Partial Preterist Only "En Route to Global Occupation" World Government

[BABerean2]

Anyone is welcome to comment on this thread.
The software forced me to pick a prefix.


About 20 years ago, Gary Kah published his book titled "En Route to Global Occupation". It focuses on the movement to bring the world into Global Government.

A number of years ago, I shared the book with my pastor.
His response was to give a sermon on the modern Dispensational viewpoint of end-time events and told us we did not have to worry about Global Government, because we would be raptured to heaven before it occurred.

This event set me on the path to discover who came up with this modern teaching.
What I discovered was not shared with those sitting in the pews of my church body.
As a matter of fact, many that teach the doctrine will make a personal attack on anyone who dares to expose the origin of the doctrine.

The speech below was given by Gary Kah, last Fall.
He shows the recent events that are continuing to push the world toward Global Government.

(During this speech Gary Kah may make a few statements that I may not completely agree with. However, I do agree with the overall theme of the message.)


Origin of the Pretrib Rapture Doctrine
http://www.answersinrevelation.org/pretrib_history.pdf

Grant Jeffrey’s revision of early Church Posttrib viewpoints
http://www.answersinrevelation.org/Jeffrey.pdf

PROPHETIC DEVELOPMENTS
with particular reference to the early Brethren Movement.
F. Roy Coad (Brethren Historian) read pages 10-26
http://brethrenhistory.org/qwicsitePro/php/docsview.php?docid=418

Genesis of Dispensational Theology (on YouTube)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ee4RS5pDntQ

Left Behind or Led Astray?
http://www.leftbehindorledastray.com/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9iRT91_pyo

Who Confirmed The Covenant?
http://christianmediaresearch.com/node/1023

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[John S]

Anyone is welcome to comment on this thread.
The software forced me to pick a prefix.


About 20 years ago, Gary Kah published his book titled "En Route to Global Occupation". It focuses on the movement to bring the world into Global Government.

A number of years ago, I shared the book with my pastor.
His response was to give a sermon on the modern Dispensational viewpoint of end-time events and told us we did not have to worry about Global Government, because we would be raptured to heaven before it occurred.

This event set me on the path to discover who came up with this modern teaching.
What I discovered was not shared with those sitting in the pews of my church body.
As a matter of fact, many that teach the doctrine will make a personal attack on anyone who dares to expose the origin of the doctrine.

The speech below was given by Gary Kah, last Fall.
He shows the recent events that are continuing to push the world toward Global Government.

(During this speech Gary Kah may make a few statements that I may not completely agree with. However, I do agree with the overall theme of the message.)


Origin of the Pretrib Rapture Doctrine
http://www.answersinrevelation.org/pretrib_history.pdf

Grant Jeffrey’s revision of early Church Posttrib viewpoints
http://www.answersinrevelation.org/Jeffrey.pdf

PROPHETIC DEVELOPMENTS
with particular reference to the early Brethren Movement.
F. Roy Coad (Brethren Historian) read pages 10-26
http://brethrenhistory.org/qwicsitePro/php/docsview.php?docid=418

Genesis of Dispensational Theology (on YouTube)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ee4RS5pDntQ

Left Behind or Led Astray?
http://www.leftbehindorledastray.com/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9iRT91_pyo

Who Confirmed The Covenant?
http://christianmediaresearch.com/node/1023

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1. When I started a thread, I used the Idealist Only icon - for what that's worth.
2. NO ONE is going to be Raptured.
3. There isn't going to be a global government until Jesus Christ returns. Then the global government will last 1000 years.

 

[miamited]

Hi BABerean,

I didn't watch the video, but I'm merely posting here in support of what seems to be your position. I also agree that a pre-trib rapture is a false teaching of many fellowships and their leaders. Another good source of info on this is 'The Sign' by Harold VanKampen. He gives a fairly good and logical explanation of the timing of the rapture with supported Scripture.

It seems that many, many christians have believed and are taught that when the Scriptures tell us that we are not children of God's wrath, that the event of God's wrath is the same as the great tribulation. My prayerful study shows that this is not the case.

