[PERMANENTLY CLOSED]Sex change?

[StephanieSomer]

Show me a 'serious scientific study' that is actually conclusive and empirical.
There are such a thing as psychologists who haven't been sucked in by the agenda. You act like it's been proven as true as the sky is blue, when all of it can be pretty much assumed as one's experience vs preference over any conclusion proposing it as innate.
The very fact that you say a kid who hasn't even undergone puberty or understands the hormones and feelings that come of it somehow 'knows' their gender says it all.

If you want my opinion, I think you get by on these forums because you, yourself are a transgender and nobody here can tell you or reveal that they think you are dishonest in your testimony. That would be against the rules, so what you say stands without much push back.
Which is a conflict of interest.

I'm not at all dishonest in my testimony or in my everyday life. I "get by" on these forums because i respond consistently and accurately to Scriptural issues with Scripture. Scripture in no way contradicts my transition.

"Empirical" studies? There are dozens of them. "Conclusive"? There are none that are conclusive. But, neither is there even a single study which reaches a different conclusion. The only possibility of a "conclusive" study would be to test each and every human under the study parameters. However, since those studies deal with cadavers, there's a problem there. However, all the questions which were posited by the results of the earlier studies were addressed in later ones and found to STILL reach the same conclusion.

 

[StephanieSomer]

according to the media they do

Show me. Or retract.

 

[mmksparbud]

OK--you are not listening and you are twisting what you do read.

This is a Christian forum--but all trangenders are not Christian. They can not achieve the perfection of spiritual oneness with God as you have. They have to do the best they can. I guess it's a matter of who we've met, and their level of contentment with their lot in life- I personally have not found an unhappy transgender, unless the unhappiness has been because they are not being accepted by those that matter to them. So maybe we both need to meet more of them?
I do wonder about the woman with the 12 year issue of blood that spent all her money on doctors trying to find a cure but couldn't, I do hope the issue of blood did not return after she was healed because she had not been contented with her self before she was healed. Or that poor cripple by the pool, waiting there for years, should have gone home and been contended with his lot, poor fool just kept looking for a cure instead, and I guess it's a good thing that Christ accidently healed him anyway. (Obviously couldn't be intentional healing as the poor guy had been wanting to be healed for years instead of being resigned to it.) You do not equate this with other medical problems, so that wouldn't be the same thing to you, I'm sure, so there again, there is no way of you seeing this in any other way than through the eyes of your own quite different dilemma.

Do you know who Christine Jorgensen was?? The first really public transgender back in 1951---she lived about another 38 years as female---and was never sorry about it, She died perfectly contented, as for being saved---don't know, not my place to judge that. I heard about her when I was around 12, thought it was the weirdest thing ever, but was intrigued and read more. Medical issues have always intrigued me. Have not met 1 single transgender person who has not been more than happy that they did it, and have not regretted it. I guess we'll find out eventually if Jenner is going to regret his decision, but for now, Caitlyn is giving a wonderful impression of being perfectly at peace with herself--and her mother, bless her, has come to terms with it and loves her--she misses Bruce, though.
Now--maybe someone needs to tell these people they're doing it all wrong and that they will never be happy with their decision.

http://www.answers.com/Q/How_many_people_in_this_world_are_transgender


If 1 in 1,000 is a transsexual who has had surgery, at least another 1 in 1,000 hasn't had the surgery but is in some way or another transgendered. Using the above calculation, 1,000,000 (1 million) men in the U.S. are transgendered, making it 1 in 500. If this applies worldwide (broad assumption) then 14,000,000 (14 million) men worldwide are transgendered - not including women. Using the DSM IV's estimate of 3 : 1 (transsexuals) then 14,000,000 men and 4,666,000 women for a total guesstimate of at least 18,666,000 transgendered persons worldwide.

My pastor once told me that for the unsaved, he hopes they find their happiness in this world, for that is all they will ever have and it seems a shame to be miserable on this earth and then end up in hell also---which is what will happen to most. He'd rather they be saved, but if not, then he had enough compassion for them to wish them all the peace and joy that this world has for them.

Like I said, you are not paying attention---I never said that if a child identifies with the opposite sex, then they are transgender. I said that transgenders don't wish they were the opposite sex, they feel they are. My friends child never said, I wish I were a boy, or I want to be a boy-----she said, very young---"I am boy." That is all that I can say about this. Just presenting what I have found out through the years. You experience, is, obviously, different.

