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What happens when the thieves, who are manipulating the market, are funding the elections of those charged with regulating the market?
What happens when the markets are totally unregulated? Do you think in the absence of a perfect solution, having no solution at all is best?
 
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What happens when the markets are totally unregulated?
It's every man for himself, as opposed to the hens trusting the fox for a false sense of protection?

Who regulates the regulators who are in bed with the manipulators?


"Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes it's laws."-- Mayer Amschel Bauer Rothschild
 
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You have to consider the power of BRICS with China being the worlds largest GPD, India 3rd and Russia 7th and twenty three other nations applying to join. The problem for a US dollar financial system is that increasingly other nations dont need nor want the US dollar. That means the US will have no ability to sanction anyone it seeks to coerce.

Plus China is the largest holder of US debt and it cashing in in favour of gold. I just seems like successive US administrations are asleep at the wheel. The isolationism of the Trump era made that all the worse.
So is the reason for BRICS that it is a more reliable, monetary system? Or is it a ploy by those who fear the United States of America, and it's sanctions?
 
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There are theives on both sides y'all. :sigh:
...and it's nothing new.

"You are a den of vipers and thieves. I intend to rout you out, and by the eternal God, I will rout you out." -- President Andrew Jackson to a delegation of bankers discussing the Bank Renewal Bill, 1832
 
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Do you think in the absence of a perfect solution, having no solution at all is best?
There is a solution. Use Constitutional money (an asset) in exchange for physical assets. This means that assets won't be sold if there is no way that they can be delivered, with IOUs that can't be made good on.

The Constitution might not be perfect; but it's better than what we have.

First we need to end the corporate monopoly on monopoly money.

"Whoever controls the volume of money in any country is absolute master of all industry and commerce." -- President James A. Garfield
 
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There is a solution. Use Constitutional money (an asset) in exchange for physical assets. This means that assets won't be sold if there is no way that they can be delivered, with IOUs that can't be made good on.

The Constitution might not be perfect; but it's better than what we have.

First we need to end the corporate monopoly on monopoly money.

"Whoever controls the volume of money in any country is absolute master of all industry and commerce." -- President James A. Garfield
What's Constitutional money?
 
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Article I Section10 Clause 1.

I laid this out already in post #31.
If the wealthy hoard the bulk of gold, won't we be dealing in gold granules? I can't imagine buying a loaf of bread for a granule of gold, it might get lost in my pocket.
 
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If the wealthy hoard the bulk of gold, won't we be dealing in gold granules? I can't imagine buying a loaf of bread for a granule of gold, it might get lost in my pocket.
You could use Gold Backs which come in as low as $1 denominations. However gold is more suitable for storing large amounts of wealth. Silver is more suitable to regular daily transactions.

In 1900 a silver dollar would buy you a steak dinner. Today, that same silver dollar will still buy you a steak dinner.
 
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So is the reason for BRICS that it is a more reliable, monetary system? Or is it a ploy by those who fear the United States of America, and it's sanctions?
That's a good question:
Now I'm only regurgitating what I've read so - heck I study medicine so am no expert - but it seems the reasons are several fold

1. In the US, the national debt is rising and rising and the response has been to raise the debt ceiling and to print more money - that weakens the value of the dollar and makes a worryingly unstable international platform.
2. Russia and China challenge the USA in terms of geopolitical, economic and military power.
3. By having a separate system, they are avoiding any coercions the USA would otherwise impose.
4. They simply don't need the USA and its monetary system - collectively they have something more stable and stronger.

Now others will have views on this and I only regurgitate the views of those economists I have read.
 
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You could use Gold Backs which come in as low as $1 denominations. However gold is more suitable for storing large amounts of wealth. Silver is more suitable to regular daily transactions.

In 1900 a silver dollar would buy you a steak dinner. Today, that same silver dollar will still buy you a steak dinner.
Trying to keep a static value (instead of an inflationary one) is a double edged sword. ...for a few reasons.

1) Small, slow, predictable inflation (not the kind we have today, but controlled inflation) is actually a benefit for those who need to borrow for things like a home over the long term. Since most people aren't in the position of being able to pay cash for a home, getting a fixed rate mortgage based based on 2010 USD values, means your $800 monthly payment you had back then is still only $800 today (you can't even get a 1-bedroom apartment for that price today). Absent inflation, the only thing determining whether or not you can more comfortably work your house payment into the budget 10 years from now is being at mercy of your employer and hoping they give you a nice raise every year.

