Futurist Only 10 kings

[Jamdoc]

Kingdom beast of the sea, Oseas, not man beast.

The kingdom is the roman empire.

The 7 heads are Caesars of the Julio-Claudian family in chronological order:
each of the heads represent a Caesar king.

head 1. Julius Caesar
head 2. Augustus Caesar
head 3. Tiberius
head 4. Caligula
head 5. Claudius
head 6. Nero

head 7. end times little horn person, the mortally wounded, but healed head - to become who would simply be called "the beast" starting in Revelation 13:3 and referred to as "the first beast" in Revelation 13:12.

The other beast in Revelation 13, "the second beast", is the false prophet, a Jew originating out of Israel. Neither the first beast nor the second beast is a Pope.

John 19:15 But they cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Shall I crucify your King? The chief priests answered, We have no king but Caesar.

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The seven mountains on which the woman sits is Rome. And the great harlot the RCC. The Vatican will be burned to the ground because it will not go along with the beast's claim of God-hood.

I'd say wrong there. Because Julius was not emperor, he was head of a triumvirate.

and at the time John wrote Revelation in 90-95AD, multiple more Emperors of Rome had risen and fallen. 70AD had 4 emperors.

Being hyperfocused on Europe out of 1 singular verse in the bible is missing the forest for the trees.
Could it possibly be out of Roman empire? possibly. it's one of the 7 kingdoms

The 5 fallen are Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece. The one that was in John's day was Rome.
the one that was yet to come, I believe was the Islamic Caliphate.
The 8th is "of the 7" which means... one of those empires revived or a combination of them revived.

But it could be from any of those 7 and considering other places in the bible that say the Assyrian, name the little horn as coming from one of the 4 parts of an empire out of Daniel 8 (which I don't believe fits Alexander's empire because of some historical inaccuracies like Alexander not being the first king).. well, I don't think "Italian" or "European" is what they were going with. The soldiers who destroyed the temple? Mostly Syrian auxillaries. Not Italians/Europeans, they were just led by one.

So I keep multiple possibilities in mind.

 

[timothyu]

Pope also means caesar

 

[Douggg]

I'd say wrong there. Because Julius was not emperor, he was head of a triumvirate.

Julius Caesar declared himself dictator for life after coming back to Rome from his military ventures. Julius Caesar then took control of the government as the first king equivalent.

The text of Revelation says kings - a generic way of meaning leaders.

Augustus, third king in the list, became the first to have the title of emperor.

Nero was the last of the Julian Claudian dynasty of Roman leaders. The next dynasty was the Flavians.

 

[Douggg]

Pope also means caesar

I think Pope is Latin based to mean "father" - not caesar.

 

[Jamdoc]

Julius Caesar declared himself dictator for life after coming back to Rome from his military ventures. Julius Caesar then took control of the government as the first king equivalent.

The text of Revelation says kings - a generic way of meaning leaders.

Augustus, third king in the list, became the first to have the title of emperor.

Nero was the last of the Julian Claudian dynasty of Roman leaders. The next dynasty was the Flavians.

but again, multiple kings came after Nero, and Nero had committed suicide before John had written Revelation. What fits better, is Kingdoms rather than individual Roman emperors.

The early date of Revelation theory is usually used to defend a preterist view

 

[Douggg]

but again, multiple kings came after Nero, and Nero had committed suicide before John had written Revelation. What fits better, is Kingdoms rather than individual Roman emperors.

There is disagreement over who was the leader in Rome at the time John was presented Revelation. I go with the Nero at the time.

If person starts changing kings into kingdoms in their understanding of the verse - that leads to all sorts of wrong conclusions.

 

[Oseas]

The beast that comes out of the sea - is a kingdom, the Roman Empire.

The seven heads and ten horns are kings of the Roman Empire. six of the seven kings are historic. The seventh king is ends time ... as are the ten kings to rule with king 7.

The seventh head (king 7), the one that has been mortally wounded (the little horn person killed) but healed (the little horn brought back to life) is the beast person.

3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

The ten horns are ten end time kings (leaders) of the end times Roman Empire, the EU.