 

[StephanieSomer]

so, when a child identifies more with the opposite sex and the parent refuses to accept this, it is transgender? Man, I must be transgender and never knew it. I have always identified more with the opposite sex, have friends who have to, and none of us are transgender. I also have friends that tried to raise their kids the opposite sex and they aren't transgender either.

Like I said, what specifically would tell a parent that their child might be transgender? that way we have an early detection system in place so as to help them avoid a lot of hurt in their lives. Apparently, I am evidence and some of my friends are evidence that just identifying with the opposite sex or parents denying sex isn't enough....what are the symptoms so to speak so we can have early diagnosis

Very simple, but you dismiss it. The child does. There is absolutely no test to verify what a person's gender is. Gender has nothing to do with chromosomes, or genitalia. It's an internal sense. It is experienced solely by the person owning it. It is expressed outwardly through many avenues, and not all people express it the same. But, the truth remains that the only expert opinion on what a person's gender is is the person themself.

 

[katerinah1947]

I'm not at all dishonest in my testimony or in my everyday life. I "get by" on these forums because i respond consistently and accurately to Scriptural issues with Scripture. Scripture in no way contradicts my transition.

"Empirical" studies? There are dozens of them. "Conclusive"? There are none that are conclusive. But, neither is there even a single study which reaches a different conclusion. The only possibility of a "conclusive" study would be to test each and every human under the study parameters. However, since those studies deal with cadavers, there's a problem there. However, all the questions which were posited by the results of the earlier studies were addressed in later ones and found to STILL reach the same conclusion.

Stephanie,
In the reference section to this are plenty of expert testimonies. And there are studies mentioned. Some to all of these studues, are more than conclusive. Start at page 15, but this whole report is really about how conclusive the information is now.
It is totally conclusive.
http://www.hhs.gov/dab/decisions/dabdecisions/dab2576.pdf
LOVE,
...Mary., .... .

 

[katerinah1947]

OK--you are not listening and you are twisting what you do read.

This is a Christian forum--but all trangenders are not Christian. They can not achieve the perfection of spiritual oneness with God as you have. They have to do the best they can. I guess it's a matter of who we've met, and their level of contentment with their lot in life- I personally have not found an unhappy transgender, unless the unhappiness has been because they are not being accepted by those that matter to them. So maybe we both need to meet more of them?
I do wonder about the woman with the 12 year issue of blood that spent all her money on doctors trying to find a cure but couldn't, I do hope the issue of blood did not return after she was healed because she had not been contented with her self before she was healed. Or that poor cripple by the pool, waiting there for years, should have gone home and been contended with his lot, poor fool just kept looking for a cure instead, and I guess it's a good thing that Christ accidently healed him anyway. (Obviously couldn't be intentional healing as the poor guy had been wanting to be healed for years instead of being resigned to it.) You do not equate this with other medical problems, so that wouldn't be the same thing to you, I'm sure, so there again, there is no way of you seeing this in any other way than through the eyes of your own quite different dilemma.

Do you know who Christine Jorgensen was?? The first really public transgender back in 1951---she lived about another 38 years as female---and was never sorry about it, She died perfectly contented, as for being saved---don't know, not my place to judge that. I heard about her when I was around 12, thought it was the weirdest thing ever, but was intrigued and read more. Medical issues have always intrigued me. Have not met 1 single transgender person who has not been more than happy that they did it, and have not regretted it. I guess we'll find out eventually if Jenner is going to regret his decision, but for now, Caitlyn is giving a wonderful impression of being perfectly at peace with herself--and her mother, bless her, has come to terms with it and loves her--she misses Bruce, though.
Now--maybe someone needs to tell these people they're doing it all wrong and that they will never be happy with their decision.

http://www.answers.com/Q/How_many_people_in_this_world_are_transgender


If 1 in 1,000 is a transsexual who has had surgery, at least another 1 in 1,000 hasn't had the surgery but is in some way or another transgendered. Using the above calculation, 1,000,000 (1 million) men in the U.S. are transgendered, making it 1 in 500. If this applies worldwide (broad assumption) then 14,000,000 (14 million) men worldwide are transgendered - not including women. Using the DSM IV's estimate of 3 : 1 (transsexuals) then 14,000,000 men and 4,666,000 women for a total guesstimate of at least 18,666,000 transgendered persons worldwide.

