Pre-Trib Only When the rapture!

[Abram's Awakening]

The antichrist is the completion of secular humanism among the minds of men due to the falling away.

However, the adversary is cunning, during this period of time the false christian church is depicted as the harlot that sits on many waters in accordance with Babylon-for she mixes herself with the nations(secular humanism) and is found "drunk with the blood of the saints"-or the false interpretation of the Word and misrepresentation of the teachings of Christ.

For both of these give power to the beasts and work towards a completion of Lucifers kingdom. For this is how Satan deceives the entire world...

 

[dfw69]

For the apostasy and transgression to run its coarse. Remember what He says? "Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? I tell you no, but rather a sword. For a division will occur in accordance with spiritual famine and exile. This was preordained...

For the apostasy and transgression to run its coarse. Remember what He says? "Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? I tell you no, but rather a sword. For a division will occur in accordance with spiritual famine and exile. This was preordained...

I'm not sure where you are going with this....who is this apostate church you are referring to are they here now?

This apostate church will bring division among whom?

The sword you are referring to is the word of God Not an actual sword implying actual war right....Christians should not kill...are you suggesting the apostate church will kill with the sword?

 

[iamlamad]

You make interesting arguments ...Not convince yet though

The first seal opens and the gospel conquering

So when was the rest of the seals opened?...right away after the first seal ? That all wars famine and plagues throughout history are God's doing ?

No, I would not say God's doing; only God's foreknowledge. I am convinced that the Red horse and rider, the Black horse and rider, and the pale horse and rider are to represent the devil and his attempts to stop the advance of the church. His plan was to keep it in Jerusalem, but that failed. Then to keep it in Israel, but that failed. He tried his best to stop Paul, but God's grace was sufficient! Hallelujah! The gates of hell could not prevent the gospel from spreading. Satan and his bunch were limited in their theater of operation to 1/4 the earth. Where did the first and second world war begin? Where did the black plague hit? All in Europe. Where has been much of the starvation on the planet? Africa. The tribes of African are fighting constantly. I am convinced that the center point of the 1/4 would be Jerusalem.

I am convinced Jesus broke the first 5 seals immediately. But at the fifth, the first hint of a long wait. We are still waiting on the 6th seal.

Just so you know, when the Holy Spirit pushed me into the book of Revelation, I determined to come with NO preconceptions. I was determined to know ONLY what He taught me. I believe I have been successful in this.

We know that God is not willing that ANY should perish. I don't think God is behind famines and wars and pestilences. They kill and rob people of any more chances to come to God. It is Satan that comes ONLY to kill, steal and destroy.

 

[iamlamad]

The seals, trumpets, and bowls of wrath all take place between The Pentecost and The Second Coming of Christ. They are all in accordance with one another as they explain prophetic events that take place in direct correlation with a preordained Apostasy.

And as these events unfold, we find a chain of spiritual attacks on the children of God as their kingdom and their inheritance has been robbed from them by those in whom murdered their King...

And so the kingdom was taken by force and handed over to be trampled on by the adversary...

The rider on the white horse who had a bow and was given a crown-conquering and to conquer... This is represented as Simon Magus the sorcerer who took the opportuniy to defile the teachings of Christ with gnosticism and egyptian mysticism. He traveled to Rome displaying wonders and pretending to be somebody great. After the destruction of the early church and death of all the Apostles and Christian Martyrs, Simon took full advantage of establishing a powerful, new found establishment with the inheritance he falsely claimed as his own, of which he had no part or portion in... This event gave birth and rise to the Catholic Church, whose roots are grounded in gnosticism. And Simon Magus has been mistaken for Simon Peter to this day. Simon Peter never went to Rome(see:The Apology of Justin Martyr).

1st Trumpet: Gnosticism

2nd Trumpet: The rise of the Catholic Church

3rd Trumpet: Dark Ages

4th Trumpet: Age of Kings and Science

5th Trumpet: Age of Enlightenment

6th Trumpet: Modern Times where apostasy and spiritual exile progresses to the point of establishing Lucifers kingdom with the completion of Secular Humanism.

7th Trumpet: Spiritual awakening, cleansing, baptism, and Second Coming of Christ...

The seals, trumpets, and bowls are prophetic events that lead mankind progressively further from the Lord in apostasy, famine, and spiritual exile...

