How to explain 13.8 billion years?

[JackRT]

There are no evidences against wild lying theories. Call them what you like.

I abhor "wild lying theories".

 

[dad]

I abhor "wild lying theories".

Me too. That is why no evidence against the big bang exists. No evidence against wild tales exists usually. The so called evidence for it is missing to. The interpretation of redshift, creation remnant background, and etc etc are all religious twaddle.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Unless we can confirm by observational science or evidence of how to measure light traveling across the universe, one is just making educated guesses. I trust in God's Word in that it strongly suggests that the Earth is young and not old. I may not have the scientific answers or theories you may want to hear, but God's Word is so much better than all of that. We know according to God's Word that God created the sun, the moon, and the stars on Day 4 after light was already created. We know Jesus created this light. But there is a far more important light than that. It is Jesus Christ Himself. Jesus is the spiritual light of the world whereby He can live in our hearts and can shine out the darkness (sin). Repent of your sins to Jesus, trust in Him and that He died for your sins and was risen three days later and obey His commands.


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[BobRyan]

in the beginning what God created was good.
so in Genesis 1:1 heaven and earth is perfect, but when the devil was cast to the earth, the earth became corrupted. so there is a period of time that we do not know between Genesis 1:1 to 1:2

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The devil did not corrupt the Earth until Adam handed it over. God gave Adam dominion over the Earth. Not satan. But when Adam sinned - he handed the keys over to Satan by choosing the devil as his king.

 

[BobRyan]

Are there evidences against Big Bang theory?

Big Bang - is the alternative to "steady state" which argues for an eternal state of the universe as if "matter is God" and eternal.

Big Bang is the idea that "in the beginning God created" -- there is a starting point for the universe. Why would Christians not want that??

 

[BobRyan]

There are many metapors used in scriptures whether they are literal or not misses the point.

Not in the legal code of the Ten Commandments. Was the incarnation of Christ a "metaphor" and not real history? Many atheists think so. Same with the resurrection of Christ and bodily ascension of Christ. At some point Christians just have to "believe the Bible".

All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players;

That sort of literary device is a good example of what we do NOT see in Exodus 20:11 - legal code.

 

[BobRyan]

Yes, and in real life those scientists were almost immediately persecuted and sometimes killed by other Bible-believing Christians.

Bait and switch much?

You claimed that if we allow Christians to be scientists - then we all have to believe in a flat earth.

Now we have bait-and-switch to - Christians being killed by other Christians if they know something about science. (endless straw man bait and switch?)

Really - who killed Newton?
Who killed Louise Pasteure?
Who killed Pascal?
Who killed Charles Bell?
Who killed Robert Boyle?
Who killed Georges Cuvier
John Flemming?
William Kelvin?



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The founders of modern science were all bunched into a particular geographical location dominated by a Judeo-Christian world view. I'm thinking of men like Louis Aggasiz (founder of glacial science and perhaps paleontology); Charles Babbage (often said to be the creator of the computer); Francis Bacon (father of the scientific method); Sir Charles Bell (first to extensively map the brain and nervous system); Robert Boyle (father of modern chemistry); Georges Cuvier (founder of comparative anatomy and perhaps paleontology); John Dalton (father of modern atomic theory); Jean Henri Fabre (chief founder of modern entomology); John Ambrose Fleming (some call him the founder of modern electronics/inventor of the diode); James Joule (discoverer of the first law of thermodynamics); William Thomson Kelvin (perhaps the first to clearly state the second law of thermodynamics); Johannes Kepler (discoverer of the laws of planetary motion); Carolus Linnaeus (father of modern taxonomy); James Clerk Maxwell (formulator of the electromagnetic theory of light); Gregor Mendel (father of genetics); Isaac Newton (discoverer of the universal laws of gravitation); Blaise Pascal (major contributor to probability studies and hydrostatics); Louis Pasteur (formulator of the germ theory).

 

[DamianWarS]

Not in the legal code of the Ten Commandments. Was the incarnation of Christ a "metaphor" and not real history? Many atheists think so. Same with the resurrection of Christ and bodily ascension of Christ. At some point Christians just have to "believe the Bible".

All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players;

That sort of literary device is a good example of what we do NOT see in Exodus 20:11 - legal code.

Scripture points to Jesus, the law points to Jesus and creation points to Jesus. That's the point not 6 literal days but somehow there's too many trees in the way to see it. Just because God chooses to reveal the creation account as a poetic metaphor to show how his rest will start a new creation in us all does not void the whole thing.

 

[Timotius Danang]

The devil did not corrupt the Earth until Adam handed it over. God gave Adam dominion over the Earth. Not satan. But when Adam sinned - he handed the keys over to Satan by choosing the devil as his king.