What you have posted has nothing to do with Revelation 13:v.1-10. Unfortunately, what you are selling is a false interpretation of the Word of GOD.

Revelation 13:v.1-10

1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a Beast rise up out of the sea (a Gentile MAN Beast, not an ancient roman kingdom as you say), having seven heads and ten horns, and upon HIS horns ten crowns, and upon HIS heads the name of blasphemy.

2 ...And the Dragon gave HIM (gave to the Gentile MAN Beast of sea, not to the "roman kingdom" as you said erroneously) his Power, and his Seat, and great Authority. (Where was the throne of the Dragon? Which of the Caesar sat on the Dragon's Throne)

3 And I saw one of HIS (7) heads as it were wounded to death (one of the 7 heads was wounded by a Sword- Which of the Caesars was wounded by a Sword and was healed? who was the person who wounded the Beast with the Sword?); and HIS deadly wound was healed (Who healed the specific head of the Beast, your supposed roman kingdom?): and all the world wondered after the Beast. (What was the world that wondered after the Beast, your supposed roman kingdom?)

4 And they worshipped the Dragon (they whom? Who was the Dragon in your supposed roman kingdom?) which gave power unto the Beast (the Dragon gave power to your supposed roman kingdom?) : and they worshipped the Beast (they whom?), saying, Who is like unto the Beast? who is able to make war with him? (do you know what war this was?)

5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. (Oh, what is this? Who gives to your supposed roman kingdom a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies for forty and two months? forty two months? You are a good storyteller, when does this event occurred in your supposed roman kingdom, the Beast of sea?)

6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

9 If any man have an ear, let him hear. (For you, Doug, this warning is not valid, because to you Revelation 13 started to fulfill decades before Christ, despite has it been written around AD95.)

And Revelation 1:v.1 says: The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which GOD gave unto Him, to shew unto His servants things which must shortly come to pass(MUST COME TO PASS AFTER YEAR AD95 - ONLY AND ONLY FUTURE TIME); and He sent and signified it by His angel unto His servant John.

What JESUS said, and the angel of the Lord said to John, and John wrote, it is true, but what you are preaching is not true, but a terrible and false interpretation of the Word of our GOD, unfortunately. THE WORD IS GOD-JOHN 1:V.1.

 

[Douggg]

2 ...And the Dragon gave HIM (gave to the Gentile MAN Beast of sea, not to the "roman kingdom" as you said erroneously) his Power, and his Seat, and great Authority. (Where was the throne of the Dragon? Which of the Caesar sat on the Dragon's Throne)

It is not a "man beast", but a kingdom beast. In Revelation 13, the end times Roman Empire - the EU - will have gained control of the territories once held by the Babylonian empire, Medo-Persian empire, the Greek empire. The heads and horns of that kingdom are men.

The second beast is not a kingdom beast, but a man beast - the false prophet.

 

[Douggg]

3 And I saw one of HIS (7) heads as it were wounded to death (one of the 7 heads was wounded by a Sword- Which of the Caesars was wounded by a Sword and was healed?

None yet, because it is talking about the end times little horn person.

 

[Oseas]

It is not a "man beast", but a kingdom beast. In Revelation 13, the end times Roman Empire - the EU - will have gained control of the territories once held by the Babylonian empire, Medo-Persian empire, the Greek empire. The heads and horns of that kingdom are men.

The second beast is not a kingdom beast, but a man beast - the false prophet.

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Quite the opposite, the Beast of sea is not a kingdom, as you say, but a MAN Beast, the ruler and guide of the Great harlot, the ancient Catholic Church, later called Roman Catholic Church which rides upon the MAN Beast of Rome, it remains until the current time, today the MAN Beast is Pope Francis.

