God Has Sent them a Strong Delusion.

[Disciple_mike]

If you believe in absolute total depravity outside of the redemption of Jesus, you have to account for the many OT characters who were strong in personality and greatly used because of it. It seems the corruption of the fall did not result in all persons becoming extremely wicked - Noah, Job etc.

i think we have nothing to say he chose them for any of their own personality traits. i cant think of any scripture off hand other then David . but the trait was that he was a man after gods own heart . or a man who sought gods will with the motive being to do Gods will . ,but rather their heart being open towards him. willing to be changed .not his personality

 

[Carl Emerson]

i think we have nothing to say he chose them for any of their own personality traits. i cant think of any scripture off hand other then David . but the trait was that he was a man after gods own heart . or a man who sought gods will with the motive being to do Gods will . ,but rather their heart being open towards him. willing to be changed .not his personality

Maybe we use a different definition of personality.

Job 2:3
The Lord said to Satan, “Have you considered My servant Job? For there is no one like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man fearing God and turning away from evil. And he still holds fast his integrity, although you incited Me against him to ruin him without cause.”

None of this has anything to do with personality ??

 

[Oompa Loompa]

can you tell me what in that string of mocking and bigoted name calling is supporting?

Name calling? Is calling someone a bigot "name calling"?

 

[Oompa Loompa]

Of course people know

But you cannot answer that without the mob coming after you.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

and

Men cannot get pregnant.

 

[SilverBear]

No I view the young people involved as victims of an out of control ideology telling them they can be a combination of umpteen genders, orientations and species.

except that is not happening

 

[SilverBear]

Because race is not sinful but sexual perversion is...

racists believe that racial equality is condemned by God. So again why is one hate "legitimate" and the other not?

 

[SilverBear]

I can see where you are coming from but I must ask then if we take out the extreme language out of Aikis OP then if the bible says something is a sin then is still hate or bigotry?
And moreover how to readdress this because we are called to rebuke sin.

the bible says being of a different religion is a sin worthy of death, does that make it OK to hate Muslims?

 

[Disciple_mike]

Name calling? Is calling someone a bigot "name calling"?

interesting that the primary meaning of the word bigot is One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ... so saying some one is bigoted can be a correct and non insulting description if its true . but also it means one can also say ( in the context of the meaning ) that God is rightfully bigoted in favor of righteousness and against sin. and rightfully so . it is however troubling if the word is used in attempt to silence people who simply agree with God

 

[Disciple_mike]

racists believe that racial equality is condemned by God. So again why is one hate "legitimate" and the other not?

what non believers beleive does not define what is right . God does . and those who believe in him adhere to his word . they don't oppose it

 

[SilverBear]

i notice its you that seems to be breaking things down into minority groups and then seeking to somehow justify them in those groups .. whereas the other posters reference are generalized descriptions of sinful behavior across the board as defined in the bible . its almost like your purposely trying to silence him by saying "oh your racist " in the style of leftwing politics .instead of seeing the bigger picture he is referring to . i can see what he is saying while at the same time knowing that i cannot judge the world for being sinful but knowing they are already under judgement of God ..and can be saved from it if they listen ( give ear to ) and believe ( obey ) the gospel of the lord Jesus .breaking it down into categorized minorities doesn't make sin less sinful. i dont know you and i'm trying to figure out where your coming from and what your point is in doing this .

Pointing out that what one is saying about LGBT individuals becomes offensive when those same words are applied to Black individuals is not saying that he is a racist it is calling on them to actually look at what they are saying and that something offensive doesn't magically change into something good just because you change who you are aiming the words at.

 

[SilverBear]

Delusion: Being a sodomite is the same as being black, and being against sodomy is like being KKK.

Truth: both African Americans and LGBTs are minorities, and both have suffered from hate and discrimination. Homophobia and racism are very much alike.

 

[Disciple_mike]

i will be honest here . when a person dissects another persons post into many parts all they do is detract from the over all meaning of the persons post .tearing it down into many small parts and then attacking those parts as if they were separate statements waters down the intended meaning of the post . it robs the intended message . taking a painting cutting it into a jigsaw puzzle then scattering the parts so no one can see the big picture anymore . it is truly divisive and often personal in motive .

 

[SilverBear]

Name calling? Is calling someone a bigot "name calling"?

Pointing out that someone has said something bigoted is not calling that person a bigot.

 

[SilverBear]

Men cannot get pregnant.

neither can a lot of women

 

[SilverBear]

what non believers beleive does not define what is right . God does . and those who believe in him adhere to his word . they don't oppose it

who are you to say who is and who is not a beliver?

 

[Disciple_mike]

Pointing out that what one is saying about LGBT individuals becomes offensive when those same words are applied to Black individuals is not saying that he is a racist it is calling on them to actually look at what they are saying and that something offensive doesn't magically change into something good just because you change who you are aiming the words at.

truth always is found offensive to liars . one who loves lies will always hate one who speaks truth .Jesus is truth and he is God speaking ..he says its sin then its sin . and he tell us to let all people know about salvation from sin. for sin brings death .

 

[SilverBear]

i will be honest here . when a person dissects another persons post into many parts all they do is detract from the over all meaning of the persons post .tearing it down into many small parts and then attacking those parts as if they were separate statements waters down the intended meaning of the post . it robs the intended message . taking a painting cutting it into a jigsaw puzzle then scattering the parts so no one can see the big picture anymore . it is truly divisive and often personal in motive .

and some feel it necessary to address individual points, if you don't then don't do it.

 

[Disciple_mike]

and some feel it necessary to address individual points, if you don't then don't do it.

but the op was not making individual points but an over all point based on 2 Thessalonians 2:9-12 .but it appears you ignored the whole of the post and pointedly attacked the third or so paragraph out of context to the Ops overall post . for what reason i wonder . how is it assisting us as disciples of Jesus ? how is it edifying . whats your point ? it comes across as being picking for no other intent then to argue

 

[Oompa Loompa]

interesting that the primary meaning of the word bigot is One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ... so saying some one is bigoted can be a correct and non insulting description if its true . but also it means one can also say ( in the context of the meaning ) that God is rightfully bigoted in favor of righteousness and against sin. and rightfully so . it is however troubling if the word is used in attempt to silence people who simply agree with God

Was "bigot" not a name that was called?