any seventh day baptists here? tell me more!!

[survivor4truth]

I have grown up in a very conservative, seventh day adventist family all my life.

But at 17, I have questions.

I took an assessment online and found that I have a lot of beliefs similar to that of baptists, particularly seventh day baptists and free will baptists.

I know your basic beliefs and feel comfortable with them (the divine power of Scriptures, priesthood of man, baptism by immersion, etc.,).

What do you believe about the time of the end? I was always taught about the sunday law conspiracy theory, which Ellen G White talks about. But recently, I have found that her writings were largely plagarized, and she may have suffered brain damage,causing seizures that were like visions.

What is the belief about jewelry and appearance?

What is the belief about what happens when you die?

Can you give me some Bible verses for what you believe?

Thank you so much, I have researched online, but some of the information is difficult to find.

 

[PrincetonGuy]

What do you believe about the time of the end?....What is the belief about what happens when you die? .

Matt. 25:31. "When the Son of man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne.
32. Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate them one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats,
33. and he will place the sheep at his right hand, but the goats at the left.
34. Then the King will say to those at his right hand, 'Come, O blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world;
35. for I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me,
36. I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.'
37. Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see thee hungry and feed thee, or thirsty and give thee drink?
38. And when did we see thee a stranger and welcome thee, or naked and clothe thee?
39. And when did we see thee sick or in prison and visit thee?'
40. And the King will answer them, 'Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brethren, you did it to me.'
41. Then he will say to those at his left hand, 'Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels;
42. for I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink,
43. I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not clothe me, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.'
44. Then they also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see thee hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to thee?'
45. Then he will answer them, 'Truly, I say to you, as you did it not to one of the least of these, you did it not to me.'
46. And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."

What is the belief about jewelry and appearance?

1 Tim. 2:8. I desire then that in every place the men should pray, lifting holy hands without anger or quarreling;
9. also that women should adorn themselves modestly and sensibly in seemly apparel, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or costly attire
10. but by good deeds, as befits women who profess religion. (RSV, 1971)

 

[SinnerInTheHands]

I'm not a Seventh Day Baptist, and I admit, this is totally off topic, but my favorite hymn was written by an English one. [Sorry, but people don't really talk about Seventh Day Baptists, so I can rarely share the hymn. I'm also sorry that the rendition is by the MTC, I know they're apostate and heretical but they did a very good job of singing it]:

 

[PrincetonGuy]

I'm not a Seventh Day Baptist, and I admit, this is totally off topic, but my favorite hymn was written by an English one. [Sorry, but people don't really talk about Seventh Day Baptists, so I can rarely share the hymn. I'm also sorry that the rendition is by the MTC, I know they're apostate and heretical but they did a very good job of singing it]:

The name of the hymn is “On Jordan's Stormy Banks I Stand,” and it was composed by Samuel Stennett (1727-1795), a Baptist minister and pastor. The original title was, “Promised Land,” when it was published in 1787, 40 years before Ellen G. White was even born.

 

[SinnerInTheHands]

The name of the hymn is “On Jordan's Stormy Banks I Stand,” and it was composed by Samuel Stennett (1727-1795), a Baptist minister and pastor. The original title was, “Promised Land,” when it was published in 1787, 40 years before Ellen G. White was even born.

Stennett was still a Seventh-Day Baptist. The Seventh-Day Baptist movement started in the 1650s in England.

 

[PrincetonGuy]

Stennett was still a Seventh-Day Baptist. The Seventh-Day Baptist movement started in the 1650s in England.

Yes, he was. I apologize. I accidentally read Seventh Day Baptist as Seventh-day Adventist.”

 

[Jack_SDB]

Hi Survivor4Truth,

I was born and raised a Seventh Day Baptist. I hope this will help to answer your questions.

What do you believe about the time of the end?
The 'End Times' are entirely up for interpretation. The church has no specific doctrine on the matter. Among the members, there are many different interpretations.

What is the belief about jewelry and appearance?
There is no doctrine within the church that dictates jewelry or apparel. It would not be uncommon to see people in jeans and a T-Shirt on Sabbath morning for services; or even shorts and flip flops! How each member represents themselves is entirely up their discretion.

