The 144,000 Revelations 7:4

[hfbroady]

I have read this a few times and I have also asked fellow Christians about this with mixed answers. What are they referring to when they say 144,00, sealed from every tribe of Israel?
Me personal I can't image GOD only allowing 144,000 into heaven. If you look at the whole Bible in the old testament GOD tells Abraham that he will number his offspring like that of the stars and bless them. So why would GOD do such a thing and not take more then 144,000.

What I think it refers to is 144,000 angels that GOD will select to help with the end of days.
What does everyone think?

Thanks for you comments
GOD bless you all!!

 

[PrettyboyAndy]

I have read this a few times and I have also asked fellow Christians about this with mixed answers. What are they referring to when they say 144,00, sealed from every tribe of Israel?
Me personal I can't image GOD only allowing 144,000 into heaven. If you look at the whole Bible in the old testament GOD tells Abraham that he will number his offspring like that of the stars and bless them. So why would GOD do such a thing and not take more then 144,000.

What I think it refers to is 144,000 angels that GOD will select to help with the end of days.
What does everyone think?

Thanks for you comments
GOD bless you all!!

Good question, look forward to hearing peoples responses.

 

[RaymondG]

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[SeventyOne]

I have read this a few times and I have also asked fellow Christians about this with mixed answers. What are they referring to when they say 144,00, sealed from every tribe of Israel?
Me personal I can't image GOD only allowing 144,000 into heaven. If you look at the whole Bible in the old testament GOD tells Abraham that he will number his offspring like that of the stars and bless them. So why would GOD do such a thing and not take more then 144,000.

What I think it refers to is 144,000 angels that GOD will select to help with the end of days.
What does everyone think?

Thanks for you comments
GOD bless you all!!

I'm confused why you think only 144,000 will enter into heaven. Where does that presumption come from?

 

[smithed64]

Revelation 7:4 And I heard the number of them that were sealed, a hundred and forty and four thousand, sealed out of every tribe of the children of Israel:

Verses 5 thru 8 are the names of the twelve tribes

Re 7:9 After these things I saw, and behold, a great multitude, which no man could number, out of every nation and of all tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, arrayed in white robes, and palms in their hands;
Re 7:10 and they cry with a great voice, saying, Salvation unto our God who sitteth on the throne, and unto the Lamb.
Re 7:11 And all the angels were standing round about the throne, and about the elders and the four living creatures; and they fell before the throne on their faces, and worshiped God,
Re 7:12 saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honor, and power, and might be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.
Re 7:13 ¶ And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, These that are arrayed in white robes, who are they, and whence came they?
Re 7:14 And I say unto him, My lord, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they that come of the great tribulation, and they washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

First, we have to remember, The tribulation isn't for the gentiles, yet there will be plenty alive during that time, those that miss the rapture. For these 144,000 are commanded by God after the rapture to spread the gospel during the middle of the first half of the tribulation.

Re 14:1 ¶ And I saw, and behold, the Lamb standing on the mount Zion, and with him a hundred and forty and four thousand, having his name, and the name of his Father, written on their foreheads.
Re 14:2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and the voice which I heard was as the voice of harpers harping with their harps:
Re 14:3 and they sing as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four living creatures and the elders: and no man could learn the song save the hundred and forty and four thousand, even they that had been purchased out of the earth.
Re 14:4 These are they that were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they that follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were purchased from among men, to be the firstfruits unto God and unto the Lamb.
Re 14:5 And in their mouth was found no lie: they are without blemish.

The 144,000 in conjunction with the two witnesses and the Angels proclaiming the Gospel. In response to their testimony, a large number of people will come to faith in Christ, although many will be martyred. Which is the multitude you read in Re.7:9. This multitude is the ones who under the throne, mention in Revelation 6. Once the 144,00 the two witness and the Angelic proclamation of the Gospel is completed and those of the human multitude die or are martyred are the ones who will fulfill their course in Re:9:11. Which is where Re 7:9 comes in, the 144,000 jews have fulfilled their course and the martyr's of old, before and during the rapture are released into the throne room.

Revelation 6:9-11 And when he opened the fifth seal, I saw underneath the altar the souls of them that had been slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: and they cried with a great voice, saying, How long, O Master, the holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? And there was given them to each one a white robe; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little time until their fellow-servants also and their brethren, who should be killed even as they were, should have fulfilled their course.

Yeah, I know this can be confusing. Because Revelation doesn't necessarily translate chronologically in some cases, due to what is going on In the throne room. Many of the things that John is told to write down happen at once and then it slows down at times. This just shows the power of God's prophetic way and how the Word of God stands on its own.

Sorry, I know you weren't knocking anything. I just real exited to know that I'll witness these things and pray. Even so Lord, Come!!

 

[alex2165]

This issue about 144.000 already had been discussed many times of times on this forum and on others too.