The great tribulation is a time of persecution, mocking and death that will come against the believers by the will of Satan through the hands of men. As Jesus described, it will be a time of such great tribulation as has never been seen upon the earth before.

God's wrath, on the other hand, is God's final response to all of mankind who have refused to believe Him and establish Him as the rightful and sovereign ruler of all that He has created. I rather imagine that in heaven, it will go something like this:

God will be watching the torment, death and persecution of His children upon the earth. Those who have believed the truth. At some point during the great trial brought upon believers by the great tribulation, God is going to rise up from His throne and say, "Enough! Son, go get your children. Take them to safety for I am about to release my pent up fury which I have held in check since the days of Noah."

Yes, I readily admit that the scene portrayed is merely one of my imagining, but the timing and explanation of the great tribulation and the wrath of God as being two separate events comes straight from the Scriptures. Revelation 14 gives a pretty clear explanation of this harvesting of the earth and then the advent of the wine press of God's fury.

God bless you,
In Christ, Ted

 

[BABerean2]

Hi BABerean,

I didn't watch the video, but I'm merely posting here in support of what seems to be your position. I also agree that a pre-trib rapture is a false teaching of many fellowships and their leaders. Another good source of info on this is 'The Sign' by Harold VanKampen. He gives a fairly good and logical explanation of the timing of the rapture with supported Scripture.

It seems that many, many christians have believed and are taught that when the Scriptures tell us that we are not children of God's wrath, that the event of God's wrath is the same as the great tribulation. My prayerful study shows that this is not the case.

The great tribulation is a time of persecution, mocking and death that will come against the believers by the will of Satan through the hands of men. As Jesus described, it will be a time of such great tribulation as has never been seen upon the earth before.

God's wrath, on the other hand, is God's final response to all of mankind who have refused to believe Him and establish Him as the rightful and sovereign ruler of all that He has created. I rather imagine that in heaven, it will go something like this:

God will be watching the torment, death and persecution of His children upon the earth. Those who have believed the truth. At some point during the great trial brought upon believers by the great tribulation, God is going to rise up from His throne and say, "Enough! Son, go get your children. Take them to safety for I am about to release my pent up fury which I have held in check since the days of Noah."

Yes, I readily admit that the scene portrayed is merely one of my imagining, but the timing and explanation of the great tribulation and the wrath of God as being two separate events comes straight from the Scriptures. Revelation 14 gives a pretty clear explanation of this harvesting of the earth and then the advent of the wine press of God's fury.

God bless you,
In Christ, Ted

Ted,

You are most certainly on the right track.

I have read "The Sign" as well as Marv Rosenthal's book "The PreWrath Rapture of the Church".

A great deal of confusion has been produced by modern Dispensational Theology. Many of us have been influenced by it's teachings in ways we are not aware of. I finally had to throw out most of what I had been taught about end-times eschatology and start over again by examining only what the text says and by listening to many different points of view.

The correct interpretation will always reveal itself because it is the one that does not produce conflict with the other scripture.

Here are a couple of things I discovered in the last couple of years.

1. There is no 7 year tribulation period anywhere in the Bible.
It is produced by a faulty interpretation of Daniel 9:27 by injecting an antichrist not found in the chapter and a manmade "gap", not mentioned by the angel Gabriel. It can also be produced by adding together two of the references to the 3 1/2 year Great Tribulation. Check the links below.
This means you are correct about the timing of God's Wrath.
It occurs after we are gathered at the 7th trumpet, as revealed by the verses below.


Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

This agrees with what the Apostle Paul said.

1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
1Co 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

The reference to the wrath of the Lamb in Revelation chapter 6, is a scene from the Battle of Armageddon. This is revealed by the same characters being involved. "might men" "captains" "bond" "free", etc.
In chapter 6 John is given a summary of events which occur later in the book, when John is told to "Come and see."
Logic dictates if these people are on earth hiding from the Lamb, then the Lamb must be present on the earth at this time.
Forcing the Book of Revelation into a strictly chronological order only produces the confusion that we often see today.
However, some will make a personal attack on you, if you dare to disagree with their viewpoint.