Balderdash and nonsense. This is simply human reasoning with no basis in Scripture.

John used the color white 16 other times - each time to represent righteousness. To even imaging he would use it once to represent evil is silly to the extreme.

 

[Abram's Awakening]

Whitewashed tombs...

For even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light...

Wolved in sheeps clothing...

Shall I go on?

 

[Abram's Awakening]

No. The apostate isn't a singular church. Its every form of establishment that claims to be religious amongst His children. For the apostasy itself is God handing over the kingdom by the death of His Son, and allowing mankind to be scattered and wander off in exile for an elongated period of time. Now while this happens the kingdom of Satan with all his demons are allowed to influence and deceive man with all kinds of false religions and knowledge having no foundation in God. Furthermore, during this time we find a spiritual famine and darkness that corresponds to hearing and understanding the words of God-a withholding of the Light of Christ and a sealing up of prophecy until an appointed period of time...

Now learn the parable of the fig tree. When it's shoots become tender and it sprouts forth its leaves-you will know that summer is near...

The fig tree, or tree of life is the Word of God(Logos). The shoots becoming tender is a sign that depicts a period of blossoming, or Revelation. The leaves of the tree are the pages contained within revealing the hidden wisdom and prophetic knowledge of the words...

 

[Abram's Awakening]

No. The apostate isn't a singular church. Its every form of establishment that claims to be religious amongst His children. For the apostasy itself is God handing over the kingdom by the death of His Son, and allowing mankind to be scattered and wander off in exile for an elongated period of time. Now while this happens the kingdom of Satan with all his demons are allowed to influence and deceive man with all kinds of false religions and knowledge having no foundation in God. Furthermore, during this time we find a spiritual famine and darkness that corresponds to hearing and understanding the words of God-a withholding of the Light of Christ and a sealing up of prophecy until an appointed period of time...

Now learn the parable of the fig tree. When it's shoots become tender and it sprouts forth its leaves-you will know that summer is near...

The fig tree, or tree of life is the Word of God(Logos). The shoots becoming tender is a sign that depicts a period of blossoming, or Revelation. The leaves of the tree are the pages contained within revealing the hidden wisdom and prophetic knowledge of the words. The harvest is the end of ages...

 

[iamlamad]

Another assumption Lamad...He could have been slain past tense like 2000 years ago...no reference of time here...I see where you getting that but it's not concrete ...it says he had been slain past tense but when is not stated

it says had been slain ...not had been slain yesterday then it would stand as a newly arrival

No, you are MISSING the whole picture: first take note that when John first saw into the throne room, JEsus was NOT at the right hand of the father - when we have at least a dozen verses telling us that He should have been there. God did this ON PURPOSE. The REASON He was not there is because He left heaven to be born of a virgin. We know that at this time, Jesus was STILL ON EARTH.

Next we take note that in the search for one worthy to break the seals, NO MAN WAS FOUND. If we read ahead we know that Jesus was found, but NOT IN THIS FIRST SEARCH. Now we know that it is BEFORE Jesus rose from the dead - for the moment He rose from the dead, He was found worthy.

Then we see as final proof that all this was before Jesus ascended, the Holy Spirit is still in the throne room (chapter 4). Then sudden a CHANGE. (We see the movement of time). We understand that as soon as the first search ended in failure ANOTHER search started. I am convinced this search for one worthy had been ongoing since Adam. But in the next search, SOMETHING NEW! Jesus was found worthy to break the seals! (Hallelujah!) Now we have the time pinpointed: It is now the VERY MOMENT (or a few seconds later) that Jesus rose from the dead. He was immediately found worthy to break the seals. And then John saw the moment Jesus ascended back to the throne room He left 32 years before. Now we have the time right after He told Mary not to hold onto Him. So we see this passage of scripture includes TIMING and the MOVEMENT of time.

Yes he has just seen a vision of jesus as god.....my point though was he would see the hereafter in heaven...implying the future

God is God. If He chose to show John some moments of history, He certainly could and the proof is, He DID. God wanted to introduce John to the scroll with 7 seals. He chose to show John the very moment that scroll passed from the hand of the Father to the hand of the SON. To do that He had to show some history.

yes but because only is not stated does not mean all things were not only future events...it can be assume that hereafter could in itself refer to only future events...yes?

