Calvinism, explained.

[Thursday]

The perfect illustration of the of your ideology.

So sad.

 

[tulipbee]

The perfect illustration of the of your ideology.

So sad.

God still saves

 

[Thursday]

God still saves

The God you describe is unjust, unmerciful, and unreasonable.

He does not exist.

God is just, merciful, and reasonable.

 

[EmSw]

All of those references are to God's elect, not everyone. Only His sheep hear His voice. He was not addressing every single person, just His own.

The disciples came to him and asked, “Why do you speak to the people in parables?”

"He replied, “Because the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. 12Whoever has will be given more, and they will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what they have will be taken from them. 13This is why I speak to them in parables:

“Though seeing, they do not see;

though hearing, they do not hear or understand."

No where does it say those references are to God's elect. Matthew 5 is to the multitudes. Matthew 10 is to the disciples, which included Judas.

 

[EmSw]

What a hideous statement. NF said God is not a respecter of persons. And here you show that very thing.

Again, this shows luck to those chosen. I find it strange the photo portrays God as the Caesar of Rome. Just as Caesar cared not for people he destroyed, you are portraying God as the same.

With a belief in that statement, you have effectively kept millions from entering the kingdom. I see no mercy in your theology, and then effectively put the blame on God.

 

[tulipbee]

The God you describe is unjust, unmerciful, and unreasonable.

He does not exist.

God is just, merciful, and reasonable.

Bible said there's only one God. Did you know that?

 

[tulipbee]

What a hideous statement. NF said God is not a respecter of persons. And here you show that very thing.

Again, this shows luck to those chosen. I find it strange the photo portrays God as the Caesar of Rome. Just as Caesar cared not for people he destroyed, you are portraying God as the same.

With a belief in that statement, you have effectively kept millions from entering the kingdom. I see no mercy in your theology, and then effectively put the blame on God.

God doesn't use luck

 

[Thursday]

Bible said there's only one God. Did you know that?

Yes, and he is just.

He judges each man's work impartially.

 

[tulipbee]

Yes, and he is just.

He judges each man's work impartially.

His work has been done which gives his children assurance

 

[EmSw]

God doesn't use luck

Just as it was luck to the survivor that Caesar chose them who live, the same with the God portrayed in Calvinsim.

You can say and convince yourself it isn't luck you are picked, but that doesn't change the fact.

Besides your theology effectively keeps millions from entering the kingdom.

 

[tulipbee]

Just as it was luck to the survivor that Caesar chose them who live, the same with the God portrayed in Calvinsim.

You can say and convince yourself it isn't luck you are picked, but that doesn't change the fact.

Besides your theology effectively keeps millions from entering the kingdom.

No luck is the fact

 

[EmSw]

No luck is the fact

As I said, you can convince yourself all you want. Reason overrides any self-confidence.

Besides, your theology keeps millions from entering the kingdom.

 

[tulipbee]

As I said, you can convince yourself all you want. Reason overrides any self-confidence.

Besides, your theology keeps millions from entering the kingdom.

Holy spirit does the convicting while millions don't care and want to believe

 

[supersoldier71]

Just as it was luck to the survivor that Caesar chose them who live, the same with the God portrayed in Calvinsim.

You can say and convince yourself it isn't luck you are picked, but that doesn't change the fact.

Besides your theology effectively keeps millions from entering the kingdom.

Brother, there you go with that "luck" thing again and it's a pernicious lie!

When you put something in God's hands do you call it luck?

It's silly for you to keep using the term when we have, time and time again explained why your view on this is incorrect.

Calvinists (and I'm not really a full Calvinist) pray for the salvation of their loved ones because they understand that it is in God's hands.

If you DON'T believe that salvation is in God's hands, why do YOU pray for your loved ones?

We pray for grace and mercy from the King of Kings and Lord of Lords.

YOU pray for a winning lottery ticket.

Your arguments are increasingly weak and tired.

 

[Thursday]

His work has been done which gives his children assurance

That's what Calvinists say.

Here's what the bible says:

Acts 10:34
34Opening his mouth, Peter said: "I most certainly understand now that God is not one to show partiality,35but in every nation the man who fears Him and does what is right is welcome to Him.

Romans 2:11
For God does not show favoritism.

1 Tim 2
3This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, 4who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Colossians 3:25
Anyone who does wrong will be repaid for their wrongs, and there is no favoritism.