My pastor once told me that for the unsaved, he hopes they find their happiness in this world, for that is all they will ever have and it seems a shame to be miserable on this earth and then end up in hell also---which is what will happen to most. He'd rather they be saved, but if not, then he had enough compassion for them to wish them all the peace and joy that this world has for them.

Like I said, you are not paying attention---I never said that if a child identifies with the opposite sex, then they are transgender. I said that transgenders don't wish they were the opposite sex, they feel they are. My friends child never said, I wish I were a boy, or I want to be a boy-----she said, very young---"I am boy." That is all that I can say about this. Just presenting what I have found out through the years. You experience, is, obviously, different.

Hi,
In support of you, start on page 15. This report is totally conclusive.
http://www.hhs.gov/dab/decisions/dabdecisions/dab2576.pdf
LOVE,
...Mary., .... .

 

[katerinah1947]

Hi,
Whoever is trying to think, there are no conclusive studies on the Transgender, here is a report which indicates, that there is now much. In 1981, they say there wasn't enough. Now, they say there is tons of proven, conclusive information out there on being transgendered.
Start on page 15.
http://www.hhs.gov/dab/decisions/dabdecisions/dab2576.pdf
LOVE,
...Mary., .... .

 

[StephanieSomer]

I never said that if a child identifies with the opposite sex, then they are transgender. I said that transgenders don't wish they were the opposite sex, they feel they are. My friends child never said, I wish I were a boy, or I want to be a boy-----she said, very young---"I am boy." That is all that I can say about this. Just presenting what I have found out through the years. You experience, is, obviously, different.

You have no idea how refreshing it is when a cis-gender person demonstrates that they DO get it. I get so used to most cis-gender people misquoting and misconstruing what I, and other transsexuals, say about what we experience, that I expect them to not understand. I'm so glad you made the exception. There's still hope for this world.

 

[Zandy12]

Lafemme, I would like to have a say on this, I hope you take my view on this to some acceptance. If you want to have a sex change, due to todays political stance, you can have it. You have that right and let no one take it away from you, you do what makes you happy. Don't let anyone's words on here hurt or influence you directly. If you want a sex change, that's Ok. Only one problem and that it is this, you can't have one. It is impossible, even in today's technology, no matter how many people in the media fool you, your gender will be always a part of who you are. Surgery will never change the fact what god originally made you to be. It's not normal. I understand that you dealing with a really hard circumstance, but I don't believe its more so a biological one, but more of a psychological issue (feel free to insult me). It's not normal for a human being to hate their gender, and Its impossible to have a sex change at all. You should embrace what god made you, why do you have to pay to change who you truly are?

 

[Farm Truck]

I want to change my gender for a long time now. Does God consider trans men to be male? Is it a sin?

Yes, it is a sin to be "effeminate" because that is twisting what God did which was create you to be a man.

God did not make a mistake and to desire to oppose God is sinful, so if you do not repent... eternity ain't gonna be nuthin nice.

Why not allow the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ purge you from these thoughts that are not from Him and come to you from satan who seeks to turn you away from God? Read John 15 carefully.

 

[StephanieSomer]

Stephanie,
In the reference section to this are plenty of expert testimonies. And there are studies mentioned. Some to all of these studues, are more than conclusive. Start at page 15, but this whole report is really about how conclusive the information is now.
It is totally conclusive.
http://www.hhs.gov/dab/decisions/dabdecisions/dab2576.pdf
LOVE,
...Mary., .... .

I have read and bookmarked dozens of such reports and studies. I get it that it's conclusive enough for the AMA to identify it as a medical condition and not a mental one. And, I also get it that nearly every single major psychological association in the world also recognizes it as a medical condition. However, I must be honest and admit that according to the dictionary definition of "conclusive", it is not. But, as I already stated, it can only BE conclusive if every single individual in the human population goes through the study parameters. To do that, they must first be dead, since the tests used cannot be performed on a living person without killing them. This is exactly why studies make use of statistics in their conclusions. And, statistically, there is almost zero possibility of the conclusions reached being incorrect. Additionally, those studies have been repeated several times, by different clinical research teams, in different parts of the world, and have all reached nearly identical results. It's more than sufficiently conclusive to any honestly searching person. It will never be sufficient for anyone who has already formed an opinion and refuses to look at the evidence honestly.