I see it as a simple statement of fact: John would be shown future events. And that certainly happened.

There is no history lesson in rev 12...the manchild is not jesus....the manchild is a future event ...they are 144000 select jewish people who will be caught up to heaven and not die....jesus was not the manchild...satan killed jesus ...jesus was resurrected not caught up...jesus assended to heaven of his own power....not caught up as in carried up by angels.....enoch and elijah were caught up....jesus was not

You can believe that or not, as you wish. It is man's human reasoning. In very plain English it tells us how Satan used King Herod to make an attempt on Jesus' life as a child. In fact, you can use an online planetarium and go back to 2 BC and look for those exact signs in the sky. I know because I did it. The crown of 12 stars for her crown was very unusual, for at that time, and ONLY that time, there were 9 stars and three planets in her crown. Jupiter only passes through the crown of Virgo every 12 years. HOWEVER: you may also be right. This same sign, from what I have read, will happen again in 2017. I have not verified it. Again there will be 3 planets in her crown. So these verses may well have a second meaning.

I can only tell you pretty much word for word what God spoke to me:

"Chapter 12 was Me introducing John to the Dragon, and in particular what the dragon would do in the last half of the week. Count how many times the Dragon is mentioned, including pronouns." (He waited for me to count.) "I also chose to show John how the Dragon tried to kill me as a child. You see that in the first five verses." (He waited for me to read them.) "Those first five verses were a 'history lesson' for John." (After a few seconds or minutes He then said I could go back and study chapters 4 & 5 again. You see, I was STUCK. He had asked me three questions on those two chapters, and I could not answer even one! I struggled with those questions for perhaps two weeks of intense study....hours every day. God chose this method (going to chapter 12) to show me how to find the answers.

Good point ...but not concrete...but think of this senario.... these future martyrs may not know exaclly how long ...because these had not known the prophetic teaches we are so custom to read without hinderance or persecution.....that these people will not know the gospel or have access to new testament scriptures because the new testament will have been put down by the false messiah and false messiahnic age yet to come.....but gods spirit is poured out during the days of darkness and many will see the light again...

Yes chronological...but about future things imo

yes im sorry people can be so insensitive to ones beliefs....i will not make fun of you ...i will question though...i love prophecy teachings ever since i was a child ...my stepdad and mom worried that i wanted to have prophetic conversations so much as a child...my dad told me about nostadamus and bible prophecy and i was intrigued from then on...it lead me to know jesus and salvation

I have to sift this a bid...

It is refreshing to have a civil conversation! All I can say is, when God finished teaching me chapters 4 & 5, I was convinced of what He taught me. Just as those in the New Testament were sure of the things God revealed to them, I am sure.

 

[dfw69]

I'm not sure where you are going with this....who is this apostate church you are referring to are they here now?

This apostate church will bring division among whom?

The sword you are referring to is the word of God Not an actual sword implying actual war right....Christians should not kill

No, I would not say God's doing; only God's foreknowledge. I am convinced that the Red horse and rider, the Black horse and rider, and the pale horse and rider are to represent the devil and his attempts to stop the advance of the church. His plan was to keep it in Jerusalem, but that failed. Then to keep it in Israel, but that failed. He tried his best to stop Paul, but God's grace was sufficient! Hallelujah! The gates of hell could not prevent the gospel from spreading. Satan and his bunch were limited in their theater of operation to 1/4 the earth. Where did the first and second world war begin? Where did the black plague hit? All in Europe. Where has been much of the starvation on the planet? Africa. The tribes of African are fighting constantly. I am convinced that the center point of the 1/4 would be Jerusalem.

I am convinced Jesus broke the first 5 seals immediately. But at the fifth, the first hint of a long wait. We are still waiting on the 6th seal.

Just so you know, when the Holy Spirit pushed me into the book of Revelation, I determined to come with NO preconceptions. I was determined to know ONLY what He taught me. I believe I have been successful in this.

We know that God is not willing that ANY should perish. I don't think God is behind famines and wars and pestilences. They kill and rob people of any more chances to come to God. It is Satan that comes ONLY to kill, steal and destroy.

I believe the seals opening do come from God ...sad but true....because they are worthy for those upon whom these plagues are poured upon had to reap what they sowed ...that they have caused man-made plagues and wars and famines in the past and must reap what they sowed ....God is not willing any should perish yes...but a time of judgement must take place to fulfill his words ....So I believe they are future judgements....

