Career Women - So far from what God intended

[Mountain_Girl406]

So if a woman doesn't have children, what should she do with her time? What should she learn growing up, regardless of whether she has kids or not in the future? What should she do if she has children when they are off on their own?

GeorgiaGuy I noticed you didn't answer the second part of my question. If you have daughters. do you believe they should be educated as your sons would be?

 

[RedPonyDriver]

So if a woman doesn't have children, what should she do with her time? What should she learn growing up, regardless of whether she has kids or not in the future? What should she do if she has children when they are off on their own?

GeorgiaGuy I noticed you didn't answer the second part of my question. If you have daughters. do you believe they should be educated as your sons would be?

She should probably just learn how to make tea cozies and then feed all the stray cats in the neighborhood. It's funny, I had a career (probably going back to work soon, retirement is BORING), and I still cooked, cleaned, sewed, worked out, active in church and other community causes.
Oh...and the cooking thing? FROM SCRATCH...because...how do Latinas spell love? F-O-O-D. I baked bread, made tortillas (harina y maize), all sorts of good stuff...my husband's ONLY complaint about my cooking is the mess I leave behind when I'm done. Funny how being a "career woman" didn't stop me from doing all that wifely stuff too...Ok...so the bread baking usually has to wait for a weekend because it's too time consuming on a weeknight...

 

[Mountain_Girl406]

She should probably just learn how to make tea cozies and then feed all the stray cats in the neighborhood. It's funny, I had a career (probably going back to work soon, retirement is BORING), and I still cooked, cleaned, sewed, worked out, active in church and other community causes.
Oh...and the cooking thing? FROM SCRATCH...because...how do Latinas spell love? F-O-O-D. I baked bread, made tortillas (harina y maize), all sorts of good stuff...my husband's ONLY complaint about my cooking is the mess I leave behind when I'm done. Funny how being a "career woman" didn't stop me from doing all that wifely stuff too...Ok...so the bread baking usually has to wait for a weekend because it's too time consuming on a weeknight...

Sounds a bit like me,work full time, raise kids, cook, clean, and find the time somehow to play in the symphony, run and lift, and even take classes towards doctorate 2. I can't imagine what I would do just sitting home all day.

 

[RedPonyDriver]

Sounds a bit like me,work full time, raise kids, cook, clean, and find the time somehow to play in the symphony, run and lift, and even take classes towards doctorate 2. I can't imagine what I would do just sitting home all day.

I found out what sitting home all day is like...BORING!! I can't stand the boredom...I thought I'd enjoy being retired but the truth is that I'm bored out of my mind. Seriously out of my mind. After about 6 months of this, I'm ready to go back to work. Its not just the money, it's the having something to do.

 

[fat wee robin]

Career Women - So far from what God intended
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Womens Page/career_women.htm

by David J. Stewart

1st Timothy 6:10, “For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.”

I mean no unkindness to anyone, sincerely. I know there are many hardworking women who have applied themselves to become successful in a career.

However, the Bible says what it says. God hasn't changed. God's Word hasn't changed. The world has certainly changed in many ways over the past 2,000 years, but God is still the same (Malachi 3:6). God desires for women to be mothers, and care for the home.

1st Timothy 5:14 tells us what God's will is concerning younger women... “I will therefore that the younger women marry, bear children, guide the house, give none occasion to the adversary to speak reproachfully. For some are already turned aside after Satan.” Here we notice 4-things:

1. Get married
2. Bear children
3. Guide the house
4. Stay out of trouble

That's it. That's what God wants for young women. 1st Timothy 5:15 tells us that women who fail to obey these divine priorities have turned aside after Satan.

It is tragic that being a homemaker has become so despised nowadays, which is frowned down upon by career-minded women. Feminism has engineered women in America. A stay-at-home-mom is often viewed by career women as being a slave, a victim and having no life. The problem is that American society has deteriorated to the point where motherhood is no longer considered an honor and privilege. Many feminists view children as a nuisance, a hindrance to personal success; thus, many blinded women have chosen not to get married, not to bear children and not to guide the house. It is evil.

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I have no time for the David Stewart because he was found guilty of ......
But in general I agree with what you say and think that society is on the edge of precipice
Myself I went to work and regret doing so as it damaged me and my child . It is something you cannot get back again your babies Young years ,and the terrible stress of dropping them off at nursery and then you are tired and buy quick ready meals . Looking back it was the worst decision I have ever made as my now dead husband was a distant parent too and if there is one regret in my life it is that .
I should at least have waited until they were much older but coming from poverty of money not culture I thought I needed a nicer place to live and so on but while you can have many years to live you cannot get back those lost years .
Young women who work when it is not a matter of life and death ,if they can manage at all to scherish their Young for at least the first years will gain in the long run as you have no regrets and your beloved children will grow up happier and with a basis of secure love the foundation of life .
Yes, there is going to be much 'wailing gnashing of teeth ' from the women who put off having good foundation's for the shallow materialistic pleasures which pass ,while love of a family and children is is of 'eternal life' .