Actually there was in Rome a TRUE Church of the Lord constituted of Jewish and Gentile members, which was developed and structured by the Apostle Paul - Romans 1:v.7-8 - but Satan through his messengers sowed his tares, his apostasies, among the brothers, and the true brothers were banned from the Church and persecuted, only the apostates members, sons and followers of the Devil linked to de satanic Roman Empire remained and established the Catholic Church, and was eletected the first Pater Patrum-first Papa / Pope, THE FIRST APOSTATE MAN BEAST OF THE CHURCH OF ROME called Linvs, from year AD64 to 68. Since then, the Great harlot, the Roman Catholic Church, has lived with 266 lovers including Pope Francis, and soon the Great harlot will be free from Francis, so, an another lover, the last, number 267, perhaps nicknamed Paulvs VII, it will be the new lover of her. It's that.

By the way, I did not see yet from you which are the 10 kings of your supposed Beast called roman kingdom, which will hate the Great harlot, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

 

[Oseas]

None yet, because it is talking about the end times little horn person.

And who has wounded one of the 7 heads of the Beast with a Sword?
What kind of Sword is it in the 21th century? Who will heal the wounded head of your supposed roman kingdom?

 

[Douggg]

By the way, I did not see yet from you which are the 10 kings of your supposed Beast called roman kingdom, which will hate the Great harlot, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

Those ten kings are end times, and have not been identified who each of them are.

We should know though in the near future, as well as, who the little horn person is.

It is not the pope, Oseas. The person has to be a Jew and his religion Judaism.

 

[Douggg]

And who has wounded one of the 7 heads of the Beast with a Sword?
What kind of Sword is it in the 21th century? Who will heal the wounded head of your supposed roman kingdom?

Sword could be literal, or it could mean by a modern day weapon used by someone - like a gun.''

The description of the beast coming out of the sea in Revelation 13 - is the status of the beast with 42 months left in the 7 years.

No crowns on the seven heads - because the prophecy of the seven kings will be over at that time - as king 7 has been killed.

Crowns on the ten horns - because king 7 has become the beast, king 8, and in Revelation 17:12 the ten kings rule with the beast for one hour. In Revelation 17:17, the ten kings give their kingdom, the EU, to the beast to be dictator.
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God is the one who will bring king 7 back to life - in disdain for him, because he betrays his people and his land - for not only will he be descended from the Julio-Claudian Caesar family, but will all be a Jew.

The person will be killed for claiming to be God in 2Thessalonian2:4. Some will believe that lie.

God has him killed for that lie in Ezekiel 28:1-10. In Isaiah 14:18-19, God then brings him back to life as the delusion on them who believed the Antichrist's lie in verse 11 below.

2Thessalonains 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:





In Isaiah 14:19-20
19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.

20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.

The person will not be laid to rest in fancy ornate tomb, but his soul cast out of hell, by God, will re-enter his body, coming back to life in his open casket - as the entire world will see it happen.

 

[Oseas]

Those ten kings are end times, and have not been identified who each of them are.

We should know though in the near future, as well as, who the little horn person is.

It is not the pope, Oseas. The person has to be a Jew and his religion Judaism.

Revelation 13:v.1-10
1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a Beast rise up out of the sea (a Gentile MAN Beast, not an ancient roman kingdom as you say), having seven heads and ten horns, and upon HIS horns ten crowns, and upon HIS heads the name of blasphemy.

- John saw a Beast rise up out of the sea, and John stood upon the sand of the sea: What sea was the sand from, where John stood on?

- John saw a Gentile MAN Beast, not an ancient roman kingdom as you say, having seven heads: The Word of GOD reveals the 7 heads are 7 mountains : How could you preach they are 7 men? Biblically, MOUNTAINS never were symbols, or allegory, of men or kingdoms. So you are twisting the Word of GOD and inventing a foolish history.

Furthermore, the 7 heads and 10 horns of the MAN Beast of sea is linked to the red DRAGON with his 7 heads and 10 horns, and a TAIL, whose DRAGON will give his Power, and his Throne in JERUSALEM and great Authority to the Beast of sea. That said, how could the Beast of sea be your supposed ancient kingdom of roman empire ruled by your list of Caesars? By my knowledge they never was in Jerusalem. That's a foolish interpretation of the Word of our GOD.

