles anyhow.

Is it your wild claim that only Jews must not take God's name in vain??

Are you even remotely serious??
 
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Of what, then, is this parable the similitude? Whom does the rich man represent? Who is the poor neglected beggar full of sores, lying at the rich man’s gate?
The rich man represents any heartless rich man, and Lazarus represents anyone in need.
 
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Is it your wild claim that only Jews must not take God's name in vain??

Are you even remotely serious??
Do you think it's my claim that only Jews should not murder?

We've posted for a long, long time. I know I've explained to you the relationship of the universal laws to the Mosaic laws.
 
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17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
How can the commandments not be for Christians today, abolished at the cross or what ever term you may use, and still the people of God are those that keep the same commandments?
If the Commandments are to be kept why are we as Christians against them? Is that not the devils work? Is that not why Satan is angry with God people? As a matter of fact since God's people are identified as those that keep His commandments those that advocate against the keeping of God's commandments can not be of God's doing, is that not so?
Because....

John 13:34“A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another

The word for "new" that Jesus used was καινὴν. It meant 'new in category' as opposed to 'new in chronology' (νέος). So Christ fulfilled the Old Commandments so that we can keep the new category of Law.

Now look at what Jesus had to say about the last days at the Olivet Discourse.

LOVE GROWS COLD. People stop observing Christ's NEW CATEGORY of commandment.

Matt 24:12“Because lawlessness is increased, most people’s love will grow cold. 1
 
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