What it is to be like hating wife?

[Goatee]

Sure, but that is how it should be understood in the context.

How come?

 

[Righttruth]

Scripture does not say what Peter did!

I don't think he multiplied his family as some popes of the past!

 

[Righttruth]

Ok...

So what are Christians following? There are only two choices, it's either Christ or the devil.

They should play subordinate role in the kingdom of God supporting the disciples of Christ.

 

[Righttruth]

Can you name one believer who is/was not weak?

As usual, despite scripture you make your own claims (for which I am certain you will cite the apostle Paul's statement, which he clearly and unambiguously denotes as his own word, and not the Lord's, that it is good for people not to marry) and set them up as the truth.

Therefore I will boast all the more gladly of my weaknesses, that the power of Christ may rest upon me... For when I am weak, then I am strong.

Only the strong spiritually will take up the cross and follow Jesus. It not possible for all; so need to settle for the lower status and responsibility.

 

[Righttruth]

How come?

Discipleship is not cheap! It demands highest degree of sacrifice.

 

[nomadictheist]

Only the strong spiritually will take up the cross and follow Jesus. It not possible for all; so need to settle for the lower status and responsibility.

So Peter didn't take up his cross and follow Jesus? And what of the other apostles that Paul talks about in his epistles who take along believing wives? They didn't either?

You say the "strong spiritually" as though we possess some level of spiritual strength that determines how much God can use us. Was Paul "spiritually stronger" than Peter? Because he never claimed to be.

What does it mean to be "spiritually strong" exactly? I don't recall ever seeing that phrase in the Bible.

 

[civilwarbuff]

I don't think he multiplied his family as some popes of the past!

And again I ask....where is your proof?....which should be scripture. Otherwise it is conjecture......and where did popes come in?

 

[Chriliman]

1 Timothy 4:1-3

 

[civilwarbuff]

1 Timothy 4:1-3

Not sure who you are responding to.....

 

[Chriliman]

Not sure who you are responding to.....

Anyone who's thinking followers of Christ should not marry. The scripture clearly states that belief is wrong to hold.

 

[Righttruth]

So Peter didn't take up his cross and follow Jesus? And what of the other apostles that Paul talks about in his epistles who take along believing wives? They didn't either?

He left all including his wife to follow Jesus. Only later he took her help in his ministry, not as a wife but as a sister in Christ.

You say the "strong spiritually" as though we possess some level of spiritual strength that determines how much God can use us. Was Paul "spiritually stronger" than Peter? Because he never claimed to be.

That strength is the spirit of sacrifice. Paul claimed too many things including apostleship on his own!

 

[Righttruth]

And again I ask....where is your proof?....which should be scripture. Otherwise it is conjecture......and where did popes come in?

A person who sets apart everything for the sake of loving God will have no iota of carnal love with him!

 

[Righttruth]

Anyone who's thinking followers of Christ should not marry. The scripture clearly states that belief is wrong to hold.

It is not the book, it is preaching of Jesus, Paul and chosen apostles. Adultery is not condoned because it is in the book!

 

[Goatee]

He left all including his wife to follow Jesus.

Where does it say that in scripture?

 

[civilwarbuff]

Where does it say that in scripture?

He wont answer that question because he cant.

 

[nomadictheist]

He left all including his wife to follow Jesus. Only later he took her help in his ministry, not as a wife but as a sister in Christ.

No reasonable person would conclude that from the text. Traveling companions were certainly no oddity in the church - in fact, they were the norm. And Paul said take along a believing wife - not a traveling companion.

That strength is the spirit of sacrifice. Paul claimed too many things including apostleship on his own!

Paul claimed too many things on his own? Then you don't believe that he was appointed an apostle to the gentiles?

Nowhere in the Bible does it say that strength is the spirit of sacrifice. In fact, if anything, the Bible says we have no strength on our own, but God's strength is displayed in our weaknesses.


Either way your argument is based on a single verse, and ignores many other passages. According to your interpretation, you should have no relationships. Because Jesus doesn't just mention wives. He mentions brothers, sisters, fathers, mothers, children, etc.

Jesus says "Therefore what God joined together, let no man separate." Yet you would have men abandon their wives and claim Christ's own authority.

 

[Righttruth]

Where does it say that in scripture?

Matthew 19:27 Then Peter said to Him, "Behold, we have left everything and followed You; what then will there be for us?"
28 And Jesus said to them, "Truly I say to you, that you who have followed Me, in the regeneration when the Son of Man will sit on His glorious throne, you also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
29 "And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or farms for My name's sake, will receive many times as much, and will inherit eternal life.

 

[Righttruth]

He wont answer that question because he cant.

Matthew 19:
27 Then Peter said to Him, "Behold, we have left everything and followed You; what then will there be for us?"
28 And Jesus said to them, "Truly I say to you, that you who have followed Me, in the regeneration when the Son of Man will sit on His glorious throne, you also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
29 "And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or farms for My name's sake, will receive many times as much, and will inherit eternal life.

Do you think Peter would get Sunday off to be with his wife?

 

[Righttruth]

No reasonable person would conclude that from the text. Traveling companions were certainly no oddity in the church - in fact, they were the norm. And Paul said take along a believing wife - not a traveling companion.

Why do you think both the words sister and wife appear in the same verse?

1 Corinthians 9: 5 Have we not power to lead about a sister, a wife, as well as other apostles, and as the brethren of the Lord, and Cephas?

Paul claimed too many things on his own? Then you don't believe that he was appointed an apostle to the gentiles?

Jesus did not call Him as an apostle for the Gentiles.

Nowhere in the Bible does it say that strength is the spirit of sacrifice. In fact, if anything, the Bible says we have no strength on our own, but God's strength is displayed in our weaknesses.

Either way your argument is based on a single verse, and ignores many other passages.

That applies to you also!

According to your interpretation, you should have no relationships. Because Jesus doesn't just mention wives. He mentions brothers, sisters, fathers, mothers, children, etc.

No you are wrong.

Luke 14
26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

27 And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.

33 So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.

Jesus says "Therefore what God joined together, let no man separate." Yet you would have men abandon their wives and claim Christ's own authority.

There is no question of divorce. Coming together for His service only, not for procreation!

 

[nomadictheist]

Matthew 19:
27 Then Peter said to Him, "Behold, we have left everything and followed You; what then will there be for us?"
28 And Jesus said to them, "Truly I say to you, that you who have followed Me, in the regeneration when the Son of Man will sit on His glorious throne, you also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
29 "And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or farms for My name's sake, will receive many times as much, and will inherit eternal life.

Do you think Peter would get Sunday off to be with his wife?

I don't see wife on that list...

And, for that matter, He says "for my sake." This doesn't mean you should cut off all your relationships with believing relatives and wives.