2) If used correctly (and not abused), it can stimulate the economy via increasing aggregated demand (which in turn causes the supply side to ramp up production and new hiring in order to meet that demand).



The other side of the coin, the people hurt by inflation are retirees (who's income is a fixed amount that has little chance of trending with inflation), people who have the bulk of their assets in low-yield savings accounts, and lenders.
 
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Article I Section10 Clause 1.

I laid this out already in post #31.
That restricts the various states from having their own money systems (thankfully!). It doesnt at all lay out what kind of money system we should have nationally.
 
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That restricts the various states from having their own money systems (thankfully!). It doesnt at all lay out what kind of money system we should have nationally.
James Madison, Federalist, no. 44, 299--302

The right of coining money, which is here taken from the States, was left in their hands by the confederation as a concurrent right with that of Congress, under an exception in favor of the exclusive right of Congress to regulate the alloy and value. In this instance also the new provision is an improvement on the old. Whilst the alloy and value depended on the general authority, a right of coinage in the particular States could have no other effect than to multiply expensive mints, and diversify the forms and weights of the circulating pieces. The latter inconveniency defeats one purpose for which the power was originally submitted to the foederal head. And as far as the former might prevent an inconvenient remittance of gold and silver to the central mint for recoinage, the end can be as well attained, by local mints established under the general authority.


The extension of the prohibition to bills of credit must give pleasure to every citizen in proportion to his love of justice, and his knowledge of the true springs of public prosperity. The loss which America has sustained since the peace, from the pestilent effects of paper money, on the necessary confidence between man and man; on the necessary confidence in the public councils; on the industry and morals of the people, and on the character of Republican Government, constitutes an enormous debt against the States chargeable with this unadvised measure, which must long remain unsatisfied; or rather an accumulation of guilt, which can be expiated no otherwise than by a voluntary sacrifice on the altar of justice, of the power which has been the instrument of it. In addition to these persuasive considerations, it may be observed that the same reasons which shew the necessity of denying to the States the power of regulating coin, prove with equal force that they ought not to be at liberty to substitute a paper medium in the place of coin. Had every State a right to regulate the value of its coin, there might be as many different currencies as States; and thus the intercourse among them would be impeded; retrospective alterations in its value might be made, and thus the citizens of other States be injured; and animosities be kindled among the States themselves. The subjects of foreign powers might suffer from the same cause, and hence the Union be discredited and embroiled by the indiscretion of a single member. No one of these mischiefs is less incident to a power in the States to emit paper money than to coin gold or silver. The power to make any thing but gold and silver a tender in payment of debts, is withdrawn from the States, on the same principle with that of striking of paper currency.


"Of all the contrivances for cheating the laboring classes of mankind, none has been more effective than that which deludes them with paper money." -- Daniel Webster


"The constitution, therefore, considers the emission of bills of credit [printing of paper money], and the enactment of tender laws, as distinct operations ... Both are forbidden." -- U.S. Supreme Court, Craig v. Missouri, 4 Peters 410
 
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The other side of the coin, the people hurt by inflation are retirees
"By this means government may secretly and unobserved, confiscate the wealth of the people, and not one man in a million will detect the theft." -- British Lord John Maynard Keynes in his book "THE ECONOMIC CONSEQUENCES OF THE PEACE" (1920).
 
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"The constitution, therefore, considers the emission of bills of credit [printing of paper money], and the enactment of tender laws, as distinct operations ... Both are forbidden." -- U.S. Supreme Court, Craig v. Missouri, 4 Peters 410
Forbidden to the states, as the constitution says, and pertinent to that case.

Find me in the US Const where the fed govt is forbidden from our current system. Opinions from Mr Webster or even from the Fed Papers dont count at the end of the day. The articles of the Const do.
 
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Find me in the US Const where the fed govt is forbidden from our current system. Opinions from Mr Webster or even from the Fed Papers dont count at the end of the day. The articles of the Const do.
You do understand that the Federalist Papers serve to explain the Constitution; no?
 
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You do understand that the Federalist Papers serve to explain the Constitution; no?
They explain certain authors thinking behind their contributions to the constitution. They do NOT introduce clauses to the Const that plainly arent there. By no means did every opinion expressed in Fed Papers make it to the text of the Const.
 
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They explain certain authors thinking behind their contributions to the constitution.
Exactly. You do understand that Hamilton drafted the Constitution; no?
 
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