1 Peter 1:17
Since you call on a Father who judges each person's work impartially, live out your time as foreigners here in reverent fear.

 

[nobdysfool]

Matthew 5:7
Blessed are the merciful, for they will be shown mercy.

God will show mercy to those who are merciful, and yes, you and I have a say in that.

Matthew 10
29 Are not two sparrows sold for a penny? Yet not one of them will fall to the ground outside your Father’s care.
30 And even the very hairs of your head are all numbered.
31 So don’t be afraid; you are worth more than many sparrows.

Yes, we are worth something to God. We have value in God's eyes; we do matter to Him.

Isa 64:6 But we are all as the unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as a menstruation cloth. And we all fade as a leaf, and like the wind our iniquities take us away.

God is not impressed with our good deeds, acts of kindness, whatever, UNLESS we are FIRST one of His, meaning saved.

Actually NF, if God predestines some to heaven and foreordains some to hell, then He is a respecter of persons.

No, you're wrong. He does not choose to save based on anything in them, and He does not predestine anyone to Hell. He doesn't have to predestine the destination of those who are already on their way.

If any man has life within him, and all do, then it is a gift from God. Waking up each morning is a gift from God. Taking each breath is a gift from God. Seeing, talking, hearing, walking, writing, and any other physical action is a gift from God. God is Life Itself, and each man is given life from God. God gives each man a spirit within.

God certainly does show much common grace to all mankind, but that does not obligate Him to do any more than He has already done. All mankind sinned and reduced any value they had by reason of that sin. Just because you don't understand how God can selectively save whom He wills, does not mean that He doesn't, or that He commits evil in doing so, which is your not-so-thinly veiled accusation against Him..

Malachi 2:15

Has not the one God made you? You belong to him in body and spirit.

John 16:15
All that belongs to the Father is mine.

Everyone belongs to God; as such, Jesus said they are mine. To say there is no quality or worth in man is saying God values nothing of His. Is a man's body and spirit worthy of salvation? Since they belong to God, the answer is yes. Each man has worth in God's eyes, yes, more than the sparrows.

You're trying to shift the focus from God to creation. Even if all men have some worth in God's eyes, that STILL does not obligate Him to save them, or to "give them a chance" to be saved, and only serves to show that you don't really understand how Salvation comes about, foolishly thinking that you have a significant part to play in your own salvation.

Do you consider anything which belongs to you as having no worth? If you have children, are they worthy to you? Does your wife have any worth to you? Are your eyes of any value to you? your ears? your tongue? your feet? your hands?

Doesn't matter what is important and of worth to me, because we're not talking about me, or you, or any other human. We are talking about God. Please confine it to that.

 

[Thursday]

God is not impressed with our good deeds acts of kindness, whatever, UNLESS we are FIRST one of His, meaning saved.

Acts 10:34
34Opening his mouth, Peter said: "I most certainly understand now that God is not one to show partiality,35but in every nation the man who fears Him and does what is right is welcome to Him.

Ezekiel 18:32
For I take no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the Sovereign LORD. Repent and live!

Romans 12
1Therefore, I urge you, brothers and sisters, in view of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God—this is your true and proper worship. 2Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will.

 

[nobdysfool]

Acts 10:34
34Opening his mouth, Peter said: "I most certainly understand now that God is not one to show partiality,35but in every nation the man who fears Him and does what is right is welcome to Him.

Ezekiel 18:32
For I take no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the Sovereign LORD. Repent and live!

Romans 12
1Therefore, I urge you, brothers and sisters, in view of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God—this is your true and proper worship. 2Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will.

Nice Scriptures, but they do not address what I was saying. Besides that they were written to Believers.

 

[Thursday]

Nice Scriptures, but they do not address what I was saying. Besides that they were written to Believers.

Acts 10:34
34Opening his mouth, Peter said: "I most certainly understand now that God is not one to show partiality,35but in every nation the man who fears Him and does what is right is welcome to Him.


God does not show partiality. Calvinism is wrong.

 

[Albion]

Agreed.

Man chooses whether to respond with cooperation or rejection of God's grace.

Those who cooperate with God's grace will be saved.

...which is what the Elect do. There are plenty of (other) people for whom the Bible never makes sense no matter how often they're exposed to it.