 

[RedPonyDriver]

Young years ,and the terrible stress of dropping them off at nursery and then you are tired and buy quick ready meals .

I have never, ever understood this. My mom worked full time, there were 5 of us kids. She cooked dinner every night. I don't have any kids, but I manage to cook dinner every night, maybe make a few meals to freeze on the weekend so they can just be heated up later, bake bread, make tortillas, frijoles, salsa, etc. My career field is stressful, sometimes calls for long hours, travel, I survived, my husband survived, even my cats survived.

Yeah, us kids had chores...mom didn't do all the housework herself, but that's just common sense. She taught all of us to be able to take care of a home, cook, do laundry, all that stuff (yes, even my brothers learned). Now, I hate housework with a passion...fortunately my husband doesn't...so he does it! I cook and do laundry, and occasionally iron.

Why did I work? Mostly because it was the best use of my talents and abilities...not much call for engineering and math sitting at home...not to mention my parents would have lost their collective minds if I had thrown away my education. And...going to college was NEVER a question growing up. The questions were "where do you want to go?" and "what do you want to major in?". I went to a large university back east because that's where one of my heroes went to school for undergrad, and to another top tier school for grad school. I don't regret a minute of it (well, except for taking dynamics, physics 2, thermo and chem 2 all in the same semester)...

 

[quatona]

So if a woman doesn't have children, what should she do with her time?

She should wait - that´s what the OP clearly said.

What should she learn growing up, regardless of whether she has kids or not in the future?

Who says a woman needs to be educated? That´s entirely beyond her competence.
That´s why a woman needs a husband: to tell her what to think.

What should she do if she has children when they are off on their own?

Cleaning, housekeeping, being a convenience to her husband. That´s not hard to understand, is it?

 

[RDKirk]

Wow, I was not aware of Proverbs 31; that scripture alone discounts what he believes about women. Also, I should note that in most translations (except the KJV) the passage he quotes from in 1 Timothy 5 is speaking to young widows, not young women in general. This agrees with the context because Paul was talking about widows who became idle and good for nothing:

1 Timothy 5:13-14
At the same time they also learn to be idle, as they go around from house to house; and not merely idle, but also gossips and busybodies, talking about things not proper to mention. Therefore, I want younger widows to get married, bear children, keep house, and give the enemy no occasion for reproach;

Context is king.

Not just Proverbs 31, but also Acts 16:

Then, setting sail from Troas, we ran a straight course to Samothrace, the next day to Neapolis, and from there to Philippi, a Roman colony, which is a leading city of that district of Macedonia. We stayed in that city for a number of days.

On the Sabbath day we went outside the city gate by the river, where we thought there was a place of prayer. We sat down and spoke to the women gathered there. A woman named Lydia, a dealer in purple cloth from the city of Thyatira, who worshiped God, was listening. The Lord opened her heart to pay attention to what was spoken by Paul.

After she and her household were baptized, she urged us, “If you consider me a believer in the Lord, come and stay at my house.” And she persuaded us.

I would point out that "...Philippi, a Roman colony" has significant historical importance. Philippi had been established as a haven for the Roman legions who had served under Mark Anthony and had been defeated by Caesar Octavius about 80 years earlier. Rather than executing the soldiers, Octavius allowed them to settle in the at-the-time abandoned Greek city of Philippi.

As an official Roman colony (inhabited by Roman citizens rather than Greeks), it also came directly under any imperial decrees upon Rome...such as Caesar Claudius' expulsion of Jews from Rome in 49 AD. That expulsion applied as well to Philippi, which is why Paul found no Jews there.

Because this was a Roman colony inhabited by Romans following Roman customs, only Romans above the rank of tribune were permitted to wear purple. Thus, Lydia was not merely a cloth dealer, she was a high-end cloth dealer--her business was specifically with the very high-caste members of Philippian society.

 

[Sketcher]

That whole site is a Poe.

 

[Locutus]

Sounds a bit like me,work full time, raise kids, cook, clean, and find the time somehow to play in the symphony, run and lift, and even take classes towards doctorate 2. I can't imagine what I would do just sitting home all day.

I'm 'at home all day', and I can't find enough hours to do what I need and want to do. I literally work 16 hours a day.

 

[Locutus]

I found out what sitting home all day is like...BORING!! I can't stand the boredom...I thought I'd enjoy being retired but the truth is that I'm bored out of my mind. Seriously out of my mind. After about 6 months of this, I'm ready to go back to work. Its not just the money, it's the having something to do.

I crave a little boredom, and I've been 'retired' for 15 years. I'm not sure how retired people find the time for it. Just keeping up the supply of fruit and vegetables for a family of 5 is a full time job - without adding in volunteer work, financial wrangling, small business tending, property management, kids education, social life, cooking from scratch, daily hiking and/or mountain biking, dogs, chickens, scavenging, recycling, straw-bale building, studying, activism, family activities, etc etc.