God said the Assyrian will come again...I believe he will be the final antichrist and the seals reveal his releasing ...but he will overstep and be judged...but I could be wrong I ain't no prophet

 

[dfw69]

No, you are MISSING the whole picture: first take note that when John first saw into the throne room, JEsus was NOT at the right hand of the father - when we have at least a dozen verses telling us that He should have been there. God did this ON PURPOSE. The REASON He was not there is because He left heaven to be born of a virgin. We know that at this time, Jesus was STILL ON EARTH.

Next we take note that in the search for one worthy to break the seals, NO MAN WAS FOUND. If we read ahead we know that Jesus was found, but NOT IN THIS FIRST SEARCH. Now we know that it is BEFORE Jesus rose from the dead - for the moment He rose from the dead, He was found worthy.

Then we see as final proof that all this was before Jesus ascended, the Holy Spirit is still in the throne room (chapter 4). Then sudden a CHANGE. (We see the movement of time). We understand that as soon as the first search ended in failure ANOTHER search started. I am convinced this search for one worthy had been ongoing since Adam. But in the next search, SOMETHING NEW! Jesus was found worthy to break the seals! (Hallelujah!) Now we have the time pinpointed: It is now the VERY MOMENT (or a few seconds later) that Jesus rose from the dead. He was immediately found worthy to break the seals. And then John saw the moment Jesus ascended back to the throne room He left 32 years before. Now we have the time right after He told Mary not to hold onto Him. So we see this passage of scripture includes TIMING and the MOVEMENT of time.



God is God. If He chose to show John some moments of history, He certainly could and the proof is, He DID. God wanted to introduce John to the scroll with 7 seals. He chose to show John the very moment that scroll passed from the hand of the Father to the hand of the SON. To do that He had to show some history.




No, it is a statement of fact: John would be shown future events. And that certainly happened.



You can believe that or not, as you wish. It is man's human reasoning. In very plain English it tells us how Satan used King Herod to make an attempt on Jesus' life as a child. In fact, you can use an online planetarium and go back to 2 BC and look for those exact signs in the sky. I know because I did it. The crown of 12 stars for her crown was very unusual, for at that time, and ONLY that time, there were 9 stars and three planets in her crown. Jupiter only passes through the crown of Virgo every 12 years. HOWEVER: you may also be right. This same sign, from what I have read, will happen again in 2017. I have not verified it. Again there will be 3 planets in her crown. So these verses may well have a second meaning.

I can only tell you pretty much word for word what God spoke to me:

"Chapter 12 was Me introducing John to the Dragon, and in particular what the dragon would do in the last half of the week. Count how many times the Dragon is mentioned, including pronouns. (He waited for me to count.) I also chose to show John how the Dragon tried to kill me as a child. You see that in the first five verses. (He waited for me to read them.) Those first five verses were a 'history lesson' for John. (After a few seconds or minutes He then said I could go back and study chapters 4 & 5 again. You see, I was STUCK. He had asked me three questions on those two chapters, and I could not answer even one! I struggled with those questions for perhaps two weeks of intense study....hours every day. God chose this method (going to chapter 12) to show me how to find the answers.



It is refreshing to have a civil conversation!

Yes sir I'm taking in your views and chewing them up a bit

And I keep a lot of doctrines I have learned here and put them on a shelf....So your teachings are not in vain ...God will confirmed this to be true or false no doubt

 

[iamlamad]

Yes sir I'm taking in your views and chewing them up a bit

And I keep a lot of doctrines I have learned here and put them on a shelf....So your teachings are not in vain ...God will confirmed this to be true or false no doubt

When God asked me the three questions on chapters 4 & 5, and I could not answer them, even after many hours of struggling, I felt like an absolute beginner. Unless He had taken me to chapter 12 to see that the first 5 verses there were a "history lesson", and then He spoke "history lesson," I would probably still be struggling with those 3 questions.

 

[dfw69]

No, you are MISSING the whole picture: first take note that when John first saw into the throne room, JEsus was NOT at the right hand of the father - when we have at least a dozen verses telling us that He should have been there. God did this ON PURPOSE. The REASON He was not there is because He left heaven to be born of a virgin. We know that at this time, Jesus was STILL ON EARTH.

