The path to deception is easy and wide and swift ..

[Alithis]

The path to Deception is easy and swift .

It is foretold of a time of great Deception and the falling away of the church into apostasy which has already been taking place this last 40 years at an accelerating speed .

it is also written that that deception would fool even the elect "if it were possible "
So how is it that the deception fools yet cant fool ? it appears to be a contradiction .

But we see here a stark warning in the word and more then one time ..

Jesus said -"As for anyone who HEARS MY WORDS and does not keep them, I do not judge him. For I have not come to judge the world, but to save the world. There is a judge for the one who rejects Me and does not receive My words: The word that I have spoken will judge him on the last day.…

Jesus Also said -But everyone who hears these words of Mine AND DOES NOT ACT ON THEM,is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. The rain fell, the torrents raged, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell—and great was its collapse!”…

James writes -" Therefore, get rid of all moral filth and every expression of evil, and humbly receive the word planted in you, which can save your souls. Be DOERS of the word, and NOT HEARERS ONLY. Otherwise, YOU ARE DECEIVING YOURSELVES ....."

John writes "My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but IN DEED and in truth.”

so here is a great warning .. When we KNOW ABOUT the truth .. but do not DO the truth , when we KNOW THE COMMAND but do not OBEY the command but convince ourselves we are "ok" because we are ones who know about it . we have already chosen to deceive ourselves by choosing disobedience and so display we DO NOT LOVE the lord JESUS.
For he said ..if you love me you will keep MY commands -and that simply means if you love me you will do what I tell you to do .

to escape this great deception ,which is already falling increasingly upon the world ,is very very simple.

REPENT of your disobedience and go out and DO what he has commanded us to do .Show him you love him . for we see in the word that it is the DOING of the truth which displays we are live IN the truth and are there fore the ELECT .. for many are called but few are chosen and those who ARE chosen are simply those that step forward to DO what they are being called to do and the ministry of reconciliation is given to ALL BELIEVERS-those that refuse to go and preach the gospel are simply those who refuse to answer gods call. and they do not DO his will and are already deceived making for themselves much excuse and carnal reasoning .

OBEY The Lord your GOD, for if you refuse to , he is neither your lord nor your God! and you will certainly remain in that deception and you will certainly perish in it .
For the spirit of this world is at work in the children of "Disobedience and if we are not obeying the lord Jesus then that includes "us".
Say not to yourselves we have this tradition and that tradition this doctrine or that doctrine we belong to this denomination or that .. .. your denominations and traditions
will not save you .
repent and obey the lord Jesus .

He has never changed his message .
The swiftest path to deception is the road of Disobedience .

 

[John Hyperspace]

The path to Deception is easy and swift .

Agreed.

so here is a great warning .. When we KNOW ABOUT the truth .. but do not DO the truth , when we KNOW THE COMMAND but do not OBEY the command but convince ourselves we are "ok" because we are ones who know about it . we have already chosen to deceive ourselves by choosing disobedience and so display we DO NOT LOVE the lord JESUS.
For he said ..if you love me you will keep MY commands -and that simply means if you love me you will do what I tell you to do .

Could you list the commands we must keep, as to not be damned? I take it firstly that by "keep" we are not meaning "guard" but, actually physically perform, or, not perform these commands.

 

[Alithis]

Agreed.



Could you list the commands we must keep, as to not be damned? I take it firstly that by "keep" we are not meaning "guard" but, actually physically perform, or, not perform these commands.

GO ..heal the Sick .Preach the gospel ,Drive out demons ,Raise the dead ,baptizing people in My name .make more disciples.....

Always begin with the basics-i'm weary of people who immediately leap into the ambiguous when they must step over the obvious to do so .

 

[John Hyperspace]

GO ..heal the Sick .Preach the gospel ,Drive out demons ,Raise the dead ,baptizing people in My name .make more disciples.....

Always begin with the basics-i'm weary of people who immediately leap into the ambiguous when they must step over the obvious to do so .

I understand. When you say, "heal the sick, drive out demons, raise the dead, baptizing people" I ask you, as I understand these things, they are done spiritually: that meaning, through Christ I do these things by teaching others how to understand the bible; thus, not physically healing the physical sick, but spiritually healing the spiritually sick; not physically raising the physical dead; but through teaching, spiritually raising the spiritually dead.

Do you advise I should literally do these things?