 

[StephanieSomer]

Lafemme, I would like to have a say on this, I hope you take my view on this to some acceptance. If you want to have a sex change, due to todays political stance, you can have it. You have that right and let no one take it away from you, you do what makes you happy. Don't let anyone's words on here hurt or influence you directly. If you want a sex change, that's Ok. Only one problem and that it is this, you can't have one. It is impossible, even in today's technology, no matter how many people in the media fool you, your gender will be always a part of who you are. Surgery will never change the fact what god originally made you to be. It's not normal. I understand that you dealing with a really hard circumstance, but I don't believe its more so a biological one, but more of a psychological issue (feel free to insult me). It's not normal for a human being to hate their gender, and Its impossible to have a sex change at all. You should embrace what god made you, why do you have to pay to change who you truly are?

You are confusing and equating gender and sex. Gender isn't a physical trait. It isn't a genetic trait. It is in the brain's construction and wiring. You DID make one correct statement. You cannot change your gender. THAT is correct. However, you CAN change your phenotypical sex to align with the gender which is already present. THAT is exactly what transition is all about.

 

[StephanieSomer]

Yes, it is a sin to be "effeminate" because that is twisting what God did which was create you to be a man.

God did not make a mistake and to desire to oppose God is sinful, so if you do not repent... eternity ain't gonna be nuthin nice.

Why not allow the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ purge you from these thoughts that are not from Him and come to you from satan who seeks to turn you away from God? Read John 15 carefully.

Why does everyone always jump to the "God made a mistake" argument? I've never heard a single transsexual say that. I happen to know a couple of hundred transsexuals. How many have you met that said such a thing?

Your exegesis is heavily flawed. You're twisting Scripture to mean things which it never said. I'm not opposing God in my transition. If I didn't have His blessing on it, I wouldn't be doing it.

 

[Farm Truck]

If I didn't have His blessing on it, I wouldn't be doing it.

Well, that all depends on WHO you are calling God.

Beware, there is a false jesus runnin around playing like he is the real Jesus giving out false affirmation for all kinds of things God does not accept.

God's Word teaches what you are doing is a sin and is not accepted by Him. He never changes, and He cannot lie so you might want to repent and ask the real Jesus to forgive you.

He will have mercy on you if you do.
If you don't he won't.

If you do not believe ay of this, then carry on as you were... in the end we'll all find out if God's Word is true or not.

 

[Armoured]

God's Word teaches what you are doing is a sin and is not accepted by Him.

Where does "God's word" even mention it?

 

[katerinah1947]

Yes, it is a sin to be "effeminate" because that is twisting what God did which was create you to be a man.

God did not make a mistake and to desire to oppose God is sinful, so if you do not repent... eternity ain't gonna be nuthin nice.

Why not allow the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ purge you from these thoughts that are not from Him and come to you from satan who seeks to turn you away from God? Read John 15 carefully.

Hi,
I have let and asked for God to change me, to show me the errors of my ways, and He has talked to me, which is verified, but He never once told me being transgendered is wrong. Jesus doesn't. The Holy Spirit doesn't. God The Father does not.
Essentially the point you are making, is that you think it is wrong, and Jesus will fix this because it is wrong.
If it is wrong He would fix this. In the long term, there have been zero people changed from transgendered to cis gendered by God. Zero.
If God does not change anyone, and every sin like murder, theft, lies has had people changed by God so they don't do that anymore, then that is a question for all of us. And were it not handled by God, in Genesis 1:28, with do Science all you Chrisitians, then we would have no place to look to find out why God, has changed no transgendered person long term, into being cisgendered. And that is not all, today.
If God had not given us Romans 13:1-5, again with the obligations by all Christians to follow the government laws, then we would have no place of certainty, as to find out why God has changed zero of us, long term.
In the short term, I have even forgotten for years that I was this way. The way I am is boy body, girl inside.
Also if God did not give us His laws on and in our hearts, both conditions, then some of us who are trangendered would still not know that we are. God did do that.
Also if God did not give us His laws on and in our mind, those two places also, then some of us transgendered would not know what to do about being transgendered.
God has changed zero of us long term. Short term some are convinced. I was for about a year. I have forgotten for even longer periods of time. Yet, I am a female. And my whole life proves it. You don't know my whole life, yet. All of those people who do know me, give a big: 'Oh so that's why!!!' That is why I was never ever a standard male. Rather, I was the male I wanted to be, if I were a male inside.
What happened with that, is all the guys were impressed and liked me. Most of the women were impressed by me also. Why? The guy I was, was like a movie character, he was invented, because some people had convinced me this was wrong with God.
Only it's not wrong with God. It's only wrong with those who don't know God well enough yet.
LOVE,
...Mary., .... .

