Why do some Christians believe homosexual sin is worse than others?

[Tetra]

Hermeneutics is generally no more than a recent excuse/tool for defending false doctrine.

Note, I'm not defending any doctrine here... just pointing out the poor use of scripture.

I mean, I don't think I have heard a Biblical scholar suggest in Romans 1 Christ is teaching us that all homosexuality is a choice... I'm sorry, that's a first for me.

 

[jerrygab2]

I'm not attempting to explain definitions away to justify sin or anything, just suggesting three possible options for how attraction occurs in the thread I linked.

It just seems like people enjoy saying the only option is that they "chose" to be attracted to the same sex. I don't think that's the only possibility is all.

We all chose to sin or not to.

 

[Tetra]

We all chose to sin or not to.

This is very true.

 

[jerrygab2]

Just as we can choose adultery, fornication, anything even being a homosexual

 

[Tetra]

Just as we can choose adultery, fornication, anything even being a homosexual

I suppose the difference is that adultery and fornication require action. Being a homosexual does not. So while having it be a "choice" is possible, I don't think it's probable. I mean, I don't recall "choosing" being a heterosexual.

 

[jerrygab2]

I suppose the difference is that adultery and fornication require action. Being a homosexual does not. So while having it be a "choice" is possible, I don't think it's probable. I mean, I don't recall "choosing" being a heterosexual.

God created us to be with the opposite sex, same sex can not reproduce. Satan came in and makes sin look like someone never chose to be that way, the truth is anything we do against how God designed us is a choice

 

[Tetra]

God created us to be with the opposite sex, same sex can not reproduce. Satan came in and makes sin look like someone never chose to be that way, the truth is anything we do against how God designed us is a choice

I'm confused here, you realize you don't have to do anything to be a homosexual right? Being a homosexual is simply finding the same-sex sexually attractive, it requires no "doing".

 

[Kenny'sID]

Note, I'm not defending any doctrine here... just pointing out the poor use of scripture.

You kind of are, but that wasn't really the intention of my post...it was only to speak against Hermeneutics. Also, very little of that is directed at you, it's just that I've seen some use that to the hilt, as an excuse to take the Bible completely out of context.

I mean, I don't think I have heard a Biblical scholar suggest in Romans 1 Christ is teaching us that all homosexuality is a choice... I'm sorry, that's a first for me.

It's a first for me as well, but I don't see the problem with it. I think these "firsts" come up because it's the first time some of this stuff is considered...meaning just because thar particular meaning to the verse has never been brought up, doesn't necessarily mean it can't mean that.

 

[jerrygab2]

I'm confused here, you realize you don't have to do anything to be a homosexual right? Being a homosexual is simply finding the same-sex sexually attractive, it requires no "doing".

Everything we do against how God designed us is a choice. There is no gay gene there is a sin choice

 

[BornAgainChristian1]

God created us to be with the opposite sex, same sex can not reproduce. Satan came in and makes sin look like someone never chose to be that way, the truth is anything we do against how God designed us is a choice

The problem is one would have to know what God declared sin to acknowledge it as sin. And that can only be accomplished by having the presence of the Holy Spirit to show us what God declared sin. Therefore those that propagate and or support the sin of homosexuality are in fact calling God a liar and declaring satan as their god.

 

[Tetra]

Everything we do against how God designed us is a choice. There is no gay gene there is a sin choice

See bolded text above... There is no doing to be a homosexual. I don't get what you mean.

 

[jerrygab2]

See bolded text above... There is no doing to be a homosexual. I don't get what you mean.

Yes there is. You want it not to be a choice but homosexuality is a sin and all sin is a choice. Taken to you logical conclusion I could rob a bank and say I didn't choose it was natural.

 

[S.O.J.I.A.]

obviously your friends were being inconsistent in their stance against sin.

quite unfortunate for their believing testimony.

 

[BroIgnatius]

I'm confused here, you realize you don't have to do anything to be a homosexual right? Being a homosexual is simply finding the same-sex sexually attractive, it requires no "doing".

This is not about being homosexual, this is about acting it out sexually. It is not sin to be a homosexual, it is a sin to have homosexual sex. Homosexuals are human beings and like all human beings can control their passions. Being a homosexual does not require one to have sex. The same goes for the single heterosexual person.

 

[Tetra]

This is not about being homosexual, this is about acting it out sexually. It is not sin to be a homosexual, it is a sin to have homosexual sex. Homosexuals are human beings and like all human beings can control their passions. Being a homosexual does not require one to have sex. The same goes for the single heterosexual person.

I don't have an issue with what you wrote... that guy jerry above does... lol He keeps saying simply having an attraction is a choice.

 

[BornAgainChristian1]

This is not about being homosexual, this is about acting it out sexually. It is not sin to be a homosexual, it is a sin to have homosexual sex. Homosexuals are human beings and like all human beings can control their passions. Being a homosexual does not require one to have sex. The same goes for the single heterosexual person.

