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[morningstar2651]

Again, just because someone calls themselves a Christian does not mean they are and, of course even if it did there are extermists in any religion and for that matter any large group of people.

How do we determine if someone isn't really a Christian when they say they are?

 

[My Shalom]

Ummm...We were all informed recently, rather famously, that being against same-sex marriage is a central teaching of Christianity. I do not see where Christ taught this central teaching.

Read the Bible, conduct a search at Topical Bible website, searching the keywords, Homosexuality Sin, and get the education that may assist your understanding.
Jesus was God, as he said in the New Testament. Jesus(God) is the same yesterday, today, forever. He is not a man that he should lie.

In the OT homosexuality was a death penalty offense. That's found in Deuteronomy. In the New Testament it is a form of death penalty because it is an immoral sin that insures the unrepentant shall not see Heaven. They shall die the second death (See:Revelation 21:8)
Those who commit to the false teaching that says God OK's that behavior cannot ever show you the scripture where God says that.
What is evident are those scriptures in both Testaments that inform God does not approve and guarantees the behavior will bring that particular sinner, as is the case with all unrepentant people, eternal punishment.

Just as an FYI, this thread is not about sexual sodomy.

 

[bhsmte]

Go ahead, come up with a definition of "Christian" that excludes the KKK but doesn't exclude others you'd like to keep. I'll wait.

It appears what we have here, is some folks, will never admit, that someone who is a Christian, could be a a person who would kill other people.

All an effort, to protect their faith.

 

[morningstar2651]

Just as an FYI, this thread is not about sexual sodomy.

Are there other types of sodomy?

 

[redleghunter]

Non believers take any chance they can to throw all christians into one group. If this guy does turn out to be christian, you know we christians will hear about how bad we all are. Because somehow the VERY tiny minority of those who claim to be christian and do bad things somehow means we are all the same. Though you can't argue that because people are like "But look at the crusades!". Because somehow what catholics did at that time (way back when) somehow means all christians are bad. People ignore the fact catholics are but one "type" of christian. BUt thats another story.

Radical muslims are blowing themselves up, beheading people (christians too), shooting people, burning people alive....etc. They are who non-believers should be worried about. You don't see christians on a daily basis doing those things (killing).

I agree with most of your post. Where we disagree is on what is called the Christian crusades. I believe Western Europe had cause to react and defend themselves from over 4 centuries of Muslim aggression. Before the first crusade was called, Islam conquered all of North Africa, most of the Levant from Byzantium and also subdued Spain. Back then the Church was the only unifying mechanism in the West. Not saying that is how it should have been, but that is the way it was. Ideally, the crusades should have been a defensive war called upon by the monarchies of Western Europe and not the religious leader (Pope). But none of those 'yahoos' could stop from fighting each other.

Now that we brought up the Crusades, let's watch this thread explode.

 

[bhsmte]

your need for clarification of what a believer in Christ means is noted.

you have my sympathy and my prayers, brother in Christ.

You mean those who claim to be believers in Christ, that have formed countless denominations of Christianity and their own interpretation of scripture?

 

[morningstar2651]

It appears what we have here, is some folks, will never admit, that someone who is a Christian, could be a a person who would kill other people.

All an effort, to protect their faith.

They must have a fragile faith to need such protecting.

 

[bhsmte]

I said that the KKK doesn't follow the teachings of Jesus. What part of that do you not understand?

If one wants to really dig into this, I would venture, the vast majority of people who claim to be Christians, don't follow the teachings of Jesus, when you examine them.

 

[My Shalom]

I am not sure about that poster, but I am almost certain most Christians realize that there are extremist "Christians".

Yes, I do realize that.
What appears to be missed is that there is a dedicated effort by atheists in this thread to make terrorist Muslims and their evil something that is able to be dismissed, while pursuing a collaborative effort to implicate Christians as a worse example of religious terrorist.
And while it shouldn't need to be mentioned apparently it does. All this while a member of this Christian community.
I guarantee you the anti-religious that intend to levy insult toward Christians here are not about to Troll a Muslim community forum with the same vigor and reverse the order of assault so as to post against Muslims.

 

[bhsmte]

Jesus told us to love our enemies. So how do you believe that fits with what the KKK believes?

Can you give us an example of a group of people who truly displays in their behavior, that they "love" their enemies?

 

[My Shalom]

They must have a fragile faith to need such protecting.

No, it's not a fragile faith. It's just a vile evil world populated by psychotic anti-Christian terrorists who want to annihilate people who identify their faith as Christian.

 

[LivingWordUnity]

How do we determine if someone isn't really a Christian when they say they are?

Jesus established a Church with a hierarchy for that. And there have been many heresies that were condemned by the Church.

 

[redleghunter]

No, because he doesn't ignore it.

I find it hypocritical that Christians are so readily condemning Muslims while ignoring the terrorist Christian issue.