2. The modern evangelical Church has lost sight of the New Blood Covenant of Christ, which is found foretold in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and is confirmed by the words of Christ at Matthew 26:28. It is "now" in effect at Hebrews 8:6. It must be the covenant at Romans 11:27, which destroys the Dispensationalist's plan of a future "national salvation" when "all" of Israel will accept Christ, because the covenant is not waiting on a future fulfillment.
It is the everlasting covenant confirmed by Christ at Calvary, when He shed His own Blood.
It is the covenant found in Daniel 9:27, when Christ confirmed the covenant with the many, during the 70th week of Daniel. The 70th week was the time the Gospel was taken to the Jewish people, before it was taken to the Gentiles.



Heb 13:20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

Who Confirmed The Covenant?
http://christianmediaresearch.com/node/1023

7 Year Tribulation is not in the Bible

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[miamited]

Hi BABerean,

Thanks for your reply. Yes, I too understand that the full writing of the Revelation and all that it reveals is not necessarily in chronological order. John received at least two visions that seem to have come to him at least two different times. John did not see all that he saw and conveyed to us, at one time. I believe that because of this, not all of the Revelation follows in chronological order.

As far as being rebuked and ostracized because of different understandings, I've been through that grist mill also. Mine, if you've caught some of my posts, is generally my understanding of the creation and 'when' all that is in our realm came to exist. Many people do look at me askance when I say that I believe that God's children, living on the earth in the very last days, will go through the tribulation. Like you, I was taught by many a 'good' teacher that the rapture will come before the tribulation and 'christians' won't live through the great tribulation.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

 

[BABerean2]

Would you believe them if they told you in their own words that Global Government is their goal?

Look at the lady at the very end of the videoclip, who gives her approval to the effort.
She is now running for the highest office in the land...

 

[John S]

When a person is paranoid they will believe any nonsense that agrees with that paranoia. There is NOT going to be a one world government.

 

[BABerean2]

When a person is paranoid they will believe any nonsense that agrees with that paranoia. There is NOT going to be a one world government.

The words "paranoia" and "nonsense" do not erase the videoclip posted above.

If you cannot bring yourself to deal with the reality posted above, calling others paranoid will not solve your problem.

It is also one of the chief weapons used by those promoting the Globalist agenda.
Anyone who is opposed to their plan must be labeled as some kind of nut, which is what you are doing.

Why has this videoclip not been posted on the nightly news?

You would be better served by trying to explain why you have never seen this story run by the news media.
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[John S]

The words "paranoia" and "nonsense" do not erase the videoclip posted above.

If you cannot bring yourself to deal with the reality posted above, calling others paranoid will not solve your problem.

It is also one of the chief weapons used by those promoting the Globalist agenda.
Anyone who is opposed to their plan must be labeled as some kind of nut, which is what you are doing.

Why has this videoclip not been posted on the nightly news?

You would be better served by trying to explain why you have never seen this story run by the news media.
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The antichrist will be able to bring about world peace but there will not be a one world government until Jesus Christ returns. NO country will want to relinquish its autonomy. I don't need to see some video to know that.
If there was a one world government, then you believe that it will go to war with itself - i.e. - the invasion by Gog/Magog and the invasion by the 200 million man army from the East.
I'm somewhat surprised. Your arguments are usually pretty sound and valid but this one world government idea is illogical and incorrect. It is NOT going to happen - regardless of how many paranoid people are preaching it.

 

[miamited]

Hi BABerean,

I'm listening to the first video by White Horse Media and just have a few issues to bring up which may be worth further discussion.

First, the speaker quotes from Hal Lindsey's book 'The Late Great Planet Earth'. He says the quote is found on page 32 and it reads:

Sometime in the future there will be a seven year period climaxed by the visible return of Jesus Christ. Most prophecies which have not yet been fulfilled concern events which will develop shortly before the beginning of and during this great seven year countdown.

