Goodbye, William Penn

[wing2000]

"Biden regime" in OP article headline indicates opinion rather than news. Is there any news on this thats not just ideological axe grinding?

Notice also the word "Rehabilitation" is in quotes as if the park service is lying.

Alas, this is the Gateway Pundit whose mission is to constantly trigger grievance....

 

[Desk trauma]

I've never seen it myself. But I know of William Penn.

Unpossible! One cannot learn about historical figures if they haven’t seen statues of them in person.

 

[RoBo1988]

What is true?

The quote that you omitted: " those who will not be governed by God will be ruled by tyrants"

 

[Whyayeman]

" those who will not be governed by God will be ruled by tyrants

This needs to be read in the context of William Penn's personal experience of the British tyranny. He was imprisoned several times in the Tower for his non-conformist faith. Others who believed in this idea have turned out to be competent tyrants in their own way.

Ask an Iranian about being ruled by God.

 

[Estrid]

The quote that you omitted: " those who will not be governed by God will be ruled by tyrants"

Guess that leaves tyrants then.

Or more to the point, far from true, its complete nonsense.

 

[Estrid]

This needs to be read in the context of William Penn's personal experience of the British tyranny. He was imprisoned several times in the Tower for his non-conformist faith. Others who believed in this idea have turned out to be competent tyrants in their own way.

Ask an Iranian about being ruled by God.

Maybe someone ha ing his arms pulled off in the
inquisition.

 

[Arcangl86]

According to the Park Service the rehabilitation was going to happen anyway and was simply going to be an in kind replacement but they were contacted by at least one native tribe which lead to a consultation process which resulted in the current plan.

 

[RoBo1988]

This needs to be read in the context of William Penn's personal experience of the British tyranny. He was imprisoned several times in the Tower for his non-conformist faith. Others who believed in this idea have turned out to be competent tyrants in their own way.

Ask an Iranian about being ruled by God.

A little difference between "govern" and "rule"- a dictionary can help.

 

[wing2000]

According to the Park Service the rehabilitation was going to happen anyway and was simply going to be an in kind replacement but they were contacted by at least one native tribe which lead to a consultation process which resulted in the current plan.

Yes.

The rehabilitation of Welcome Park was initially conceived as an in-kind replacement of landscape and hardscape features with only minimal changes to the design. However, following outreach from representatives of the Haudenosaunee and consultation with the Delaware Nation, Delaware Tribe of Indians, the Shawnee Tribe, and the Eastern Shawnee Tribe of Oklahoma, the National Park Service has revised the design for Welcome Park to include expanded interpretation of the Native American history of Philadelphia. The proposed reimagined Welcome Park design, developed in collaboration with the indigenous nations, maintains aspects of the original design (including the street grid, the rivers and the east wall) while adding a new planted buffer on three sides, and a ceremonial gathering space with circular benches. The Penn statue and Slate Roof house model will be removed from the park, and not reinstalled. Under separate contract, new exhibit panels will be installed on the south site wall to replace the Penn timeline.

ParkPlanning - Rehabilitate Welcome Park

parkplanning.nps.gov

IOW, it's a design decision to accommodate requests of the native american tribes.

As already mentioned, William Penn's statute sits on top of City Hall and "there is another Penn statue at Penn Treaty Park off N. Delaware Avenue at the corner of E. Columbia Ave. and Beach Street. Legend says Penn and a local Lenape clan made a peace agreement under an elm tree."

William Penn statue may be permanently removed from Welcome Park, angering some

Plans call for removal of the Penn statue in favor of “an expanded interpretation of the Native American history of Philadelphia.”

www.inquirer.com

 

[Whyayeman]

A little difference between "govern" and "rule"- a dictionary can help.

A difference too small to be interesting.

 

[PloverWing]

I see also, in the NPS page that @wing2000 linked to (and which I hadn't read thoroughly before now) that the park was in need of renovation anyway:

Over the past 41 years, the condition of Welcome Park has deteriorated to the point where a major rehabilitation is needed. Pavement has deteriorated due to age, misuse, and inadequate initial construction. The original flowering trees failed in intense summer heat due the lack of an irrigation system. While replacement trees have done well, the absence of established vegetation gives an appearance of abandonment and hampers the public's ability to enjoy the site. Many of the original benches have been damaged or deteriorated and were subsequently removed. Insufficient lighting and a lack of cameras pose a security and safety risk to visitors and property.

So the renovation wasn't motivated by dislike of Penn or of Europeans. It was motivated by the condition of the park. Along the way, there were conversations with local tribes that served as a reminder that non-European people also lived here along the Delaware River.

 

[Whyayeman]

Along the way, there were conversations with local tribes that served as a reminder that non-European people also lived here along the Delaware River ...

... who were there first!

 

[hislegacy]

Is including Native American history threatening to you?

How does removing a statue from in from of the man’s home enhance Native American Hostory?

 

[hislegacy]

Neither "caucasian" nor "christian"
is inherently wondetful.

That could be interpreted as a very racist and Christophobic outlook.

Are there only certain races and faiths considered wonderful?

 

[durangodawood]

That could be interpreted as a very racist and Christophobic outlook.

Are there only certain races and faiths considered wonderful?

I think her point is that no group is "great".

But Estrid presents as a natural pessimist.

 

[iluvatar5150]

I've never even heard of this park or this statute, and I imagine most outside of Philadelphia can say the same. Also, this is at this point only a proposed change and there is a comment period to respond against it. But honestly, since one of the things Penn is known for is his deep relationship with the local tribes, having a larger native representation makes sense to me.

I see also, in the NPS page that @wing2000 linked to (and which I hadn't read thoroughly before now) that the park was in need of renovation anyway:



So the renovation wasn't motivated by dislike of Penn or of Europeans. It was motivated by the condition of the park. Along the way, there were conversations with local tribes that served as a reminder that non-European people also lived here along the Delaware River.

Most of the top comments I saw on reddit were along the lines of, "good, that park is a dump" and "That's a park? I thought it was a big alley."

 

[wing2000]

How does removing a statue from in from of the man’s home enhance Native American Hostory?

From ready the NPS design proposal, space was needed to facilitate the request from the tribes. It doesn't appear to be a large area.

 

[hislegacy]

From ready the NPS design proposal, space was needed to facilitate the request from the tribes. It doesn't appear to be a large area.

The tribes needed a space in front of his home? Interesting

 

[DaisyDay]

"Biden regime" in OP article headline indicates opinion rather than news. Is there any news on this thats not just ideological axe grinding?

It's the GatewayPundit, not exactly known for factual accuracy.

@PloverWing's post #10 has a link with info.

 

[DaisyDay]

That could be interpreted as a very racist and Christophobic outlook.

How?

Are there only certain races and faiths considered wonderful?

The implication was the opposite, that no race or faith is inherently wonderful.