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[ralliann]

I'll grant they used to fight for those.

And about the time those were widely used, illegals came in lowered our wages and enjoyed those benefits. They get benefits I never enjoyed other than the owner gave it on his own (which was really good of him, it was chunk) when I was young. So much for helping us.

 

[ralliann]

No, they abandoned a culture. Yes, the left turned up their noses at hunting, fishing, pickup trucks and cheap beer. But they still fight for protections for those workers, for better working conditions, for better pay, for better education, for cleaner water, etc.

What did the right do? They said “yeah guns are awesome!” and then fought tooth and nail to keep those gun owners poor and subjugated by management l




If you’d like to articulate some details, I’d be happy to listen.

You don't have a clue. Us blue collars WERE DEMOCRATS. I did not look at republican until the Clinton's. So you talk to us? But what you offered we liked. But when wages went down, and illegals are enjoying them.

 

[iluvatar5150]

You don't have a clue. Us blue collars WERE DEMOCRATS. I did not look at republican until the Clinton's. So you talk to us?

What made you look at the Republicans? What have they done for you?

 

[ralliann]

What made you look at the Republicans? What have they done for you?

They appear to like Americans. Black, white, brown whatever color they come. DEMS LIKED US dependant, we weren't anymore. We just wanted honest work, and decent pay, not the hook of dependency. Blacks are seeing that now, they have been replaced for their new dependants.

 

[iluvatar5150]

They appear to like Americans. Black, white, brown whatever color they come.

Ok, so… vibes.

DEMS LIKED US dependant, we weren't anymore. We just wanted honest work, and decent pay, not the hook of dependency. Blacks are seeing that now, they have been replaced for their new dependants.

How did Dems try to keep you dependent? How did Republicans try to free you from that dependency and better facilitate that decent pay for honest work?

 

[ralliann]

Ok, so… vibes.



How did Dems try to keep you dependent? How did Republicans try to free you from that dependency and better facilitate that decent pay for honest work?

Just look at blacks, the same thing is happening. Affirmative action, their cities are a mess, they have not helped them, but Jesse jackson sure did well, al Sharpton did well all those years, then BLM was an absolute joke. The hook, aw let us help you, put is in office. Blacks are seeing what is going on with these illegals. It's just control in the end. I mean I am sorry but i am telling you, go ahead and be proud of all those wonderful things you di for those low wage workers, and the benefits illegals enjoy. You don't even think about that

 

[iluvatar5150]

Just look at blacks, the same thing is happening. Affirmative action, their cities are a mess, they have not helped them, but Jesse jackson sure did well, al Sharpton did well all those years, then BLM was an absolute joke. The hook, aw let us help you, put is in office. Blacks are seeing what is going on with these illegals. It's just control in the end.

Despite multiple attempts on my part to elicit some actual information from you, you’ve yet to describe a single policy enacted by Republicans that has helped you or that has drawn you to them, which jives with my earlier contention that Republicans did a better job of pandering to your identity while not doing much of anything to improve your material condition.

You asked if your “status and experience [was] to low for [me] to give an ear to” - it’s not, but I’m waiting for you to actually say something.

 

[ralliann]

Despite multiple attempts on my part to elicit some actual information from you, you’ve yet to describe a single policy enacted by Republicans that has helped you or that has drawn you to them, which jives with my earlier contention that Republicans did a better job of pandering to your identity while not doing much of anything to improve your material condition.

I did give you answers. Affirmative action for blacks did not help them. They just developed an entitlement victim mentality. They did not have to worry on skill etc. they were entitled. It's about Character here. You ruined their Character to succeed with out you. They didn't have to without your help, and still don't. But, you don't talk to us because character issues on that level are nonsense to you. Look at the Harvard president. She was not qualified, she had to plagerize. She had no sense of achievement, but entitlement. One or two examples you think? No, it pretty much is an example of all others operate in.

You asked if your “status and experience [was] to low for [me] to give an ear to” - it’s not, but I’m waiting for you to actually say something.

Republicans attempt to fight that. Ok, back to your bubble, I have been insulted enough.

 

[iluvatar5150]

I did give you answers. Affirmative action for blacks did not help them.

I asked you for something that Republicans did to help you (whom I understood from previous comments to be white).

You answered with Affirmative Action, which is a policy pushed by Dems that (allegedly) didn’t help Blacks.

Not only is “AA” not an answer to my question, it’s about as far from an answer as one could’ve provided. Everything about that answer was the opposite of what I was asking.

Ok, back to your bubble, I have been insulted enough.

Well, if you decide to take another stab at it, I’m still willing to listen.

 

[ralliann]

I asked you for something that Republicans did to help you (whom I understood from previous comments to be white).