What is the belief about what happens when you die?
The general belief within the religion is that it's as simple as the final destination is Heaven or Hell. What happens immediately after death is up for interpretation.

Can you give me some Bible verses for what you believe?
Exodus 20:8 "Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy."

The church does not hold doctrine to define all aspects of life. Throughout my life within the church, I felt that the church held more of a theological view than a doctoral view. While in a 'Bible Study' class, lessons will be read from the the Bible and then the participants would individually and collectively interpret the meaning of the passages and how they could be applied to our modern day lives. It's not uncommon for members within the church to have different interpretations of the same passages and this is acceptable within the church as well.

A lot of people (speaking from my own conversations with people outside of the church) think the Seventh Day Baptist religion is a very strict and life controlling religion. This is very far from the reality of church.

Many members of the church also work and conduct business on the Sabbath. Not every congregation (physical church) holds the same level of observation of the Sabbath others. Some congregations may even meet at a restaurant after Sabbath services for a meal. Some members within the SDB church might think of these actions as heresy.

The core principles of the church are to be a follower of Jesus Christ, believe that he is the Messiah and the Son of God born from a virgin, believe in the baptismal ritual of being cleansed of sins be immersion in water by clergy, and to recognize the Sabbath as being Holy.

 

[JM]

Sabbatarianism was popular in England during the 17th century. Different forms of it exist today with the theological ground work being laid back then. We have the Sunday/Lord’s Day Sabbatarians that believe a principle exists from scripture where one day in seven should be set aside for worship and observing religious acts, piety and resting by faith in Christ. Seventh Day Baptists were catch up in the fever of the time and argued for the Saturday Sabbath. I don’t know any Seventh Day Baptists.

Yours in the Lord,

jm

 

[alex2165]

To Survivor

Most questions you asked you can find in the Bible yourself, do your own home work, and not just read the Bible but study it, in this way you will understand many passages and themes of the Holy Book.


Concerning E. White, and red some books about her, and talk to Adventist about her writings, and I come to conclusion that she is just an ordinary person.

Adventist considered her as a prophet, but she is not even close to be one. Mostly she wrote general stuff about Christianity and as you mentioned, perhaps copy other works and claim as her own.


On another hand, I do go to Adventist church on the Sabbath Day and worship the Lord with them. I do not follow their traditions and doctrines many of which completely false, but because they worship on Sabbath, I join them on that Day.


I also used to go to Baptist church on Sundays as well, beside Sabbath, but quit, because, they just like Adventist mostly preach their own doctrines and traditions and very little of the Word of GOD.


By studying Bible, I found that worship on Sabbath is the right Day to worship and praise the Lord. Sunday worship is the tradition of men, but Sabbath worship is the tradition of GOD.


Jesus and His disciples observed Sabbath Days, and all first Christians of the first century A.C., also did the same. But corrupted people in the Christian early church changed this practice and changed the worship day to Sunday.


So in one thing Adventist is absolutely right, to worship on Sabbath, but in everything else they do, they just like everybody else, no difference.

 

[Goodbook]

I am not a seventh day baptist, or had any contact with the adventists.
But i will tell you that free will baptists worship God everyday of the week because of the scripture that we worship him in spirit and in truth. And also, reading Galatians, it talks about not being bound to OT laws anymore, ie. Keeping kosher, keeping all the feast days etc.

The sabbath day, keeping it holy, to me means having a rest on saturday. So i dont feel the need to go to church on saturdays for services. Because when think about it, the pastor has to 'work' on saturday by delivering the sermon and opening the church up etc. so on saturdays, the sabbath, its just a day to rest from work and do things that are enjoyable that cant do any other day of the week and apprciate Gods creation.

The ot also talks about the land having its sabbaths, and thats just not the seventh day of the week but every seventh YEAR. So if youd been working for 14 years for example, you can have two years off work.


As God gives us the grace to do this, theres no rule in which year is the seventh (cos we are not israelites like in the old testament) but its the principle.

As for ellen g i think id be wary of her writings claiming she is some kind of prophet because all the prophets up to Jesus time are in the bible and there is no more..Jesus work is finished. When it says we prophesy, its all by the bible, we dont have some kind of new revelation. The person thst tries to claim they are a prophet eg muhammad, made his own relgion and ended up denying Jesus. Not saying the adventists are like that but their end times beliefs are a bit screwy and off base.