I do not agree with what you suggested because of Adam's sin does not mean Satan as his king, because the Lord had already dropped a curse on each as punishment (Gen 3: 14-19) and then God save Adam and Eve with slaughtering sacrificial animal then the skin used as their clothing (Gen 3:21) if Adam make Satan as his king then adam would soon die, but because of God's love, Adam and Eve lived, only expelled from Eden (Gen 3:24) and after expelled, Adam teach his children to give sacrifice to God (Gen 4: 4) if Adam make Satan as his king, then Abel did not know offering sacrifices to God

 

[throughfiierytrial]

What makes you rely upon the fact that distance = age?? The church relies on the Word of God.

I would like to clarify what I said in the post ...
What makes one accept Distance = Age as fact while Scripture arrives at another age of the world based on the genealogies given???

 

[StevenMerten]

Day 1-3 they are spoken into existence, let there be 1. light, 2. water/sky, 3. land

Day 4-6 they are filled or "fattened" as the Hebrew word means, 4. sun/moon/stars, 5. birds/fish, 6. animals/man.

Compare days 1 with 4, 2 with 5 and 3 with 6. Notice the symmetry in the order? Could this be poetry? Or did birds really have to fly for 24 hours before they could land?

Hello Damian, I do not see your point. Land was created before birds. I do not see the poetry either.

 

[reubenabraham]

Astronomers say the darndest things.

God is outside the boundaries of science. God created a mature earth and universe. Similarly as Adam. Adam was not created as a baby he was a mature human....

 

[JacksBratt]

The long life of the pre-flood era can be argued a part of the myth but even if true your point is valid only for Shem not for Moses. The Israelites were in slavery for 400+ years of normal life span that you haven't included. And in the spirit of being literal you must include those years in your equation.

Certainly God is first hand information but that really doesn't clear up if the accounts are literal or not. We also should not start suspecting that Moses compiled other written accounts because the text does not say so. The Hebrews are an oral culture and the ones in Egypt had no leader and no organised system of faith with very limited knowledge of who God was. Their ability to preserve a written account would have been very difficult.

So, as a Christian, you are arguing, with another Christian, that the Bible is false?

Seriously?

Why?

So you can align your beliefs with that of secular atheistic minded people who rely on the wisdom of other men?

Sorry, but in the reality of this universe, what other so called educated, academic, scholars believe, based on the wisdom of men.......will be shown to be fools.

If I cannot stand on the Bible as the totally true word of God.... I might as well give up on anything in it.

 

[JacksBratt]

"The church"??? Not all churches have a problem with either the ToE or the BBT. One might also ask "just what is the Word of God?" and "if the WoG exists, do know how to properly interpret it?"

Only the apostate churches teach the ToE.

Satan is alive and well when he can convince people, especially people of influence and leaders of the "church" that the Bible is difficult to interpret.

Other than the book of revelations, the Bible is very easy to read and understand. It's when you try to blend it with the beliefs and opinions of man that it has to be "interpreted" in different ways.

 

[LadyCrosstalk]

The astronomers say the visible universe is 13.8 billion years old,
the vast distance can prove that.
Then, how valid is the Church to insist it is only 6000+ years old?

If the earth is really at the center of the universe (and it could well be) then the time dilation effect would predict that the edges of the universe, which are racing outward at incredible speed, would "age" billions of years, in what would be mere days here on earth.

 

[JackRT]

Not in the legal code of the Ten Commandments.

Which of the three versions of the ten commandments found in the bible do you refer to? Exodus 34 is the only one that actually self identifies as "the ten commandments".

 

[LadyCrosstalk]

Anyhow, do you believe the Universe, Galaxies etc., are older than the earth?

 

[JacksBratt]

The long life of the pre-flood era can be argued a part of the myth but even if true your point is valid only for Shem not for Moses. The Israelites were in slavery for 400+ years of normal life span that you haven't included. And in the spirit of being literal you must include those years in your equation.

Certainly God is first hand information but that really doesn't clear up if the accounts are literal or not. We also should not start suspecting that Moses compiled other written accounts because the text does not say so. The Hebrews are an oral culture and the ones in Egypt had no leader and no organised system of faith with very limited knowledge of who God was. Their ability to preserve a written account would have been very difficult.

My point, again, was that the "broken telephone" theory and it's use in fabricating a tale that the history of the earth from Adam and all it's events was just a story passed from generation to generation and is all messed up due to the "broken Telephone" scenario.... is false.

The length of time people lived to, in those days, compresses the number of people who knew the truth of the history and told it to another, by a huge factor.

Just think about it for a second.... Jacob could have talked directly to Shem...... Does that not blow your mind?

Does that not change the whole dynamics of how history was passed on?????

 

[JackRT]

Only the apostate churches teach the ToE.

In your wisdom that would account for a sizable majority of Christians.

 

[LadyCrosstalk]

We lost power right in the middle of my response so I'll try again.

The question was asked if respondents believed that the universe is older than the earth. Some thoughts:

Time is irrelevant to an immortal God. Time is a creation of our Creator and is a boundary for our mortality. We don't even understand that mystery, so isn't it a bit presumptuous to tell God that we have "knowledge" which contradicts what He has told us in Scripture?