Sin has nothing to do with the action but in fact is committed within the heart long before the action.

Matthew 15:191599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
19 For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false testimonies, slanders.

 

[JESUS=G.O.A.T]

I work with two Christians who seem to think that homosexual sin is worse than others. Let me give you a quick backstory to what I'm talking about. I work in a bakery for 5 years and the bakery has three cake decorators 2 of them are Christians. We had a gay couple place a order for a wedding cake. Both of cake decorators who are Christians refused to make the wedding cake for the gay couple. They told the owner they will not make a wedding cake for people who live in sin and marriage is between a man and woman. The non-christian cake decorated made the wedding cake...so no problem.

Here is my issue both cake decorators have made cakes that involved people living in sin. For example they made a 5 year anniversary cake for a straight couple. One of the decorators asked if they plan on getting married? The man ordering the cake told her that he doesn't believe in marriage because its tied to religion and doesn't plan on ever getting married. So the christian decorator had no issues making that cake. If i'm correct these two people would be living in sin?

My last example is a man who divorced his wife and married her sister (his sister in law). First time he got married he used our bakery as well as the second time. If I'm correct the couple getting married would also be living in sin?

So the two Christians who I work with seem to think that the sin of homosexuals is worse than normal sin. I pointed out to one of the decorators that she is not performing the marriage ceremony she is just making a cake. She told me that by making the cake she would be helping them take part in sin. I debated with both decorators that sin is sin. The way both of them talked it seems like being gay is the worse sin of all. I pointed out about the guy divorcing his wife and they told me that being gay is worse than being divorced.

I personally believe that making a cake for someone isn't a big deal and I am a Christian. It's not like I'm performing the marriage ceremony. Am I wrong to think its not a big deal to make a wedding cake for a gay couple. A few other Christians I spoke to about this seem to think that being gay is almost as bad as murder! I tried to explain that sin is sin and they didn't seem to understand.

Just so everyone knows I believe being gay is a sin and is wrong. But if sin is sin why make this one seem so much worse?

I was wondering what's everyone's view on this?

I think the following are why people make gayness seem much worse than the other sins. And like you I believe yeah it's a sin.

1. homophobia

2. The recent uh national gay marriage thing (2015) it's more of a recent blowup media phenomenon this whole LGBT thing.

3. To some it is more gross and repulsive then the others. (besides maybe murder idk)

4. Some sadly look for excuses to excuse other sins by highlighting this one.

 

[2X4]

ALL FLESH can be redeemed by the Law as transformed by Christ's substitutionary presence and an individuals' belief.

The law was meant to preserve ones relation to God, the opposite of death.

No flesh of Man will make it out of this generation. Only the Spirit of MAN created in the IMAGE of GOD will remain after ALL flesh has perished. Unspiritual MAN don't know who they are yet.

 

[Tetra]

You kind of are, but that wasn't really the intention of my post...it was only to speak against Hermeneutics. Also, very little of that is directed at you, it's just that I've seen some use that to the hilt, as an excuse to take the Bible completely out of context.

I don't recall making any explicit doctrinal claims in this thread. I suppose I just inferred you may have been talking to me, I realize not everything is about me, and apologize.

It's a first for me as well, but I don't see the problem with it. I think these "firsts" come up because it's the first time some of this stuff is considered...meaning just because thar particular meaning to the verse has never been brought up, doesn't necessarily mean it can't mean that.

I agree, no issue with it simply being a "first". I suppose I took issue with the authority in which it was claimed... especially because I think we can break this down logically.

It's Paul speaking to us in Romans 1, not Jesus as she claimed.

Even if we allow for the example in Romans 1 to be viewed as a "choice", Paul's describing actions:
"Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error."
(woman exchanged, men lusted, men committed)

She leveraged this scripture to suggest being a homosexual is a choice. However, being a homosexual requires no action. In the verse above, it's depicting action.

Consider as well, even if I concede it was a choice in Romans 1, it doesn't mean just because the Romans in this description chose, that now everyone for all time is "choosing". It could simply be the description of the events as they took place then.

I honestly believe it was an intentional misinterpretation to make one's worldview coherent. I don't know if it's the case, but it seems that way for sure.

 

[2X4]

Homosexuality is no worse then the people who sit back and gossip about the homosexuals. No worse than the liars who say one thing to your face and talk bad about you behind your back. The people who sit in judgement, pointing out the speck in your eye when they have a beam in their eye. Judge not lest you be judged. Homosexuality is not right but it is also not right to sit in judgement of any sinner. I knew a homosexual who was the choir director at church for 20 years. Came in every Sunday never missed a day and never took a pay check. How can people gossip about him when they are on the hone all night gossiping about every member of the church and come in on Sunday with a wikid hangover from drinking all night. We all struggle and no sin is special but murder.

Isaiah 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

Deuteronomy 32
39: "`See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god beside me; I kill and I make alive; I wound and I heal; and there is none that can deliver out of my hand.