 

[katerinah1947]

Lafemme, I would like to have a say on this, I hope you take my view on this to some acceptance. If you want to have a sex change, due to todays political stance, you can have it. You have that right and let no one take it away from you, you do what makes you happy. Don't let anyone's words on here hurt or influence you directly. If you want a sex change, that's Ok. Only one problem and that it is this, you can't have one. It is impossible, even in today's technology, no matter how many people in the media fool you, your gender will be always a part of who you are. Surgery will never change the fact what god originally made you to be. It's not normal. I understand that you dealing with a really hard circumstance, but I don't believe its more so a biological one, but more of a psychological issue (feel free to insult me). It's not normal for a human being to hate their gender, and Its impossible to have a sex change at all. You should embrace what god made you, why do you have to pay to change who you truly are?

Hi,
None of the transgendered, are changing their genders. You are right, everyone is right, if I am female, nothing anyone does surgically, or biologically can change that. I am a girl.
You say it is a psychological issue. Wow, I wish you were right. Do, you know how much fun, I can have in this male body???? Lots. I scuba dive. I fly airplanes. I shoot. I have two trophies for that. I hunt. Girls love me. Guys love me. I have a degree in EE. I am a researcher. If I turn my brain on to maximum capacity, few can match me. I am that rare. I can run companies. Life would be great, if I truly were male, in this male body.
The only two people that I personally know of who say that the problem of the Transgender is psychological, are widely flawed scientists and their public quotations are absurd to all of us who do science for a living.
One of them says this, If I compare the Trangendered before and after surgery for the Trangender issue to people who never have been transgendered, and never probably will be transgendered, there is a difference between those two groups. This proves that being Transgendered is not taken care of by any measure, with medical intervention. All it is doing is contributing to their problems.
Do you see the problems with his statements. The rest of do.
I understand you feel this is wrong. It is not. I don't like it. Yet, if I did not have this issue, much about me and ones like me, would not be so astoundingly helpful to the world.
LOVE,
...Mary., .... .

 

[razzelflabben]

Show me. Or retract.

the easiest to find are here http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...&mid=98276C9297811C483B8398276C9297811C483B83
media paints the picture that cross sex hormones are given to youth....sorry, but it is the picture the media paints.

 

[razzelflabben]

OK--you are not listening and you are twisting what you do read.

This is a Christian forum--but all trangenders are not Christian. They can not achieve the perfection of spiritual oneness with God as you have. They have to do the best they can. I guess it's a matter of who we've met, and their level of contentment with their lot in life- I personally have not found an unhappy transgender, unless the unhappiness has been because they are not being accepted by those that matter to them. So maybe we both need to meet more of them?
I do wonder about the woman with the 12 year issue of blood that spent all her money on doctors trying to find a cure but couldn't, I do hope the issue of blood did not return after she was healed because she had not been contented with her self before she was healed. Or that poor cripple by the pool, waiting there for years, should have gone home and been contended with his lot, poor fool just kept looking for a cure instead, and I guess it's a good thing that Christ accidently healed him anyway. (Obviously couldn't be intentional healing as the poor guy had been wanting to be healed for years instead of being resigned to it.) You do not equate this with other medical problems, so that wouldn't be the same thing to you, I'm sure, so there again, there is no way of you seeing this in any other way than through the eyes of your own quite different dilemma.

now you just seem to be talking gibberish...I mean, who said anything about the situation returning to pre change state simply because the discontentment followed? The main problem I have with trying to talk about transgender issues is this very thing right here. You try to start a dialog in order to come to an understanding and everything that is being said is twisted into some sort of justification for the "feel good, do whatever I want" mentality that is so prevalent in our world right now. And just as a reminder, I am the one who equated it to all issues, including medical and I am the one who said that contentment does NOT mean not wanting a change. So, your just evidencing the problem, there can be no communication on the topic as long as all anyone will do is try to justify and not talk. Reminds me of a certain election, in which you couldn't be opposed to a certain candidate unless you were racist. Really! Asking legit questions is not the problem the problem is replies like the one you are giving. Oh, and just for the record, this type of respond, tends to push me towards it not being a legit claim to be transgender, cause if it was, you could simply answer the questions and move on, not try to reinvent the questions so you sound justified. IOW's your doing more harm to your cause by responding this way. Oh and one more thing before we move on, I already addressed the non believer, so again, your just trying to justify your position too hard, which makes it look like you are trying to hide the truth....