You are a good storyteller, tell us when the Caesars you have listed in above post were enthroned in Jerusalem by the Dragon?
Acording your interpretation the Dragon gave his Power, and his Throne, and great Authority to the Beast of sea, that is you supposed kingdom of roman empire, it's a nonsense.

 

[Oseas]

3 And I saw one of HIS (7) heads as it were wounded to death (one of the 7 heads was wounded by a Sword- Which of the Caesars was wounded by a Sword and was healed? who was (or will be) the person who wounded the Beast with the Sword?); and HIS deadly wound was healed (Who healed the specific head of the Beast, your supposed roman kingdom?): and all the world wondered after the Beast. (What was the world that wondered after the Beast, your supposed roman kingdom?)

None yet, because it is talking about the end times little horn person.

None yet? None yet? Well six Caesars you have listed in your post #40 are died around two millennia ago, so how could one of them be wounded to death by a Sword? And the little horn -the ileventh horn- is who will be enthroned in Jerusalem as a messiah of the Jews before whom three of the first 10 horns will be plucked up by the roots.

So, what's that you have above written? It's a nonsense. What does the Word of GOD say? What matters and prevails is the Word of GOD. The Word is GOD. Scripture explains Scripture. Daniel 7:v.7-8 and 19-27 for all readers of the topic:

7 - After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth Beast (Roman Empire), dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it(i.e.Babylon, and Medo-persian, and Greek) ; and it had ten (10) horns(so, the 10 horns is propheticaly linked to the Roman Empire since ancient time).

8 - I considered the (10) horns, and, behold, there came up among them (from among the same lineage of the 10 horns) another little horn(the ileventh horn), before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn(ileventh horn) were eyes like the eyes of man,and a MOUTH speaking great things.(Perhaps he is a Rabbi, a master ofTorah)

19 - Then I would know the Truth of the fourth Beast(Roman Empire), which was diverse from all the others(i.e. Babylon, and Medo-Persian, and Greek), exceeding dreadful, whose teeth were of iron, and his nails of brass; which devoured, brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with his feet;

20 - And of the ten (10) horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes(the ileventh horn, a little horn), and a MOUTH that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.(more stout -more powerful- than the 10 horns)

21 - I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;

22 - Until the Ancient of days came, and JUDGMENT was given to the saints of the most High; and the TIME CAME that the saints possessed the Kingdom. - Revelation 11:v.15 to 18

NOW EXPLAINING THE PROPHECY:
23 - Thus he-the one like the Son of man- said, The fourth Beast (Roman Empire) shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms(i.e.Babylon, and Medo-Persian, and Greek) , and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another(the ileventh king/ileventh horn) shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first(10 kings), and he shall subdue three kings.

25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. (Who are really ready or prepared?)

26 But the Judgment shall sit (the righteous Judgment of GOD, the Judgment Seat of Christ) and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end. (Unto the end of 1290 days-the period of the 2nd half of the last week plus 30 days)

27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey Him - the most High.

NOTE: We are living exactly in the period of the feet and of the 10 toes of the Nebuchadnezar's estatue, :

Daniel 2:v.41-45
41 And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes(10 toes), part of potters' clay(the Jews), and part of iron(Gentile peoples of Roman Empire), the kingdom shall be divided(they shall not cleave one to another); but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.

42 And as the toes (10 toes) of the feet were part of iron(Roman Empire), and part of clay(Jewish people-Israel), so the kingdom shall be partly strong(Roman Empire), and partly broken(Jewish people-Israel).

43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay. (The Jewish people is separated from the Gentile peoples of all tongues, they mix not)

44 And in the days of these kings shall the GOD of heaven set up a kingdom-REVELATION 11:v.15 to 18), which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume ALL THESE KINGDOMS, and it shall stand for ever.

45 Forasmuch as thou sawest that the STONE was cut out of the mountain without hands(mountain?Micah 4:v.1-5), and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great GOD hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.

It's that.

 

[Douggg]

one yet? None yet? Well six Caesars you have listed in your post #40 are died around two millennia ago, so how could one of them be wounded to death by a Sword?