Next we take note that in the search for one worthy to break the seals, NO MAN WAS FOUND. If we read ahead we know that Jesus was found, but NOT IN THIS FIRST SEARCH. Now we know that it is BEFORE Jesus rose from the dead - for the moment He rose from the dead, He was found worthy.

Then we see as final proof that all this was before Jesus ascended, the Holy Spirit is still in the throne room (chapter 4). Then sudden a CHANGE. (We see the movement of time). We understand that as soon as the first search ended in failure ANOTHER search started. I am convinced this search for one worthy had been ongoing since Adam. But in the next search, SOMETHING NEW! Jesus was found worthy to break the seals! (Hallelujah!) Now we have the time pinpointed: It is now the VERY MOMENT (or a few seconds later) that Jesus rose from the dead. He was immediately found worthy to break the seals. And then John saw the moment Jesus ascended back to the throne room He left 32 years before. Now we have the time right after He told Mary not to hold onto Him. So we see this passage of scripture includes TIMING and the MOVEMENT of time.



God is God. If He chose to show John some moments of history, He certainly could and the proof is, He DID. God wanted to introduce John to the scroll with 7 seals. He chose to show John the very moment that scroll passed from the hand of the Father to the hand of the SON. To do that He had to show some history.




I see it as a simple statement of fact: John would be shown future events. And that certainly happened.



You can believe that or not, as you wish. It is man's human reasoning. In very plain English it tells us how Satan used King Herod to make an attempt on Jesus' life as a child. In fact, you can use an online planetarium and go back to 2 BC and look for those exact signs in the sky. I know because I did it. The crown of 12 stars for her crown was very unusual, for at that time, and ONLY that time, there were 9 stars and three planets in her crown. Jupiter only passes through the crown of Virgo every 12 years. HOWEVER: you may also be right. This same sign, from what I have read, will happen again in 2017. I have not verified it. Again there will be 3 planets in her crown. So these verses may well have a second meaning.

I can only tell you pretty much word for word what God spoke to me:

"Chapter 12 was Me introducing John to the Dragon, and in particular what the dragon would do in the last half of the week. Count how many times the Dragon is mentioned, including pronouns." (He waited for me to count.) "I also chose to show John how the Dragon tried to kill me as a child. You see that in the first five verses." (He waited for me to read them.) "Those first five verses were a 'history lesson' for John." (After a few seconds or minutes He then said I could go back and study chapters 4 & 5 again. You see, I was STUCK. He had asked me three questions on those two chapters, and I could not answer even one! I struggled with those questions for perhaps two weeks of intense study....hours every day. God chose this method (going to chapter 12) to show me how to find the answers.



It is refreshing to have a civil conversation! All I can say is, when God finished teaching me chapters 4 & 5, I was convinced of what He taught me. Just as those in the New Testament were sure of the things God revealed to them, I am sure.

Yes God is God...Yet Jesus was revealed to John as alpha and omega he which is which was which is to come...John saw Jesus in a glorified state as a God with flames of fire
Hair white as wool...


But I do see what your saying I'm not denying the possibility that you could be correct

 

[Abram's Awakening]

As the lightening flashes from the east to the west, so will the coming of the Son of Man be...

Lightening spiritual represents knowledge. The Word of God as manifested as the "Bible" will be established and completed in the midst of these times, that is, through the move of western civilization... The Word of God is part of the Godhead, representing Christ in another form-also explained as the that in which coincides with the Helper(or Holy Spirit).

An evil and adulterous generation seeks for a sign. But the only sign that will be given them is the sign of Jonah. For just as Jonah was in the belly of the sea monster for 3 days, so the Son of Man will remain in the heart of the Earth for three days and three nights...

 

[dfw69]

No. The apostate isn't a singular church. Its every form of establishment that claims to be religious amongst His children. For the apostasy itself is God handing over the kingdom by the death of His Son, and allowing mankind to be scattered and wander off in exile for an elongated period of time. Now while this happens the kingdom of Satan with all his demons are allowed to influence and deceive man with all kinds of false religions and knowledge having no foundation in God. Furthermore, during this time we find a spiritual famine and darkness that corresponds to hearing and understanding the words of God-a withholding of the Light of Christ and a sealing up of prophecy until an appointed period of time...