 

[alex2165]

To Goodbook


I think it is very important to make distinction between spiritual and physical rituals. You mentioned Galatians there you claim that “it talks about not being bound to OT laws anymore.” Actually many Books of NT reflecting such claim, but it have been deeply misunderstood by many. Paul meant not bound by ritual of the OT and not by entire OT.


Without OT will be no NT. Spiritual commandments of GOD in Old Testament have been preserved by Jesus Christ and repeated by Him in all His sermons. Only physical rituals have been abandoned because of the Sacrifice of Christ Who took the most important ritual of sacrificial offering to GOD, and sacrifice Himself to Him. When He done it, the physical rituals of the Old Testament and the Law of Moses became absolute, but the spiritual commandments of OT and Law of Moses remain all intact.


You made a very common mistake among Christians saying that the OT is not important anymore, and this is because you misunderstood the Paul’s writings. Sabbath is much more than a Day of rest, it is essential to all Christians to understand and to obey it, because in the future, in the second coming of Christ it will resurface again, with some other Holidays of the Law of Moses.


If I remember right, I think I posted a thread concerning Sabbath, but I do not remember on which forum. May be I will do it again, because it is very important to understand and make distinction between physical rituals “works of the Law” as often mentioned in the New Testament, and its spiritual commandments, and particularly of the Sabbath Day.


Here some verses out of many that indicated the importance of the Sabbath to all Christians no matter of their denomination.


Exodus 20.11

11.In six days the Lord made Heaven and Earth, the sea and all that is in them, butrestedthe Seventh Day,therefore the Lord blessedthe Sabbath Day and consecrated it.


Leviticus 23.3.26-32

3."Six days shall work be done but theSeventh Day is a Sabbath of complete rest, a holy convocation, you shall do not work, it is aSabbath to the Lord throughout your settlements."


Deuteronomy 15.1-4


The Laws concerning the Sabbatical Years (every Seventh Year) to grant remission of debts.


1.Every Seventh Year you shall grant a remission of debts.

2.And this is the manner of the remission, every creditor shall remit the claim that is held against a neighbor, not exacting it of a neighbor who is a member of the community, because the Lord's remission has been proclaimed.


Isaiah 56.2.4.6

2.Happy is the mortal who does this, the one who holds it fast, who keeps theSabbath, not profaning it, and refrains from doing any evil.

4.Thus says the Lord: "To the eunuchs who keepMy Sabbaths, who choose the things that please Me and hold fast My Covenant,


6.and the foreigners who join themselves to the Lord to minister Him, to love the name of the Lord and to be His servants,all who keep theSabbathand do not profane it and hold fastMy Covenant,


Isaiah 66.23

23."And it shall be from new moon to new moon,and from Sabbath to Sabbath,all mankind will come to bow downbefore Me", says the Lord.


Ezekiel 20.12.19-20


Word of the Lord that came to the priest and prophet Ezekiel when the elders of Israel came to him to consult the Lord.


12."Moreover,I gave themMy Sabbaths as a sign between Me and them,so that they might know that I the Lord sanctify them.

19.I the Lord am your GOD, follow My Statutes and be careful to observe My Ordinances,

20.and hallowMy Sabbaths that they may be a sign between Me and you,so that you may know that I the Lord am your GOD."


Matthew 12.8

8.The Son of Man is Lord of theSabbath."


Mark 2.27

27.Then He said to them,“TheSabbathwas made for humankind and not humankind for theSabbath,

28.so the Son of man is Lord even of theSabbath.”


Luke 13.10

10.Now He was teaching in one of the synagogues on theSabbath.


Hebrews 4.4-5.9-10


Paul presented the Words of GOD about Sabbath Day not only as a Day of rest but also as a Day of Salvation, and as a place of His habitation.


4.He has thus said somewhere concerning theSeventh Day,"And GOD rested on theSeventh Dayfrom all His works"(Genesis 2.2),

5.and again in this passage,"They shall not enterMy rest."(Psalm 95.11)


9.There remains aSabbathrest for the people of GOD.


10.The one who has entered His rest, has himself also rested from his works, as GOD did from His.



