Could the Republican Party appeal to a centre right atheist?

[Hans Blaster]

Americans are from the American continent regardless of what country

But there are *two* American continents: North America and South America.

North Americans are from North America. South Americans are from South America. This is the parallel to "Africans" and "Europeans".

 

[stevil]

But there are *two* American continents: North America and South America.

North Americans are from North America. South Americans are from South America. This is the parallel to "Africans" and "Europeans".

Yes North Americans are from North America, South Americans are from South America, and collectively Americans are from the Americas.
There is Western Europe and Eastern Europe but that doesn't negate that collectively they are all European.


Africans are from Africa, Europeans from Europe, Asians from Asia, Americans from America.
It is arrogance for people from USA to claim that they, and only they are Americans. It is arrogance and very rude to be ignoring all the Americans that are around them. In fact most Americans do not come from USA.

 

[stevil]

It’s how the word is used and understood, no amount of disingenuous pearl clutching will change that.

People from USA have tried to appropriate the word, ignoring their neighbors who also have a very strong claim to the word also. That is arrogance.

 

[grasping the after wind]

Our pronoun is “American”.
Is that arrogant of us to claim the entire continent as “ours”?
What could be more American than that?

American, in this case, is an adjective and If we are going to start mistreating adjectives as we have been pronouns I demand everyone use the adjectives brilliant and infallible when they speak of me. That is after all how I identify.

 

[stevil]

I tried to reason my way through this a few decades ago and realized that like communism, capitalism is a morality neutral concept. It is neither moral nor immoral, good nor bad. The individuals involved are what bring their morality into the way the system is practiced. That is why pulling capitalism out of a Christian framework of morality results in an inhumane system that emphasizes accumulation of wealth over human rights. Trying to instill human rights into this system with Government mandates is like trying to improve a runners speed by putting chains on their legs.

You can instil human rights without the baggage of religious beliefs.
With such a globally integrated world, most countries consist of all sorts of people of various beliefs and non beliefs.
The trick is to provide a society were they can cohabitation and life peacefully and respectfully together.
You do that via antidiscrimination laws rather than trying to force a single religion onto people.

 

[essentialsaltes]

The earliest Americans arrived in the New World 30,000 years ago​

Ha, getaloada the hoity-toity University of Oxford making such a huge anachronistic mistake.

(I confess it sounds weird to my USAnian ears to say that Canadians or Brazilians are Americans, but I confess it's valid. The continents are American.)

 

[Hans Blaster]

Yes North Americans are from North America, South Americans are from South America, and collectively Americans are from the Americas.
There is Western Europe and Eastern Europe but that doesn't negate that collectively they are all European.


Africans are from Africa, Europeans from Europe, Asians from Asia, Americans from America.
It is arrogance for people from USA to claim that they, and only they are Americans. It is arrogance and very rude to be ignoring all the Americans that are around them. In fact most Americans do not come from USA.

Is this because the Australians ignore you?

I don't get it. And apparently you don't either.

There isn't ONE continent call "America". There just isn't. There are TWO continents containing the word "America". Together they are called "The Americas". (Logically, people from "The Americas" are called "The Americans". The "The" is very important and *must* be capitalized.)

North America is not the equivalent to "Western Europe". The part of speech might even be a clue. Note that the land mass I live on is not called "Northern America" it is "North America". [So there you go. Now I've revealed I don't live in Hawaii, which is definitely not part of "The Americas" or North America.]

Cheers,

"Han's Blaster"
American, North American, The American

 

[stevil]

Cheers,

"Han's Blaster"
American, North American, The American

Well, that narrows it down to either USA or Canada for you.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Well, that narrows it down to either USA or Canada for you.

Mexico is part of North America as is Panama.

 

[stevil]

Mexico is part of North America as is Panama.

Yes, my mistake. Also countries in the Caribbean like Jamaica and The West Indies.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Yes, my mistake. Also countries in the Caribbean like Jamaica and The West Indies.

Of course, those extra North American countries were unnecessary to locating me in the USA, since I said I was "an American", a term which in English has been used to describe the USA since the British stopped referring to us as "the colonies".

 

[stevil]

Is this because the Australians ignore you?

I don't get it. And apparently you don't either.

There isn't ONE continent call "America". There just isn't. There are TWO continents containing the word "America". Together they are called "The Americas". (Logically, people from "The Americas" are called "The Americans". The "The" is very important and *must* be capitalized.)

North America is not the equivalent to "Western Europe". The part of speech might even be a clue. Note that the land mass I live on is not called "Northern America" it is "North America". [So there you go. Now I've revealed I don't live in Hawaii, which is definitely not part of "The Americas" or North America.

It's all quite complicated, interesting to research though.

Americas | Map, Regions, & Hemispheres

Americas, the two continents, North and South America, of the Western Hemisphere. The climatic zones of the two continents are quite different. In North America, subarctic climate prevails in the north, gradually warming southward and finally becoming tropical near the southern isthmus. In South

www.britannica.com

Americas, also called America, the two continents, North and South America, of the Western Hemisphere.