Now learn the parable of the fig tree. When it's shoots become tender and it sprouts forth its leaves-you will know that summer is near...

The fig tree, or tree of life is the Word of God(Logos). The shoots becoming tender is a sign that depicts a period of blossoming, or Revelation. The leaves of the tree are the pages contained within revealing the hidden wisdom and prophetic knowledge of the words...

So what happens next ?will the apostasy end ?in what way? how will it be restored? to what end...?...

What will the messianic age look like in.your views?

 

[Abram's Awakening]

As the lightening flashes from the east to the west, so will the coming of the Son of Man be...

Lightening spiritual represents knowledge. The Word of God as manifested as the "Bible" will be established and completed in the midst of these times, that is, through the move of western civilization... The Word of God is part of the Godhead, representing Christ in another form-also explained as the that in which coincides with the Helper(or Holy Spirit).

An evil and adulterous generation seeks for a sign. But the only sign that will be given them is the sign of Jonah. For just as Jonah was in the belly of the sea monster for 3 days, so the Son of Man will remain in the heart of the Earth for three days and three nights. Are there not twelve hours in a day? So Christ remains in the heart of the Earth for 6 periods of time... (Six trumpets) The heart of the Earth is also described as the foundation of the World-which is also spiritually explained as the Living Word of God...

 

[dfw69]

As the lightening flashes from the east to the west, so will the coming of the Son of Man be...

Lightening spiritual represents knowledge. The Word of God as manifested as the "Bible" will be established and completed in the midst of these times, that is, through the move of western civilization... The Word of God is part of the Godhead, representing Christ in another form-also explained as the that in which coincides with the Helper(or Holy Spirit).

An evil and adulterous generation seeks for a sign. But the only sign that will be given them is the sign of Jonah. For just as Jonah was in the belly of the sea monster for 3 days, so the Son of Man will remain in the heart of the Earth for three days and three nights...

Your very obscure in your teachings what can anyone get out of this kind of talk?

 

[Abram's Awakening]

What can I say? Everything I have learned-came from no man. It all comes from Him... I'm stuck having to type on a phone, and I'm currently walking. Everything I have been saying thus far is off the top of my head. I can prove and back up every form of prophecy that I've been explaining with countless scriptures in the Old and New Testaments.

It all narrows down to the hidden spiritual knowledge and a reconciliation that allows us to fulfill the first and foremost commandment: To love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, might, and strength. Now ask yourself in regard to this commandment, "How can one love somebody, if they know them not?" How can one truly come to love the Lord-How can one truly come to know Him?

Through the Word...

In establishing this connection with God- as opposed to relying souly on the worldly establishments and other men who profess to know him, who are found to be liars-you will find an ancient and hidden wisdom that God had predestined to our glory.

As Light shining in a dark place. A door that is opened for us to walk through for prophetic mysteries to unfold...

For such a man can say, I know the Lord-better yet, I am known by the Lord...

After this takes place you come to the harsh reality that those of the world and all its established congregations who claim to follow Jesus-deceived into believing the false message of peace- are blind and unable to see the simplicity of truth that had been taught to you by Lord Himself. You discover how foolish and blind the world really is...

 

[Abram's Awakening]

The rapture doesn't happen instantly. However, it is happening now-this very moment. And it won't be finished until the remnant- who are chosen- finish the grievous task that had been given them to prove and perfect their faith. Though grievous-an honorable opportunity for the son's of men who chose to live by faith rather than sight...

He's calling us out this very moment. He's calling us out of the world and all it's false religions-out of Babylon and from the Harlot- to reestablish Truth, and rebuild Zion...

 

[Abram's Awakening]

Keep in mind...

Genesis: God created the world and finished his work in six days(six trumpets or periods of time). He rested on the seventh day from ALL His work.(Seventh Trumpet)

Matt, Mark, Luke, John: So the Son of Man will be in the heart of the earth for three days and three nights. (Six trumpets or periods of time) Seventh day is completion.

Revelations: Six Trumpets or periods of time for apostasy to run its coarse and transgression to end. Seventh Trumpet is completion of Revelation and the saved to enter His rest(Sabbath Day's Rest)

 

[Abram's Awakening]

From Genesis to Revelation the message becomes clear. This is how we discern the truth in matters pertaining from God. For the Spirit of prophecy are the testimonies of Jesus...