Disregarding and disrespecting Sabbath means disregarding and disrespecting the Lord Himself.


Alex

 

[Goodbook]

ok but I wasn't meaning what you were implying, actually I agree with you but you tried to make it out like I disregard the OT. not the case.

 

[Goodbook]

I would say that people can be very legalistic about things in the OT which is what happened in the early church. That is why Paul did wouldn't eat meat for a time so as not to offend his hebrew christian brethren.

 

[alex2165]

Yes you right, some people took certain Laws and Statutes of OT and claimed that they have to be observed and followed, and as rule such people have no understanding that far not all of the commandments of OT applicable today. And I am not talking about orthodox Jews, but about Christians.


I noticed a certain trend among Christians of all denomination, who took certain Laws of Moses and applied them in their worship and service, mostly those Laws that benefit them materially and financially.


Such hypocrisy is wide spread practically in all churches, and it has nothing to do with Paul’s argument concerning not to tempt or discourage those who could lose they faith in the Lord watching others performing something that goes against their believes and understanding of the Holy Scripture.


But certain Rules and Laws of the OT and particularly all 10 Commandments, on which entire Gospel of Jesus Christ is based upon, those commandments stand firm to be observed, followed, and must be fully implemented in our daily life, and the Sabbath is the one of them as essential Holiday and a special Day of holy convocation in respect and reverence to the Lord our GOD.


We actually can worship and serve the Lord all six days a week, there is no sin in it, but Sabbath is a special Day to praise and to thanks the Lord for His mercy, love, and blessings on those who have faith in Him and who worship Him in earnest.


About Seven Day Adventists, you are also right, they have some wacky traditions and doctrines of their founders. I would never join them as a Christian group, but because they do worship on Sabbath so and I do worship with them, but I stay away from their traditions.


God bless


Alex

 

[classicalhero]

The reason most of us worship on a Sunday is because that is the day our Lord was crucified. You will notice that the early Christians in the Bible all worshipped on a Sunday and never once did God chastise them for doing. The whole principle of the Sabbath was to have one day wholly devoted to God and as a remembrance of his work during the creation of the world.

 

[Butterfly99]

Can someone explain to me what a 7th Day Baptist is? Cause I've never heard of that before. I've heard of 7th Day Adventist but tbh don't entirely understand it just cause I don't know anybody who believes in it. I've seen a church for it in my city.

 

[SeventyTimes7]

Can someone explain to me what a 7th Day Baptist is? Cause I've never heard of that before. I've heard of 7th Day Adventist but tbh don't entirely understand it just cause I don't know anybody who believes in it. I've seen a church for it in my city.

The 7th Baptist church was born in the 17th century in England as the first protestant church to observe the saturday as the true shabbat.
They 7th day Baptist churches between them share a basic common belief which we can find in most of protestant churches and they don't put personal prophecies interpretations as a fundamental belief for to be baptised like 7thDay Adventist church does.
For more information you should visit their website or contact them:

http://seventhdaybaptist.org/about/statement-of-belief/

 

[SeventyTimes7]

Yes you right, some people took certain Laws and Statutes of OT and claimed that they have to be observed and followed, and as rule such people have no understanding that far not all of the commandments of OT applicable today. And I am not talking about orthodox Jews, but about Christians.


I noticed a certain trend among Christians of all denomination, who took certain Laws of Moses and applied them in their worship and service, mostly those Laws that benefit them materially and financially.


Such hypocrisy is wide spread practically in all churches, and it has nothing to do with Paul’s argument concerning not to tempt or discourage those who could lose they faith in the Lord watching others performing something that goes against their believes and understanding of the Holy Scripture.


But certain Rules and Laws of the OT and particularly all 10 Commandments, on which entire Gospel of Jesus Christ is based upon, those commandments stand firm to be observed, followed, and must be fully implemented in our daily life, and the Sabbath is the one of them as essential Holiday and a special Day of holy convocation in respect and reverence to the Lord our GOD.


We actually can worship and serve the Lord all six days a week, there is no sin in it, but Sabbath is a special Day to praise and to thanks the Lord for His mercy, love, and blessings on those who have faith in Him and who worship Him in earnest.


