The lie of eternal security refuted once and for all.

[ToBeLoved]

That's funny.

I guess this means the same thing?

1 Cor 6:9
9Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.

And this:

Gal 6
7Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. 8Whoever sows to please their flesh, from the flesh will reap destruction; whoever sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life. 9Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up.

And what dinner forgiven by Christ is still those things?

Does not Jesus Himself say after we have been forgiven HE casts our sin as far as the east is from the west?

Do you not believe Christ?

 

[Thursday]

Ummmmmmm, NO.

Ephesians 2:8-9

"For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast."

Paul is speaking of works of the Jewish Law.

Note:

1 Cor 7:19
For neither circumcision counts for anything nor uncircumcision, but keeping the commandments of God.

Galatians 5:6
For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love.

 

[True Science]

No. I think that us being justified by Christ is in the Nicene Creed. Maybe you just haven't gotten that far in your knowledge base.

No it doesn't say anything about being justified by Christ specifically. Although that is true but not that doctrine you speak of that I denounced.

 

[Thursday]

And what dinner forgiven by Christ is still those things?

Does not Jesus Himself say after we have been forgiven HE casts our sin as far as the east is from the west?

Do you not believe Christ?

Our prior sins, not sins we commit in disobedience to Jesus. For these we must repent.

 

[Steeno7]

Paul is speaking of works of the Jewish Law.

Note:

1 Cor 7:19
For neither circumcision counts for anything nor uncircumcision, but keeping the commandments of God.

Galatians 5:6
For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love.

LOL. ALL of your works to earn or win salvation are works of the law. And those works will never be more than filthy rags.

 

[True Science]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicene_Creed

 

[nobdysfool]

Our prior sins, not sins we commit in disobedience to Jesus. For these we must repent.

So then, He didn't really die for all of our sins, is what you're saying.

 

[Thursday]

LOL. ALL of your works to earn or win salvation are works of the law. And those works will never be more than filthy rags.

Salvation cannot be earned, but it can be thrown away by disobedience to Jesus.

 

[Steeno7]

Salvation cannot be earned, but it can be thrown away by disobedience to Jesus.

I understand that is your belief. But then you turn around and say it can be earned by your works or won or gotten as a reward.

 

[Thursday]

So then, He didn't really die for all of our sins, is what you're saying.

He did, if we confess them he will forgive us.

1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

John 20
21Again Jesus said, “Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you.”22And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit.23If you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.”

 

[jimmyjimmy]

Christ died for the sins of the world.

What Christ offers those who come to Him is salvation from sin.

Dying for sin is not the same as each one of us being saved FROM our sin.

The Word tells us that Jesus CONQUERED sin. To conquer sin, it would be all sin.

Let's at least understand what Christ did on the cross.

Again, if Christ died for the sins of the world, do you believe in universalism?

 

[Thursday]

Again, if Christ died for the sins of the world, do you believe in universalism?

God's grace reaches out to all men, but not all men respond and cooperate with God's grace.

1 Tim 2
3This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, 4who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.5For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,

1 Peter 1:17
Since you call on a Father who judges each man's work impartially, live your lives in reverent fear during your temporary stay on earth.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

Believers have to do what is right in order to be in God's good graces.

That you are even be able to type those words is startling to me. . . It's not like you are missing the mark a little to the left or right. You miss the entire target! By your owns words, you are missing Christianity completely!

Which church or denomination are you part of, Jason?

 

[Thursday]

That you are even be able to type those words is startling to me. . . It's not like you are missing the mark a little to the left or right. You miss the entire target! By your owns words, you are missing Christianity completely!

Which church or denomination are you part of, Jason?

Maybe he read it here:

John 15:10
10If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commands and remain in his love.

Or here:

Gal 6
7Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. 8Whoever sows to please their flesh, from the flesh will reap destruction; whoever sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life. 9Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up.

 

[FreeGrace2]

I said this:
"The verse clearly DOES NOT SAY that such a one will not enter the kingdom. It DOES SAY that such a one will have no inheritance IN THE KINGDOM.

Do you see the difference?"

That's funny.

I guess this means the same thing?

Apparently you don't.

1 Cor 6:9
9Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.

And this:

Gal 6
7Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. 8Whoever sows to please their flesh, from the flesh will reap destruction; whoever sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life. 9Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up.

Yep. The other 2 verses that are saying the same thing. To have no inheritance in the kingdom is to not inherit the kingdom.

Aren't you aware of the difference between renting and owning? Except that no one will pay rent in the kingdom, the point is that those believers described in the 3 passages will NOT "reign with Christ' per 2 Tim2:12. They will be there, but have NO inheritance IN the kingdom.

It's quite straight forward. It has to do with eternal reward. Those who are faithful and obedient will be rewarded greatly. Those who aren't, won't be. They'll have NO inheritance IN the kingdom. iow, they won't inherit the kingdom.

Are you aware that to "not inherit the kingdom" doesn't mean to not be there?

 

[FreeGrace2]

I'm sure you actually believe this.

I'm sure that you're sure. And the point is...?

 

[FreeGrace2]

Salvation cannot be earned, but it can be thrown away by disobedience to Jesus.

Please provide any verse that says so. That's just a very common claim by those who have rejected the promise of God but cannot prove that claim.

How does one "throw away" their salvation? Since salvation is not an object, like a coin, that can be thrown away.

If that were true, the Bible would have actually ADDRESSED SUCH A SCENARIO. So, where is it found?

 

[FreeGrace2]

Again, if Christ died for the sins of the world, do you believe in universalism?

There is no connection. Except for those who believe that Christ's death for someone automatically saves them. Where is that found in Scripture?

 

[Thursday]

Please provide any verse that says so. That's just a very common claim by those who have rejected the promise of God but cannot prove that claim.

How does one "throw away" their salvation?

1 Tim 1:19
holding on to faith and a good conscience, which some have rejected and thereby shipwrecked their faith.

John 15
5“I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing.6If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned...10If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commands and remain in his love.

Romans 11
22Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off.

 

[ToBeLoved]

Paul is speaking of works of the Jewish Law.

Note:

1 Cor 7:19
For neither circumcision counts for anything nor uncircumcision, but keeping the commandments of God.

Galatians 5:6
For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love.

Works in general.

Because there is not the law in the New Covenant and sacrifices.