 

[Alithis]

I understand. When you say, "heal the sick, drive out demons, raise the dead, baptizing people" I ask you, as I understand these things, they are done spiritually: that meaning, through Christ I do these things by teaching others how to understand the bible; thus, not physically healing the physical sick, but spiritually healing the spiritually sick; not physically raising the physical dead; but through teaching, spiritually raising the spiritually dead.

Do you advise I should literally do these things?

you are kidding yes ? making a joke yes ?'

a disciple is "a student " one who is learning to do and become what his master is.
thus he said the disciple is not above his master but becomes like his master .

oF course it means to literally go and heal the sick and preach the Gospel ...
we do it every time we go out and find people in pain ..pray for them and they are healed .. what use is faith if it has not outward action to aid people . what on earth have you been getting taught ?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

So how is it that the deception fools yet cant fool ? it appears to be a contradiction .

YHWH'S WORD says clearly.
I don't think we are allowed to tell.

 

[Alithis]

YHWH'S WORD says clearly.
I don't think we are allowed to tell.

that is a bit cryptic what do you mean ?

 

[Kenny'sID]

But what if I'm OSAS?...aren't I saved by grace alone and in essence, can act however I like as long as I say I've accepted Christ? Or am I deceived with that way of thinking?

 

[DawnStar]

a deciple is "a student " one who is learning to do and become what his master is.

I have no idea what a deciple is but if you are talking about a DISCIPLE then I agree.

 

[Kenny'sID]

I have no idea what a deciple is but if you are talking about a DISCIPLE then I agree.

Of course you have an idea what it is...a very good idea.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I have no idea what a deciple is but if you are talking about a DISCIPLE then I agree.

Rmember Jesus said "you must beomce like little childrne...
a deciple is a little diciple ...
(besides: spelling is atrocious, has gotten tremendously worse, nation wide for the last 30 or 40 or more years)

 

[Alithis]

I have no idea what a deciple is but if you are talking about a DISCIPLE then I agree.

the digs at typos are uncalled for when the meaning of a statement is clearly evident

 

[Alithis]

But what if I'm OSAS?...aren't I saved by grace alone and in essence, can act however I like as long as I say I've accepted Christ? Or am I deceived with that way of thinking?

you had to go there lol?

the more i look into that topic ,the more i am convinced that those who 'say' they are saved .. but do not walk in obedience, are simply still among the disobedient (those at enmity to god )and not yet saved at all . deluded , but not saved .
I base this on 1 john 3 where he clearly states this is how we know who are the children of God and who are the children of the devil .

 

[Kenny'sID]

you had to go there lol?

I'm a stinker sometimes.

the more i look into that topic ,the more i am convinced that those who 'say' they are saved .. but do not walk in obedience and simply still among the disobedient (those at enmity to god )and not yet saved at all . deluded , but not saved .
I base this on 1 john 3 where he clearly states this is how we know who are the children of God and who are the children of the devil .

Couldn't agree more.

And I guess my point was, that is probably one of, if not the greatest deception of the time you mention, at least IMO, and I feel compelled to take every opportunity possible to get people to see that. I would even beg them to see it if I thought it would do any good, but once people decide they are going to do as they want and then latch on to the very thing they think allows them to have their cake and eat it too, it's hard to pry them away from it.

 

[Kenny'sID]

GO ..heal the Sick .Preach the gospel ,Drive out demons ,Raise the dead ,baptizing people in My name .make more disciples.....

Always begin with the basics-i'm weary of people who immediately leap into the ambiguous when they must step over the obvious to do so .

My personal belief is everyone cannot heal or cast out demons, and not every Christian must baptize others, and raise the dead? not me, not qualified . Anyone here ever done that?

I take the Scripture about the rich man to mean a lot in this area. Christ told him if he wanted to be "perfect" to go sell all, give it to the poor and follow him. IOW give it all up. To me, that would be to be a disciple, and very likely be given Gods power to do the things I just mentioned. Or the ultimate of what we can do.

On the other hand, Jesus told him if he wanted just to be saved, to follow the commandments. There is also the scripture about the Sheep and the Goats, in that it is a necessity we take care of the poor. then Jesus' two great commandments.

So, the commandments, spread the word, be and example, take care of the poor and if you feel you have opportunity to do any of the things a disciple might do, go for it. Just saying that f we can't raise the dead and such, we are still OK.