About Seven Day Adventists, you are also right, they have some wacky traditions and doctrines of their founders. I would never join them as a Christian group, but because they do worship on Sabbath so and I do worship with them, but I stay away from their traditions.


God bless


Alex

Sad to read your claims, but Jesus ordered to observe the 10 commandments.

 

[SeventyTimes7]

I would say that people can be very legalistic about things in the OT which is what happened in the early church. That is why Paul did wouldn't eat meat for a time so as not to offend his hebrew christian brethren.

The OT was divided in the 10 commandments, in the moral law, social law, etc.
Basically the moral law and the social law is what we have today in our countries;
for example: if you kill you are condemned to go to jail or to die by an injection; in the Leviticus indeed if you killed then you also had to be killed, etc..
so:
The commandment: "You shall not kill"
Law: "if you kill you also must be killed"

Jesus ordered to observe the commandments:

Mark 10:17-22
17 And as he was going forth into the way, there ran one to him, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Teacher, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?
18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good save one, even God.
19 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not kill, Do not commit adultery, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Do not defraud, Honor thy father and mother.
20 And he said unto him, Teacher, all these things have I observed from my youth.
21 And Jesus looking upon him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.
22 But his countenance fell at the saying, and he went away sorrowful: for he was one that had great possessions.

ps. to help the poor was ordered by God since the OT

1 John 5:1-3
1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is begotten of God: and whosoever loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
2 Hereby we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and do his commandments.
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Indeed the commandment are easy to be observed (Exodus 20) despite our mortal flesh, but Jesus indeed ordered us to pray for to no fall in temptation cause the spirit is willing but the flesh is weak.

Revelation 14:12
Here is the patience of the saints, they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

The faith of Jesus was to fulfil the commandment cause he has not sin cause Jesus didn't kill, He didn't commit adultery nor false testimony, so Jesus of course observed the commandments.
There is a huge difference between The Commandments and The Law:
Commandment: Order of God
Law: Penality to all those who don't obey to the commandment

Today christians are submitted to the law of their countries which is not so far from the law of leviticus except the food and circumcision and some other stuff.
But the Commandments are different cause in our countries they teach there is no God or that you are free to believe in what you want, and it is not ordered to not tell blasphemies against God nor to have not other "gods", but these commandments must be observed in our own lives as Chsristians.

I make a typical example of people which thinks that the 10 commandments have been abolished:
The other day I saw a sister I met in a church that I used to attend; I asked her "How you doing?" she answered "I'm doing well I got divorced from my ex cause I was tired and then God told me I had to find a new man so I did that"............. And this woman changed 3 husbands.

I am not going to judge her, but that happens when some christians don't read nor observe the commandments of God and start to believe which the will of God comes from their own sinful thoughts.
How can we be guided by our thoughts if our thoughts are not good? We have a guide written by God's finger, The Commandments.

 

[Soyeong]

I am not a seventh day baptist, or had any contact with the adventists.
But i will tell you that free will baptists worship God everyday of the week because of the scripture that we worship him in spirit and in truth. And also, reading Galatians, it talks about not being bound to OT laws anymore, ie. Keeping kosher, keeping all the feast days etc.

People were able to worship God every day of the week back in during the time of Moses, but that doesn't mean that they weren't also to have a holy convocation. Also, there is a world of difference between saying that we don't need to keep God's commands in order to be justified and saying that we don't need to keep God's commands.

The sabbath day, keeping it holy, to me means having a rest on saturday. So i dont feel the need to go to church on saturdays for services. Because when think about it, the pastor has to 'work' on saturday by delivering the sermon and opening the church up etc. so on saturdays, the sabbath, its just a day to rest from work and do things that are enjoyable that cant do any other day of the week and apprciate Gods creation.

The command on the Sabbath is to rest from our work, not necessarily from God's work, which is why the priests who continued to do their duties on the Sabbath weren't in violation of it, though some pastors will say that they get paid for what they do during the rest of the week, not for delivering the sermon. However, part of keeping the Sabbath involves having a holy convocation, which does mean that we should be meeting for worship on Saturday.

The ot also talks about the land having its sabbaths, and thats just not the seventh day of the week but every seventh YEAR. So if youd been working for 14 years for example, you can have two years off work.

Ceasing from working the land is not the same thing as ceasing from working.