But if you missed those conversations, I can shortly explain to you that these 144.000 are very special people who were selected by GOD from 12 tribes of Israel, all Jews, who are very special and dedicated people to Him.

In order for you to fully understand who they are, you should read carefully what have been written about them and why they have been so honored by the Lord.

There are two places in the Bible describing those people.(Revelation 7.2-8, 14.1.3)

These 144.000 have been sealed by the Lord, see (Marking (sealing) GOD'S people. (Exodus 12.7.13) (Ezekiel 9.4-6) (John 3.33, 6.27) (Ephesians 1.13, 4.30) (2Corinthians 1.21-22) (2Timothy 2.19) (Revelation 7.2-8, 9.4, 14.1.9-11))



Revelation 14.4-5

4.These are the ones who have not been defiled with women, they have kept themselves chaste. These are the ones who follow the Lamb wherever He goes. These have been purchased from among men as first fruits to GOD and to the Lamb.
5.And no lie was found in their mouth, they are blameless.


The Scripture does not revealed much about these people, but as in case of every true believer in Christ, people are selected by GOD according to their faith and life on Earth, to receive from the Lord a certain status on Earth and in Heaven and to do certain tasks for the glory of His awesome name.

Personally, I do not see anything mysterious in those 144.000, but I definitely see that they are not just ordinary people who just believe in GOD.

According to their description in Revelation 14.4-5, they are really exceptionally special and dedicated people to GOD who dedicated their entire life only to the Lord, and this is why they are so highly honored by GOD.

 

[vinsight4u]

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[hfbroady]

Thank you everyone that replied. As I'm on the same page as everyone else, that the 144,000 are not the only people to enter heaven but like some of you said are very special people. Or like I said angels that will help GOD do his work. I love the LORD our GOD and Jesus Christ. I also believe that your faith and what is in your heart will be what determines if you enter into heaven. GOD knows whats in your heart and what you are all about more then you ever know about yourself. May the LORD bless you all and all people who love the LORD and live by his way.
Thank you everyone this was a good discussion.

 

[Shea Rodriguez]

I have read this a few times and I have also asked fellow Christians about this with mixed answers. What are they referring to when they say 144,00, sealed from every tribe of Israel?
Me personal I can't image GOD only allowing 144,000 into heaven. If you look at the whole Bible in the old testament GOD tells Abraham that he will number his offspring like that of the stars and bless them. So why would GOD do such a thing and not take more then 144,000.

What I think it refers to is 144,000 angels that GOD will select to help with the end of days.
What does everyone think?

Thanks for you comments
GOD bless you all!!

The Two Witnesses Of Revelation - Here a little, there a little - Prophecy

 

[Dave B]

I have read this a few times and I have also asked fellow Christians about this with mixed answers. What are they referring to when they say 144,00, sealed from every tribe of Israel?
Me personal I can't image GOD only allowing 144,000 into heaven. If you look at the whole Bible in the old testament GOD tells Abraham that he will number his offspring like that of the stars and bless them. So why would GOD do such a thing and not take more then 144,000.

What I think it refers to is 144,000 angels that GOD will select to help with the end of days.
What does everyone think?

Thanks for you comments

The 144,000 is not a literal value. In the days that Revelation was written, 144,000 meant a very large number of people.
GOD bless you all!!

 

[Stillicidia]

I have read this a few times and I have also asked fellow Christians about this with mixed answers. What are they referring to when they say 144,00, sealed from every tribe of Israel?
Me personal I can't image GOD only allowing 144,000 into heaven. If you look at the whole Bible in the old testament GOD tells Abraham that he will number his offspring like that of the stars and bless them. So why would GOD do such a thing and not take more then 144,000.

What I think it refers to is 144,000 angels that GOD will select to help with the end of days.
What does everyone think?

Thanks for you comments
GOD bless you all!!

The 144000 are people who are virgins with the mark of God.
More people have the mark of God than just the 144000.

They are not angels, they are people, and they are not the whole of everyone who goes to Heaven.

They say because those people would be of Israel that those people are Jewish,
but people are grafted in an olive tree, you don't need to be Jewish to be of Israel, in the spirit.
Israel is of 12 tribes, and if you're grafted in an olive tree, you're a part of a tribe.
I'm grafted in, into the tribe of Gad, for an example.

 

[vinsight4u]

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[Theo Book]

I have read this a few times and I have also asked fellow Christians about this with mixed answers. What are they referring to when they say 144,00, sealed from every tribe of Israel?
Me personal I can't image GOD only allowing 144,000 into heaven. If you look at the whole Bible in the old testament GOD tells Abraham that he will number his offspring like that of the stars and bless them. So why would GOD do such a thing and not take more then 144,000.

What I think it refers to is 144,000 angels that GOD will select to help with the end of days.
What does everyone think?

Thanks for you comments
GOD bless you all!!