You answered with Affirmative Action, which is a policy pushed by Dems that (allegedly) didn’t help Blacks.

Not only is “AA” not an answer to my question, it’s about as far from an answer as one could’ve provided. Everything about that answer was the opposite of what I was asking.



Well, if you decide to take another stab at it, I’m still willing to listen.

No, I have already told you. If it is not enough, then you are not really going to listen. Everyone's a victim, and the rest are victimizers. We both know this is true, why do want specific policies.
We also know Democrats used to be the working mans party, Republicans the rich guys party. Not anymore. Honesty about who those democrats were that voted in those policies, are todays republicans. Now we are just racists, with white privilege. that's enough to know.

 

[Hans Blaster]

What does any of this have to do with the Wayne County Board of Canvassers?

 

[7thKeeper]

Lol....Im not doing anything other than trying to end this lame "christian" conversation.

I do believe "run away" is a more apt description.

 

[7thKeeper]

No, I have already told you. If it is not enough, then you are not really going to listen. Everyone's a victim, and the rest are victimizers. We both know this is true, why do want specific policies.
We also know Democrats used to be the working mans party, Republicans the rich guys party. Not anymore. Honesty about who those democrats were that voted in those policies, are todays republicans. Now we are just racists, with white privilege. that's enough to know.

No, you didn't tell him anything. He asked for something that had helped you,not something that didn't help someone else. I assume by lack of being able to name a single thing that helped you, you are telling us that republicans haven't got a single policy that helped you.

 

[ralliann]

No, you didn't tell him anything. He asked for something that had helped you,not something that didn't help someone else. I assume by lack of being able to name a single thing that helped you, you are telling us that republicans haven't got a single policy that helped you.

Trumps policies helped this entire country. It is a mess now.

 

[7thKeeper]

Trumps policies helped this entire country. It is a mess now.

Name one that helped you. You are just saying generalisations that mean nothing, absolutely nothing. Name a specific Trump policy, one that is actually a Trump policy and not something that was being done before Trump already.
This is why you aren't being taken seriously, you're just saying empty nothings. Be specific,name something.

 

[ralliann]

Name one that helped you. You are just saying generalisations that mean nothing, absolutely nothing. Name a specific Trump policy, one that is actually a Trump policy and not something that was being done before Trump already.
This is why you aren't being taken seriously, you're just saying empty nothings. Be specific,name something.

Gas was cheaper, food was cheaper, homes were cheaper, it was safer. That is not empty nothings. Those are important things in life. Why wouldn't the working man not vote for a republican.

 

[7thKeeper]

Gas was cheaper, food was cheaper, homes were cheaper, it was safer. That is not empty nothings. Those are important things in life. Why wouldn't the working man not vote for a republican.

Those are not policies. See? You can't name one. You keep distracting away from that.

 

[iluvatar5150]

No, I have already told you.

The only policy you’ve mentioned is AA.

If it is not enough, then you are not really going to listen. Everyone's a victim, and the rest are victimizers.

You’re claiming that Democrats abandoned you. That’s an example of a “victim mentality.”

We both know this is true, why do want specific policies.

I want specific policies because I ant to know exactly how the Dems “abandoned” you and how the Republicans appealed to you. I claimed it was all vibes and not actual policy - your posts so far have just confirmed that. If you want to argue that I’m wrong, you’ll have to show some actual Republican policies that helped you and/or some Democratic ones that hurt you.

We also know Democrats used to be the working mans party, Republicans the rich guys party. Not anymore. Honesty about who those democrats were that voted in those policies, are todays republicans. Now we are just racists, with white privilege. that's enough to know.

In previous posts, you’ve mentioned the shift among certain groups from voting for Democrats to voting for Republicans - a switch, I would add, that was largely driven by racial factors and racial angst deliberately stoked by the Republican party. Here, you’re complaining about the perception of racism being foisted upon you, but the only policy you’ve mentioned is affirmative action, in response to a question for which that wasn’t an answer.

I’ve asked you to name Republican policies that appealed to you, but you just keep bringing up race. How am I to draw any conclusion from this other than that Republicans successfully appealed to you by stoking racial tensions?

 

[Oneofhope]

I do believe "run away" is a more apt description.

The old crystal ball is broken.

I have been trying to walk away from this conversation because I'm bored with it. But since I'm bored, I'll answer one question from you.

What question do you have?

 

[Oneofhope]

You keep distracting away from that.

LOL

What's got you distracted from what they said? And what did they say?

"Gas was cheaper, food was cheaper, homes were cheaper, it was safer."

It doesn't even matter if these are not policies. The point is, is that the policies we had were a whole, WHOLE lot better than the fodder the current administration is lying down our throats. At least my mouth is closed . . . I'm not eatin' these days.

Wake up!