Now, I haven't read the book, although I have heard many speak of it and reference it regarding end times prophecy. However, I merely note that the reference he is using for his text does not mention a seven year tribulation. It merely speaks of a seven year period. Daniel 9 also speaks of a final seven year period.

I do agree with him that most of the movies that have been produced do not correctly, as I understand the Scriptures, portray the last days correctly.

Daniel 9 speaks of a final seven that seems not to have been fulfilled. While there are those who attempt to tie the ministry of Jesus and the fall of Jerusalem as the final seven year period, I am not in agreement. Jesus spoke of a time of tribulation coming such as never before seen on the earth or ever will be. The conquest and overrunning of Jerusalem most certainly doesn't fit the bill as far as being some tribulation that is worse than any that have come since. Quite frankly, the destruction of Jerusalem and the deaths of Jews in that day pales when laid next to the imprisonment, slaughter, torture and number of deaths during the holocaust. It is reported that more Jews died during the holocaust then were even living in all of Israel in the day of the Roman conquest. We know that not all of the Jews died because out of that conquest came the diaspora. The leaving of Jews from their homeland to be scattered all over the earth. This, of course, is also a prophecy of the Scriptures. God told Israel that because of their unfaithfulness He was going to scatter them all over the earth and that they would be anathema to those of other nations. Since there have been greater times of tribulation for God's people than what we find during the Roman conquest, either Jesus wasn't being completely honest or there is yet another 'great tribulation' coming.

My understanding, as I read and study more of God's Scriptures regarding the last days, is that there is still a seven year period coming, as Hal Lindsey explains. The final seven year period will be a time when someone or some government will work to make a covenant of peace. At the midpoint of the seven year period, however, the covenant will be broken and then will begin the great tribulation spoken of by Jesus. Once that time of tribulation starts, there don't seem to be any Scriptural references as to how long the tribulation will endure. It may be 6 months or it may be 6 years. All we find in the Scriptures, as far as I know, is that in the middle of the seven year period the covenant will be broken and that will usher in the great tribulation.

Sometime after the beginning of the great tribulation Jesus will return to gather those who are his. First those in the grave and then we who are alive will meet him in the air. All of the risen dead and then living believers will be taken away and then God will unleash the wrath and fury of His pent up anger against those who remain. Human life on the earth will be completely obliterated and those who Jesus took with him will return to the earth for the millineal reign of Jesus with those who are his.

At the end of the millineal reign of Jesus all will be quickened to life and Satan will have one last opportunity to go throughout the earth and turn people from God. He is bound during the millineal reign, but he is loosed one last time. This will be for a 'short while' and then God's final judgment will fall upon all mankind.

That's my understanding of the last days.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

 

[BABerean2]

Hi BABerean,

I'm listening to the first video by White Horse Media and just have a few issues to bring up which may be worth further discussion.

First, the speaker quotes from Hal Lindsey's book 'The Late Great Planet Earth'. He says the quote is found on page 32 and it reads:

Sometime in the future there will be a seven year period climaxed by the visible return of Jesus Christ. Most prophecies which have not yet been fulfilled concern events which will develop shortly before the beginning of and during this great seven year countdown.

Now, I haven't read the book, although I have heard many speak of it and reference it regarding end times prophecy. However, I merely note that the reference he is using for his text does not mention a seven year tribulation. It merely speaks of a seven year period. Daniel 9 also speaks of a final seven year period.

I do agree with him that most of the movies that have been produced do not correctly, as I understand the Scriptures, portray the last days correctly.