The name America is derived from that of the Italian explorer and friend of Christopher Columbus Amerigo Vespucci, who made several voyages to the Western Hemisphere and, perhaps more important, described his travels there in letters to friends in Italy. One of these letters, published in 1504, used the term “Mundus Novus” (“New World”) in referring to South America. The letter circulated from hand to hand, and a copy reached the German cartographer Martin Waldseemüller, who was apparently unaware of Columbus’s voyage of 1498, during which he had discovered the continent of South America. Waldseemüller included some of Vespucci’s writings in his Cosmographiae introductio (1507; Introduction to Cosmography) and observed that “another fourth part [of the inhabited earth] had been discovered by Americus Vespucius,” and he suggested that the new land be called America, in recognition of that explorer’s voyages.

And then somehow, various places joined forces and called themselves the United States of America, and lazily (for short) and awkwardly referred to themselves as America (forgetting that there is much more to America than just those few states)

 

[Hans Blaster]

It's all quite complicated, interesting to research though.

Americas | Map, Regions, & Hemispheres

Americas, the two continents, North and South America, of the Western Hemisphere. The climatic zones of the two continents are quite different. In North America, subarctic climate prevails in the north, gradually warming southward and finally becoming tropical near the southern isthmus. In South

www.britannica.com

Americas, also called America, the two continents, North and South America, of the Western Hemisphere.

The name America is derived from that of the Italian explorer and friend of Christopher Columbus Amerigo Vespucci, who made several voyages to the Western Hemisphere and, perhaps more important, described his travels there in letters to friends in Italy. One of these letters, published in 1504, used the term “Mundus Novus” (“New World”) in referring to South America. The letter circulated from hand to hand, and a copy reached the German cartographer Martin Waldseemüller, who was apparently unaware of Columbus’s voyage of 1498, during which he had discovered the continent of South America. Waldseemüller included some of Vespucci’s writings in his Cosmographiae introductio (1507; Introduction to Cosmography) and observed that “another fourth part [of the inhabited earth] had been discovered by Americus Vespucius,” and he suggested that the new land be called America, in recognition of that explorer’s voyages.

And then somehow, various places joined forces and called themselves the United States of America, and lazily (for short) and awkwardly referred to themselves as America (forgetting that there is much more to America than just those few states)

A "british" source. Hahahaha. And a history through 100 years before the english even settled in North America.

 

[stevil]

A "british" source. Hahahaha. And a history through 100 years before the english even settled in North America.

Yes, it would be awkward to use a USA source since we are discussing the USA stealing the term and ignoring their neighbors. We need to go beyond USA. You know, visit the aliens from the other planets outside of the Earth called USA

 

[Desk trauma]

People from USA have tried to appropriate the word, ignoring their neighbors who also have a very strong claim to the word also. That is arrogance.

Call it whatever you like but it’s silly to pretend that’s not how the word is used as if you’re unaware.

 

[mark46]

Oh, so maybe I'm a Libertarian then. Where do they fit in the USA two party system?

BTW, even if policy wise I was a perfect match with the Republican party, after all the shenanigans of trying to coerce Ukraine to publicly declare an investigation into Biden, of the alternative electors scheme, lying about a "stolen election" and gathering people, enraging them and sending them off to disrupt the transfer of power at the capital. And then seeing the party continue to support Trump rather than throw him out. I'd never support that party ever again.

In the British system it's easy for a party to chuck out their leader and then vote within the party for a new leader. It seems in the USA system it is very hard for them to do so, even if they chuck him out, the VP automatically gets the job, and if they chuck him out then it might even be a member of the opposing party that gets the top job. It's a nuts system if you ask me.

 

[mark46]

Oh, so maybe I'm a Libertarian then. Where do they fit in the USA two party system?

BTW, even if policy wise I was a perfect match with the Republican party, after all the shenanigans of trying to coerce Ukraine to publicly declare an investigation into Biden, of the alternative electors scheme, lying about a "stolen election" and gathering people, enraging them and sending them off to disrupt the transfer of power at the capital. And then seeing the party continue to support Trump rather than throw him out. I'd never support that party ever again.

In the British system it's easy for a party to chuck out their leader and then vote within the party for a new leader. It seems in the USA system it is very hard for them to do so, even if they chuck him out, the VP automatically gets the job, and if they chuck him out then it might even be a member of the opposing party that gets the top job. It's a nuts system if you ask me.

 

[mark46]

You would fit well in the pre-Trump Republican Party.

 

[DaisyDay]

Is this because the Australians ignore you?

Wow, you're mean - was that really called for?

 

[Hans Blaster]

Wow, you're mean - was that really called for?

Perhaps a little... I was going to ask if he liked being referred to as an Australian, then I found out NZ is just a couple of non-continental islands and not part of the Australian continent, so no dice.