 

[dogs4thewin]

The love of money is the root of all evil does not mean that people should not aspire to do well for themselves. I once asked my uncle who is a very strong Christian how much money was too much. His answer was when you start putting your trust in your money. In other words, some people a penny is too much but there are millionires who do not have too much money. As for career women, two points first today ( depending on your job and the kind of life you want it is important to have two incomes. Second, not everyone WANTS children and there are a NUMBER of reasons for that. I know for myself I do not feel I could properly care for children given my own health and limitations. It is better not to have children than to have children you do not want.

There is less to do at home now as well, at least as it relates to time consuming tasks. With all due respect, the mere fact that you were able to start this thread is prove of that. People do not use washboards. People do not need to spend as much time ( preparing food once it is prepared between being able to cook in bulk and going to stores if you do not garden, but even those who do have better ways of preserving food. Times have changed.

Additionally, people are HAVING fewer children ( on average) which means that after just a few years you are not really caring for them as education is still REQUIRED to a point.

 

[RedPonyDriver]

I crave a little boredom, and I've been 'retired' for 15 years. I'm not sure how retired people find the time for it. Just keeping up the supply of fruit and vegetables for a family of 5 is a full time job - without adding in volunteer work, financial wrangling, small business tending, property management, kids education, social life, cooking from scratch, daily hiking and/or mountain biking, dogs, chickens, scavenging, recycling, straw-bale building, studying, activism, family activities, etc etc.

No kids, small apartment here. I did intentionally make sure I didn't get involved in a whole lot when I retired...I needed to decompress for a bit...the last few years had been VERY stressful and I just wanted time where there were no demands on me at all...but now I'm ready to go back into the wild world of engineering.

 

[AHH who-stole-my-name]

Speaking the Word of God is not wrong. You must think that you know more than God.

I would be quite careful as to how you assume you know better what God's intent was. Didn't, during the accuisition time when property was allotted out to the Children of Israel, that portions of the promised land were given to unwed women. Wasn't there a case where a women had fled her home because of a drout and upon returning found the land occupied. Did she then go to the king and the land returned to her.

This thing about women in careers being sinful is ridiculous. Wasn't there female judges during the time before saul?

 

[Locutus]

No kids, small apartment here. I did intentionally make sure I didn't get involved in a whole lot when I retired...I needed to decompress for a bit...the last few years had been VERY stressful and I just wanted time where there were no demands on me at all...but now I'm ready to go back into the wild world of engineering.

Ah yes, that would make a difference! I have 3 kids, live in a village, on a small farm, with food crops and animals, in a mountain wilderness, about an hour from a big city. I basically have everything that could be wanted for diversions - and far too much to do!

 

[dogs4thewin]

I would be quite careful as to how you assume you know better what God's intent was. Didn't, during the accuisition time when property was allotted out to the Children of Israel, that portions of the promised land were given to unwed women. Wasn't there a case where a women had fled her home because of a drout and upon returning found the land occupied. Did she then go to the king and the land returned to her.

This thing about women in careers being sinful is ridiculous. Wasn't there female judges during the time before saul?

that and again time has advanced. Even Christianity has advanced in terms of women's rights.

 

[Truthfrees]

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[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

I am supporting my wife and children. My wife stays home and takes care of the children and things of the home.

Yes, but if you want to preach you belief. Expect to pay for other Christians woman, that their husband, that died or ran off.

 

[RedPonyDriver]

And these patriarchy types are the first to condemn a single woman who is on welfare...yet they won't shell out a nickel to help this woman and her children...

Unbelievable. The idea of "stay at home" mothers is from the upper middle classes of the Victorian era...Women have WORKED for centuries, whether it be at home, in a factory or in an office. Only people of a certain social class had the financial ability to have mommy stay home with her little darlings. The rest of the world...not so much. This became an ideal after WW2 here in the US when the men came home home from the war and could find a job that paid enough for mommy to stay home (See: June Cleaver). BOTH my parents worked their backsides off so us kids could live the "American Dream"...Their hard work (collectively) made it possible for them to go from a one bedroom apartment in Little Havana to the sprawling ranch house we finished growing up in...and my mom constantly fussing (in spanglish) that our driveway looked like a used car lot. As the only girl, my parents made sure that I could support myself without a spouse. I was not some little shrinking latina violet who needed to be taken care of...my brothers made sure I was tough enough to defend myself, and fix my own darn car. I am so glad they pushed me...because little did I know that 12 years into my marriage my husband would get so sick that he'd have to stop working...who do you think kept us afloat? Yup...that'd be me. If not for that, we'd have been forced to live on just his little disability check and government benefits.

So...this idea is unreal, stinks and a few other words that I can't use here...so I'll end with this: The most ridiculous idea I've heard in a long time...and I've heard some wild ones!

 

[Mountain_Girl406]

Ah yes, that would make a difference! I have 3 kids, live in a village, on a small farm, with food crops and animals, in a mountain wilderness, about an hour from a big city. I basically have everything that could be wanted for diversions - and far too much to do!

The point I was making, though, is what does the childless woman do while living at home with her parents while waiting on that spouse, or after the children have moved out, or if she stays single. ...if working is out of the question.