It is not one of the six. It will be king 7, the end times little horn person.

And the little horn -the ileventh horn- is who will be enthroned in Jerusalem as a messiah of the Jews before whom three of the first 10 horns will be plucked up by the roots.

The person starts of as the little horn, leader of a group of ten EU leaders.

Then after Gog/Magog, he is enthroned, as you say, the king of Israel messiah - making him the Antichrist.

That goes on for about three years, then he goes into temple sits claims be God.

God has him killed for it. Then brings him back to life, which he then become the beast of Revelation 13.

 

[Oseas]

It is not one of the six. It will be king 7, the end times little horn person.

The little horn will never be mortally wounded in the period of the last week, he is the false messiah of the Jews, a former cherub, the son of perdition, who will oppose and exalt himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God will sit in -JERUSALEM- the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. In fact it is he who will heath the mortally wounded head of the Beast of sea. Your interpretation is wrong completely as always it is.

The person starts of as the little horn, leader of a group of ten EU leaders. Then after Gog/Magog, he is enthroned, as you say, the king of Israel messiah - making him the Antichrist. That goes on for about three years, then he goes into temple sits claims be God. God has him killed for it. Then brings him back to life, which he then become the beast of Revelation 13.

What's that you have above written? It's a nonsense. Your spiritist theory has nothing to do with the Word of GOD, and your wrong sense about a group of ten leaders of EU be leaded by the little horn will NEVER happen, because what you are saying is not true, so it will NEVER, but NEVER will happen as such you say. IN FACT he -the little horn, the false messiah- will lead the nation of Israel, and will be the main GUIDE of the esoteric, and kabbalistic, and spiritist Judaism.
What you above said is an empty thinking of yours. By the way, your thinking is from a human perspective, a stumblingblock, not from GOD's perspective, for what you say is not true, it will NEVER happen.

What does the Word of GOD say? What matters and prevails is the Word of GOD. The Word is GOD. Scripture explains Scripture. Daniel 7:v.7-8 and 19-27 for all readers of the topic:

7 - After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth Beast (Roman Empire), dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it(i.e.Babylon, and Medo-persian, and Greek) ; and it had ten (10) horns(so, the 10 horns is propheticaly linked to the Roman Empire since ancient time).

8 - I considered the (10) horns, and, behold, there came up among them (from among the same lineage of the 10 horns) another little horn(the ileventh horn), before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn(ileventh horn) were eyes like the eyes of man,and a MOUTH speaking great things.(Perhaps he is a Rabbi,a master ofTorah)

19 - Then I would know the Truth of the fourth Beast(Roman Empire), which was diverse from all the others(i.e. Babylon, and Medo-Persian, and Greek), exceeding dreadful, whose teeth were of iron, and his nails of brass; which devoured, brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with his feet;

20 - And of the ten (10) horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes(the ileventh horn, a little horn), and a MOUTH that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.(more stout -more powerful- than the 10 horns)

21 - I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;

22 - Until the Ancient of days came, and JUDGMENT was given to the saints of the most High; and the TIME CAME that the saints possessed the Kingdom. - Revelation 11:v.15 to 18

NOW EXPLAINING THE PROPHECY:
23 - Thus he-the one like the Son of man- said, The fourth Beast (Roman Empire) shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms(i.e.Babylon, and Medo-Persian, and Greek) , and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another(the ileventh king/ileventh horn) shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first(10 kings), and he shall subdue three kings.

25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. (Who are really ready or prepared?)

26 But the Judgment shall sit (the righteous Judgment of GOD, the Judgment Seat of Christ) and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end. (Unto the end of 1290 days-the period of the 2nd half of the last week plus 30 days)

27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey Him - the most High.

NOTE: We are living exactly in the period of the feet and of the 10 toes of the Nebuchadnezar's estatue, :

Daniel 2:v.41-45
41 And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes(10 toes), part of potters' clay(the Jews), and part of iron(Gentile peoples of Roman Empire), the kingdom shall be divided(they shall not cleave one to another); but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.