Daniel 9 speaks of a final seven that seems not to have been fulfilled. While there are those who attempt to tie the ministry of Jesus and the fall of Jerusalem as the final seven year period, I am not in agreement. Jesus spoke of a time of tribulation coming such as never before seen on the earth or ever will be. The conquest and overrunning of Jerusalem most certainly doesn't fit the bill as far as being some tribulation that is worse than any that have come since. Quite frankly, the destruction of Jerusalem and the deaths of Jews in that day pales when laid next to the imprisonment, slaughter, torture and number of deaths during the holocaust. It is reported that more Jews died during the holocaust then were even living in all of Israel in the day of the Roman conquest. We know that not all of the Jews died because out of that conquest came the diaspora. The leaving of Jews from their homeland to be scattered all over the earth. This, of course, is also a prophecy of the Scriptures. God told Israel that because of their unfaithfulness He was going to scatter them all over the earth and that they would be anathema to those of other nations. Since there have been greater times of tribulation for God's people than what we find during the Roman conquest, either Jesus wasn't being completely honest or there is yet another 'great tribulation' coming.

My understanding, as I read and study more of God's Scriptures regarding the last days, is that there is still a seven year period coming, as Hal Lindsey explains. The final seven year period will be a time when someone or some government will work to make a covenant of peace. At the midpoint of the seven year period, however, the covenant will be broken and then will begin the great tribulation spoken of by Jesus. Once that time of tribulation starts, there don't seem to be any Scriptural references as to how long the tribulation will endure. It may be 6 months or it may be 6 years. All we find in the Scriptures, as far as I know, is that in the middle of the seven year period the covenant will be broken and that will usher in the great tribulation.

Sometime after the beginning of the great tribulation Jesus will return to gather those who are his. First those in the grave and then we who are alive will meet him in the air. All of the risen dead and then living believers will be taken away and then God will unleash the wrath and fury of His pent up anger against those who remain. Human life on the earth will be completely obliterated and those who Jesus took with him will return to the earth for the millineal reign of Jesus with those who are his.

At the end of the millineal reign of Jesus all will be quickened to life and Satan will have one last opportunity to go throughout the earth and turn people from God. He is bound during the millineal reign, but he is loosed one last time. This will be for a 'short while' and then God's final judgment will fall upon all mankind.

That's my understanding of the last days.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

You are giving the version taught by modern Dispensational Theology, which was brought to America about the time of the Civil War. For most of us, it is all we have ever heard.

Like many others, you have seen that the pretrib doctrine does not agree with scripture, but you do not realize the rest of the package that goes with it. The same thing happened to me.

Hal Lindsay and many others teach that God will go back to dealing with the modern nation of Israel under the Old Covenant system during the 7 year period before the Second Coming of Christ. They claim the Church is a "parenthesis" in God's plan of dealing with Israel. You will not hear most of them talk about the New Covenant, because it destroys their doctrine.

This scenario relies on taking a great many passages out of context. Daniel 9:27 is one of many.

The only way you can get the antichrist into Daniel chapter 9 is by placing him there, out of thin air.
The only way you can get a future 7 year period out of the chapter is by adding a manmade "gap" of almost 2,000 years, not mentioned by the angel Gabriel.
This interpretation also has to ignore the 7 year time that Christ and His Apostles took the Gospel to the Jews.

Dispensationalists have also changed the word "so", which is an adverb of manner, into the word "then", which is an adverb of time in Romans 11:26. They also claim all of the Israelites have been partially blinded instead of seeing that some of them were blinded and some of them like Paul, (Romans 11:1) were not.
All of this is done to produce a future 7 year period, which will lead to "national salvation" for the modern nation of Israel.

They have to ignore the fact that the covenant in Romans 11:27 is the New Covenant "now" in effect, based on Hebrews 8:6. It is not waiting on a future fulfillment. It was fulfilled at Calvary about 2,000 years ago.

Hebrews 8:13 plainly says the New Covenant has made the Sinai Covenant obsolete.

God is not going back to the obsolete Sinai Covenant with Moses as the mediator, instead of Christ who was the ultimate Sacrifice of God's Son.
Renewed animal sacrifices in a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem would be an insult to God and Christ.
It would be another rejection of God's Son.

A sad part of this whole scenario is the claim that there will be a different plan of salvation during a future 70th week of Daniel.
The Apostle Paul gave a very stern warning against the idea in the passage below.