Just make a serious attempt. If we mess up, repent, ask forgiveness and move on. The way it's worked for me is a serious attempt will eventually bring it all together and get us where we want to be..

 

[Alithis]

My personal belief is everyone cannot heal or cast out demons, and not every Christian must baptize others, and raise the dead? not me, not qualified . Anyone here ever done that?

I take the Scripture about the rich man to mean a lot in this area. Christ told him if he wanted to be "perfect" to go sell all, give it to the poor and follow him. IOW give it all up. To me, that would be to be a disciple, and very likely be given Gods power to do the things I just mentioned. Or the ultimate of what we can do.

On the other hand, Jesus told him if he wanted just to be saved, to follow the commandments. There is also the scripture about the Sheep and the Goats, in that it is a necessity we take care of the poor. then Jesus' two great commandments.

So, the commandments, spread the word, be and example, take care of the poor and if you feel you have opportunity to do any of the things a disciple might do, go for it. Just saying that f we can't raise the dead and such, we are still OK.

Just make a serious attempt. If we mess up, repent, ask forgiveness and move on. The way it's worked for me is a serious attempt will eventually bring it all together and get us where we want to be..

This kind of reasoning is why the church has no power .

There is no qualification to obeying the great commission. You repent,you get baptized in water and you receive the Holy Spirit.then you Go and obey God.
The ministry of reconciliation is given to All believers.

Scripture states there is only one reason people do not receive what He has promised ..."unbelief"
I cannot heal but Jesus told us to do so in his name.
So today i laid my hand on a lady with pain in her hip in Jesus name and the pain went. We simply obey.
The reason many dont,is fear and unbelief and the FALSE teaching that only ministers or pastors can do it. When it is the same holy spirit who does it..not us.any one who has the holy spirit can begin today to walk in his will.

 

[Kenny'sID]

This kind of reasoning is why the church has no power .

There is no qualification to obeying the great commission. You repent,you get baptizd in water and you recieve the HolySpirit.then you Go and obey God.
The ministry of reconciliation is given to All believers.

Scripture states there is only one reason people do not refieve whatHod has promised ..."unbelief"
I cannot heal but Jesus told us to do so in his name.
So today i laid my hand on a lady with pain in her hip in Jesus name and the pain went. We simply obey.
The reason many dont,is fear and unbelief and the FALSE teaching that only ministers or pastors can do it. When it is the same holy spirit who does it..not us.any one who has the holy spirit can begin today to walk in his will.

Did I not say to do all those things if you have the opportunity? Who said only ministers and pastors could do it? What I quoted was biblical and from Christ himself, but you are actually saying, you know better?

I'm afraid you just mounted your high horse, made false accusations and got a bit out of line my friend.

Have you brought anyone back to life? The very thing you told us to do? And are telling us if we don't, we are the reason the church has no power?

 

[Alithis]

Did I not say to do all those things if you have the opportunity? Who said only ministers and pastors could do it? What I quoted was biblical and from Christ himself, but you are actually saying, you know better?

I'm afraid you just mounted your high horse, made false accusations and got a bit out of line my friend.

Have you brought anyone back to life? The very thing you told us to do? And are telling us if we don't, we are the reason the church has no power?

actually you said "My personal belief is everyone cannot heal or cast out demons, and not every Christian must baptize others, and raise the dead? not me, not qualified . Anyone here ever done that?"
yes i know people that do that weekly and some daily ,though the opportunity to raise the dead is not common it has certainly been done by every day normal believers who have the Holy Spirit ,
but you see you superimposed "your personal belief " over top of the word of God ,, but why ? does the word of god change simply because you have a belief differing to it ? if he says go and do it .. why do you think it does not apply to "you'

 

[DawnStar]

the digs at typos are uncalled for when the meaning of a statement is clearly evident

Sorry but it appears it was not a typo and was not a dig. A typo is an accidental stroke of a key. You consistently spell it wrong. I was just pointing it out. By the way you may want to check the spelling of that word underneath your avatar.
As for me I believe healing is still done in Jesus name. But it is in secret and not bragged about on a forum or any other media. I question anyone who openly declares themselves a healer and I automatically label them a charlatan.

 

[DawnStar]

(besides: spelling is atrocious, has gotten tremendously worse, nation wide for the last 30 or 40 or more years)

Agreed. And thin skinned people do not help matters any when they get upset if you point out to them that they are consistently spelling a word wrong.