Do you know who Christine Jorgensen was?? The first really public transgender back in 1951---she lived about another 38 years as female---and was never sorry about it, She died perfectly contented, as for being saved---don't know, not my place to judge that. I heard about her when I was around 12, thought it was the weirdest thing ever, but was intrigued and read more. Medical issues have always intrigued me. Have not met 1 single transgender person who has not been more than happy that they did it, and have not regretted it. I guess we'll find out eventually if Jenner is going to regret his decision, but for now, Caitlyn is giving a wonderful impression of being perfectly at peace with herself--and her mother, bless her, has come to terms with it and loves her--she misses Bruce, though.

but see, that isn't even the question that was presented, reinventing the question so you can justify does more harm than good to your position, but I already said that, so moving on to see if there is anything relevant at all in your post.

Now--maybe someone needs to tell these people they're doing it all wrong and that they will never be happy with their decision.

http://www.answers.com/Q/How_many_people_in_this_world_are_transgender


If 1 in 1,000 is a transsexual who has had surgery, at least another 1 in 1,000 hasn't had the surgery but is in some way or another transgendered. Using the above calculation, 1,000,000 (1 million) men in the U.S. are transgendered, making it 1 in 500. If this applies worldwide (broad assumption) then 14,000,000 (14 million) men worldwide are transgendered - not including women. Using the DSM IV's estimate of 3 : 1 (transsexuals) then 14,000,000 men and 4,666,000 women for a total guesstimate of at least 18,666,000 transgendered persons worldwide.

My pastor once told me that for the unsaved, he hopes they find their happiness in this world, for that is all they will ever have and it seems a shame to be miserable on this earth and then end up in hell also---which is what will happen to most. He'd rather they be saved, but if not, then he had enough compassion for them to wish them all the peace and joy that this world has for them.

nothing in that even resembles anything I asked.....

Like I said, you are not paying attention---I never said that if a child identifies with the opposite sex, then they are transgender. I said that transgenders don't wish they were the opposite sex, they feel they are. My friends child never said, I wish I were a boy, or I want to be a boy-----she said, very young---"I am boy." That is all that I can say about this. Just presenting what I have found out through the years. You experience, is, obviously, different.

Notice I said identifies, not proclaims...I said that just because I identify with the opposite sex, as in, I wish I were the opposite sex doesn't mean I'm transgender and since that is all you offered us as evidence of a young child showing early signs, you need to either evidence that all of us that identify with the opposite sex and wish we were the opposite sex are transgender or change your claim somehow. In fact, here is a hint for you, I have always wished I was the opposite sex, but I have never been transgender. I have always identified more with the opposite sex, but I am not transgender. I had to learn to be content, and when I did, I discovered that changing my sex would not change my gender and so, yeah, I do speak from a position of understanding better than most non transgenders. So, before you judge me as you do above by twisting my question so you sound righteous, take a moment to ask yourself why I would ask questions if I already thought I had all the answers.

 

[razzelflabben]

Very simple, but you dismiss it. The child does. There is absolutely no test to verify what a person's gender is. Gender has nothing to do with chromosomes, or genitalia. It's an internal sense. It is experienced solely by the person owning it. It is expressed outwardly through many avenues, and not all people express it the same. But, the truth remains that the only expert opinion on what a person's gender is is the person themself.

and we know that no child can be wrong? How do we know that? See, so far all anyone has presented is characteristics that don't identify gender, only our stereotypes based on the society that we live ijn, which makes me wonder if it is more a social problem than a gender problem. In fact, I asked a question about how God who says He doesn't see male or female, can treat someone as female, and I get no response.

Based on the responses I have gotten so far, I am beginning to think this is just a mirage to justify a need for attention, rather than a real issue. Now you all had an opportunity to push me the other way, but to do so means you have to ask questions with misrepresenting them, actually answer question, and offer more than "take my word for it". Currently I am working on my doctorate in pastoral counseling, and if there is no way to identify a true transgender other than "to take their word for it" I'm saying it doesn't really exist. I find it sad though that you all pushed me the opposite direction you want people to go on this issue. Very sad indeed.