Gal 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:

Gal 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Another sad aspect is the ignorance of the New Covenant foretold in Jeremiah 31:31-34 and spoken by Christ Himself at Matthew 26:28. It is "now" in effect at Hebrews 8:6 and is everlasting at Hebrews 12:24 and Hebrews 13:20. It is the covenant with the many at Daniel 9:27 and Romans 11:27.

The only way of salvation from now until the Second Coming of Christ is by being grafted into the Olive Tree of Romans chapter 11. The Olive Tree is a symbol of the New Blood Covenant Church.

There is no Plan B.

I would ask that you examine everything you have been taught in the past and start over again. This is what I was forced to do.

There is a test to find out if you have the correct interpretation.

It is the one which does not produce any conflict with other scripture...
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[Hazrus]

Unfortunately I can't view the videos where I am...

Can you give a brief summary? I don't understand where in the Bible it says we will have a one world government????

 

[BABerean2]

Unfortunately I can't view the videos where I am...

Can you give a brief summary? I don't understand where in the Bible it says we will have a one world government????

2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

2Th 2:5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

2Th 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.


Rev 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.



Rev 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

Rev 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

Rev 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

Rev 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

Rev 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

Rev 13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Rev 13:9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.

Rev 13:10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

Rev 13:12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

Rev 13:13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

Rev 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

Rev 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

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[Hazrus]

I thought the beast was the Roman Empire - - - is this the "one world government" you speak of? It was pretty much the government of the known world at the time...

 

[John S]

2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

2Th 2:5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

2Th 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.


Rev 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.



Rev 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

Rev 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

Rev 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

Rev 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

Rev 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

Rev 13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Rev 13:9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.

Rev 13:10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

Rev 13:12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

Rev 13:13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

Rev 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

Rev 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

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There is absolutely nothing in these verses that describes a one world government.

 

[BABerean2]

There is absolutely nothing in these verses that describes a one world government.

Neither was there anything in the Walter Cronkite video about a one world government.
The World Federalist organization must just be another men's club.
I am just paranoid and probably delusional...

And so is this man.

 

[Brian45]

Jesus said nation against nation and kingdom against kingdom which is the opposite to a one world order. Other scriptures talk about king of the north and king of the south and so forth and so on and somebody has already mentioned Gog and Magog so I'm not sure where people get the idea of a coming one world order. World chaos more likely.

 

[John S]

Neither was there anything in the Walter Cronkite video about a one world government.
The World Federalist organization must just be another men's club.
I am just paranoid and probably delusional...

And so is this man.

The Bible verses that you printed have absolutely NOTHING to do with a one world government. Now I'm supposed to believe some stupid video.
YES - This IS paranoia. Now whether you are delusional or not, I have no idea.

 

[BABerean2]

The Bible verses that you printed have absolutely NOTHING to do with a one world government. Now I'm supposed to believe some stupid video.
YES - This IS paranoia. Now whether you are delusional or not, I have no idea.

John,

We could argue about the interpretation of scripture, but not make any progress based on what I am hearing from you.

You seem to be upset by the video that I posted of the meeting of the World Federalist Association, which honored Walter Cronkite for his efforts to bring about world government.
At one time Cronkite was labeled as "the most trusted man in America".

At the end of the video, the lady now running for president adds her praise to Cronkite.

I do not know if you are supporting this lady for president or not.
If you are, maybe this is the point that offended you.

You can call it a "stupid video" if you want.
However, it is simply a record of an actual meeting that occurred in the past.

Many times when we are confronted by information that we do not want to accept as the truth, we attack the person who is speaking the truth. There were those who did the same thing to Jeremiah. They threw him into a pit because he was speaking the truth. I am not a prophet.
I have shared the truth that some of the most powerful people in the world are working to bring about a one world government.
I do not like it either, but it is the truth. You saw it with your own eyes.

If you cannot accept the truth, you may want to go to the Book of Jeremiah and find out what happened to those who threw Jeremiah into the pit.

If you can explain which part of this video is "stupid" I would appreciate it...

 

[John S]

Wanting a one world government is not the same as having one - and there is not going to be one.
...and STOP comparing yourself to Jeremiah.