42 And as the toes (10 toes) of the feet were part of iron(Roman Empire), and part of clay(Jewish people-Israel), so the kingdom shall be partly strong(Roman Empire), and partly broken(Jewish people-Israel).

43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay. (The Jewish people is separated from the Gentile peoples of all tongues, they mix not)

44 And in the days of these kings shall the GOD of heaven set up a kingdom-REVELATION 11:v.15 to 18), which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume ALL THESE KINGDOMS, and it shall stand for ever.

45 Forasmuch as thou sawest that the STONE was cut out of the mountain without hands(mountain?Micah 4:v.1-5), and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great GOD hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.

It's that.

 

[Oseas]

Those ten kings are end times, and have not been identified who each of them are.

What does the Word of GOD say? The Word is GOD. Revelation 17:v.1-3:
1 - Come hither; I will shew unto thee the Judgment of the great harlot that sitteth upon many waters: (The Judgment is by the Word of GOD, a sharp Sword. The Word is GOD.)
3 - So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a WOMAN -the great harlot- sit upon a scarlet coloured Beast - the Beast of sea - , full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

We should know though in the near future, as well as, who the little horn person is.

The future you are imagining just arrived, the little horn person was born decades ago, he is a disguised person and he is disguisedly hidden among the Jews, mainly among the main Authorities of Israel giving them the guidelines, and preparing the ground for his manifestation as messiah, doing his spiritists tricks as great signs of lie which he is able to do them.

It is not the pope, Oseas. The person has to be a Jew and his religion Judaism.

The Pope is the Gentile Beast of sea, ruler and guide of a religious Church, an idolater and SATANIC MONSTER having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy - the Roman Catholic Church - the Great harlot. Come hither; I will shew unto thee the Judgment of the great harlot - the WOMAN- that sitteth upon many waters, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

 

[Douggg]

he Pope is the Gentile Beast of sea, ruler and guide of a religious Church, an idolater and SATANIC MONSTER having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy

Do you mean office of the pope, such as office of the President ? Or do you mean a specific pope?

Not the office of pope, Oseas.

Five of the seven kings were fallen (i..e already died) at the time John was given Revelation in the first century. There were no popes in the first century.

Revelation 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

Oseas, if you disagree, and claim the five already fallen at the time of John, 1st century, and claim those are popes - then list them.

 

[Oseas]

Five of the seven kings were fallen (i..e already died) at the time John was given Revelation in the first century. There were no popes in the first century.

Yes, there were popes in the first century, your assertion is not true, you will never deceive me. Here's the Popes of the first century: they are:
- Linvs from ............AD67 to 76 - 9 years
- Anacletvs from .......AD76 to 88 - 12 years
3 - Clemens from ......AD88 to 97 - 9 years
why do you like to lie, Doug?

Revelation 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
Oseas, if you disagree, and claim the five already fallen at the time of John, 1st century, and claim those are popes - then list them.

Revelation was written around year AD95, and JESUS said that His Father gave unto Him the sealed book of Revelation to shew unto His servants things which must come to pass; and JESUS sent and signified it by His angel unto John- Revelation 1:v. 1.

What matters and prevails is what JESUS said, not what you said misleadingly.
Once JESUS revealed and said in the year AD95, i.e. around 65 years after His ascension to the heaven, that the things still MUST come to pass, JESUS LEFT CRYSTAL CLEAR THAT all events discribed in the book of Revelation ARE to happen in time FUTURE, from that moment of the apocalyptic revelation, not a single event of the apocalypse would be before the year 95AD.
why do you like to lie, Doug, and twisting the Word of GOD?

Do you mean office of the pope, such as office of the President ? Or do you mean a specific pope?
Not the office of pope, Oseas.

You're the one making this nonsense up Doug, I didn't mean any of what you're talking about; What I meant is that The Pope is the Gentile Beast of sea, it is he who lead and rules and guide of a religious Church - the Universal Roman Catholic Church - , an idolater and SATANIC religious MONSTER having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy - Vicarivs Filii Dei. Your avatar is linked to this religious and devilish organization, by it you confess to be one follower of the Roman Catholic Church.