Revelation names the twelve tribes, but there were fourteen, so it seems the simple answer is, the number 144,000 is symbolical, not reality.

Remember, Levi did not inherit with the tribes, because He was given the priesthood, and inherited six cities of refuge, and the surrounding territory for cultivation.

Joseph had two sons, Ephraim, and Manasseh, who inherited.

But John in Revelation named Joseph and Manasseh instead of Ephraim and Manasseh.

But we know Ephraim inherited because God said "Ephraim is my firstborn" and the term "Firstborn ALWAYS is a reference to something about inheritance issues.

So what we have are two different listings, both correct; one listing the actual lineology, the other having to do with the actual inheritance issues.

Rev 7:5-8
01) Juda
02) Reuben
03) Gad
04) Aser
05) Nepthalim
06) Manasses
07) Simeon
08) Levi
09) Issachar
10) Zabulon
11) Joseph
0000a)Ephraim
0000b)Manasseh
12) Benjamin
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Gen 35:22-26
The sons of Jacob were twelve:
six through Leah;
Reuben, Simeon, {Levi}, Judah, Issachar, Zebulun:

two through Leah's handmaid Zilpah;
Gad, Asher:

two through Rachel;
Joseph, and Benjamin:

two through Joseph's sons;
Ephraim, Manasseh

two through Rachel's Handmaid Bilhah;
Dan, Naphtali:

Ephraim & Manesseh replace Joseph and Levi in the inheritance, to maintain twelve as the number of sons who inherited; replacing Levi who was given cities of refuge, with the surrounding land for cultivation; because they were the priest-tribe; and Joseph who was given a double portion by Jacob, through his sons Ephraim and Manesseh.

 

[vinsight4u]

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[marineimaging]

I didn't read the replies but to those who wonder, the 144,000 will be the Jewish converts (12,000 from each of the 12 tribes) who will bring the Gospels to God's elect. This is not for the saved gentiles.

 

[Episaw]

I have read this a few times and I have also asked fellow Christians about this with mixed answers. What are they referring to when they say 144,00, sealed from every tribe of Israel?
Me personal I can't image GOD only allowing 144,000 into heaven. If you look at the whole Bible in the old testament GOD tells Abraham that he will number his offspring like that of the stars and bless them. So why would GOD do such a thing and not take more then 144,000.

What I think it refers to is 144,000 angels that GOD will select to help with the end of days.
What does everyone think?

Thanks for you comments
GOD bless you all!!

I was taught that they were the Jews that would be saved during the tribulation. 12,000 from each tribe.

 

[TG MD]

The 144000 are people who are virgins with the mark of God.
More people have the mark of God than just the 144000.

They are not angels, they are people, and they are not the whole of everyone who goes to Heaven.

They say because those people would be of Israel that those people are Jewish,
but people are grafted in an olive tree, you don't need to be Jewish to be of Israel, in the spirit.
Israel is of 12 tribes, and if you're grafted in an olive tree, you're a part of a tribe.
I'm grafted in, into the tribe of Gad, for an example.

How do you know which tribe you are grafted into?

 

[DrBubbaLove]

There are not twelve tribes today and my understanding is there had not been 12 for centuries before Jesus day either. The Jews of His day were principally from the tribe of Judah, from which the label Jew derives. At least one person said believers grafted in, which is more believable at least. But for the rest of the folks talking members of 12 tribes where do these witnesses come from again?

 

[Stillicidia]

How do you know which tribe you are grafted into?

The Lord may speak to us

 

[Jesus: From Gen to Rev]

I have read this a few times and I have also asked fellow Christians about this with mixed answers. What are they referring to when they say 144,00, sealed from every tribe of Israel?
Me personal I can't image GOD only allowing 144,000 into heaven. If you look at the whole Bible in the old testament GOD tells Abraham that he will number his offspring like that of the stars and bless them. So why would GOD do such a thing and not take more then 144,000.

What I think it refers to is 144,000 angels that GOD will select to help with the end of days.
What does everyone think?

Thanks for you comments
GOD bless you all!!

Thank you hfbroady for your great question.

Did you happen to notice that the list of 12 tribes in Rev 7 is a bit different to the actual 12 tribes of Israel in the Old Testament?

Do you know that the nation of Israel's probation ran out 3.5 years after Jesus ascended back into Heaven, years before the temple was destroyed in Jerusalem. Christians are now God's 'spiritual' Israel, and a Jew needs to be 'grafted in' to God's Church to be one of His people now.

So that brings us to Rev 7 (and indeed Rev14). The 144,000 are the living Christians when Jesus returns, while the great un-numbered multitude are the resurrected saved, from Adam's time to the end.

The 144,000 are special in that they must live through the time of the outpouring of the 7 last plagues. This happens after the world's probation closes - so they are especially representing God's character.

I have been extremely brief with this here, and happy to elaborate if need be, but does that help at all?

Blessings as you study and follow God's Word.