Both religions have extremism and produce terrorists, and you can't just ignore it because you don't like that your religion motivates murderers, arsonists, and bombers. Your extremists and your terrorists are not better or less evil than Muslim extremists and terrorists. They are cut from the same cloth. They both twist their holy books to justify their beliefs and their crimes and neither is representative of their religion as a whole.

This makes you uncomfortable, and it should, but it doesn't mean you can keep living in denial.

No one is denying the near non-existent "Christian" extremists. All we are indicating is the multitude of Muslim terrorist attacks.

How many times do I need to post that when Islamic terrorists kill in the name of Allah and the Quran, they are being consistent with the text. When Christians do so, it is NOT in keeping with the commands of Christ.

You continually ignore the above facts posted several times.

Allah tells Muhammed it is good to kill infidels. Jesus said love your enemies.

See the difference?

In order to say 'yes' or 'no' you would have to read both the Quran and Bible. Stop using specious websites with talking points. Trolls do that.

 

[LivingWordUnity]

Can you give us an example of a group of people who truly displays in their behavior, that they "love" their enemies?

The martyred saints of the Catholic Church. The very first Christian martyr, St. Stephen, is a prime example.

 

[morningstar2651]

Non believers take any chance they can to throw all christians into one group. If this guy does turn out to be christian, you know we christians will hear about how bad we all are. Because somehow the VERY tiny minority of those who claim to be christian and do bad things somehow means we are all the same. Though you can't argue that because people are like "But look at the crusades!". Because somehow what catholics did at that time (way back when) somehow means all christians are bad. People ignore the fact catholics are but one "type" of christian. BUt thats another story.

Radical muslims are blowing themselves up, beheading people (christians too), shooting people, burning people alive....etc. They are who non-believers should be worried about. You don't see christians on a daily basis doing those things (killing).

Yes we do. We see Christians shooting people every day. Some even believe that their murders and bombings are justified by the Bible.

Explain to me why I should be more scared of Muslim terrorists than I should be of Christian terrorists. They both view me as an infidel. I am a potential target for both of them and there are a lot more Christians than Muslims in this country.

I'm more likely to be murdered by a Christian than a Muslim, so why should I fear the Muslims?

Maybe the reason you fear Christian terrorists less is that you think you're not a target for them because you're Christian. They wouldn't hurt you. You're not their target.

 

[morningstar2651]

No one is denying the near non-existent "Christian" extremists. All we are indicating is the multitude of Muslim terrorist attacks.

How many times do I need to post that when Islamic terrorists kill in the name of Allah and the Quran, they are being consistent with the text. When Christians do so, it is NOT in keeping with the commands of Christ.

You continually ignore the above facts posted several times.

Allah tells Muhammed it is good to kill infidels. Jesus said love your enemies.

See the difference?

In order to say 'yes' or 'no' you would have to read both the Quran and Bible. Stop using specious websites with talking points. Trolls do that.

The Muslims say that Muslim terrorists don't follow the commands of the koran.
I'll believe them long before I'd believe your lectures on religions you fear and hate.

God commanded his followers to rape and pillage, murder their victims children, and you blow it off as "That's just the old testament". It's still in the Bible and it's still part of Judaism, but you don't condemn Christianity or Judaism with the hatred and fury you have for Islam. Probably because you'd have to face your raging hypocrisy in order to do so.

The Bible and the Koran have violent verses that extremists twist and abuse to justify their crimes. You argue that the Muslims are inherently violent and evil. If so, I apply the same argument to you.

 

[farout]

But remember kids, there's no double standard.
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[dogs4thewin]

How do we determine if someone isn't really a Christian when they say they are?

The Bible says that you will know them by their fruits.

 

[LivingWordUnity]

The Muslims say that Muslim terrorists don't follow the commands of the koran.

The problem is that Muhammad, the founder of Islam, did most of the things that today's Islamic terrorists do. Are there any Muslims that would say that Muhammad was a bad Muslim?

 

[redleghunter]

You failed to answer the question. You do not get to arbitrarily redefine extremism however you see fit.

Do you consider the KKK an extremist Christian organization, or a mainstream Christian organization?

Here are your options:

1. I consider the KKK an extremist Christian organization because their ideas, attitudes, and activities are regarded as extreme within Christianity.
2. I consider the KKK a mainstream Christian organization because their ideas, attitudes, and activities are regarded as normal or conventional within Christianity

LOL, so you GET to DEFINE what extremism is? A Christian extremist is Mother Theresa. She dedicated her entire life to care for the sick and poor. Every Christian church sends out thousands of Christian 'extremists' each year to third world nations to preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ and provide medical, food and shelter for the poor and sick.

Yes I just defined what it is to be a Christian extremists. They preach the Gospel and follow the law of love from Christ.

You might have heard of some of our most famous 'extremists.' One was named Peter (extremist code name was Cephas) and another named Paul of Tarsus (he was such a danger they kept throwing him in jail). There are others and you can find them all in the Book of Acts. That is kind of our 'extremists' handbook on how to evangelize.

So your above options amount to that stuff Bess Truman tried to get Harry say was manure.