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[dlamberth]

Well, that is a choice...not Christian or biblical...but it's a choice.

But it is a choice that keeps God in ones sights.

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[dlamberth]

Yeah, sure, like going through life tuned into a smart phone. If you are only looking at the natural world, you are missing what's going on over your head.

I like your smart phone analogy. Using it, if your talking about Nature and this Creation, if you look through it, you have a direct connection to what is being transmitted. There is no separation between this Creation and the source of all.


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I like your smart phone analogy. Using it, if your talking about Nature and this Creation, if you look through it, you have a direct connection to what is being transmitted. There is no separation between this Creation and the source of all.


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What's with the dot? Don't do that. It look silly and will make people think you are the sock of someone else who does that.

 

[dlamberth]

What's with the dot? Don't do that. It look silly and will make people think you are the sock of someone else who does that.

It's just a habit I've been doing for the past 15 years that I've been here. Habits are hard to break.

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[[serious]]

It's just a habit I've been doing for the past 15 years that I've been here. Habits are hard to break.

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I'm assuming when you type a resume up you don't do it. I'd try and break the habit on forums as well. If nothing else, this forum already has a guy who does something similar and who posts about climate change denial/conspiracies. Some people will likely assume you are a sock puppet of him if you do that on the reg.

Also, weird unnecessary things like that can be distracting in a post. I was actually intending to respond to yourpost itself, but got distracted by the weird dot thing.

 

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Anyway, getting back to the phone analogy, what we see displayed on the phone screen is only a small part of the system and data being transmitted. It isn't necessarily even reflective of all the signals flying around us. To take this analogy a step further, assuming that your phone screen is the absolute truth about the signals flying all around you would be like assuming the one narrow interpretation of the bible you were presented with as a child is the absolute be all and end all of Christianity.

 

[bhsmte]

Yeah, sure, like going through life tuned into a smart phone. If you are only looking at the natural world, you are missing what's going on over your head.

You haven't shown me I am missing anything.

When you can, with anything but just not evidenced claims, let me know.

 

[bhsmte]

You have obviously chosen yours.

Why then, do you refuse to leave the comfort of the natural world to explore what millions and millions of people say is true? No fair sighting facts from the natural world. Again, a choice...only substantiated by your own prejudices (beliefs).

It's not a religious matter, not to me. It's a matter of reality. Not limited reality. If I wanted to limit my comments to natural reality, I would pat him on the back and say "Good job." But, him, as a religious man deserves not to be patronize and left out of the greater truth. As do you.

Likewise, it is one thing to departmentalize areas of study. It is entirely different to pretend that the others don't exist, or that they mix, when really the don't. But based on the fact that he does mix the two, is evidence that he would "like" to believe in God, but doesn't really "know" him (his evidence is all natural, and nothing spiritual). Just being honest.

Who is claiming the natural world is comfortable?

I would think, believing in an invisible entity, that will give me eternal life, to be much more of a security blanket.

 

[dlamberth]

It's not a religious matter, not to me. It's a matter of reality. Not limited reality. If I wanted to limit my comments to natural reality, I would pat him on the back and say "Good job." But, him, as a religious man deserves not to be patronize and left out of the greater truth. As do you.

Oh, but it is a religious matter. Francis Collins is able to find that place where he's able combine science with his Christian life. That's important. I think it wrong headed to dismiss him so off handed.

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[Michael]

As is your inability to substantiate your assertions.

http://www.christianforums.com/threads/sheepeople.7898632/page-33#post-68376968

Move.

Substantiation isn't the problem. Your denial routine, including the denial of your own statements is the problem.

 

[Michael]

It's only wisdom if it points to his particular deity.

You still haven't figured out the difference between monotheism and multiple religions I see.

 

[Michael]

I asked this of a religionist in another thread, on the subject of Islamic extremists, and he said "They believe in the opposite of the God I believe in."

Opposite is not the same.

Ya, and Republicans and Democrats tend to believe opposite things about the same President too. You're burying yourself at this point because you're deliberately misusing terms, and you haven't figured out the concept of monotheism. The fact there are multiple religions does *not* mean there are multiple "gods". That's simply another example of "choices" you make in terms of your personal "beliefs" about the topic of God (singular).

 

[Michael]

"Refuse" implies intent. Belief is not a conscious choice. I, for one, cannot simply flip a 'switch' in my head and decide that "Today, I shall believe in gods".

What "gods"? You clearly hold the belief that multiple religions = multiple "gods", whereas monotheism doesn't suggest anything of the sort. You *choose* your belief about God, including your "belief" that multiple religions somehow equates to multiple Gods. That's like claiming that different cosmology beliefs demonstrate the existence of multiple universes (plural).

 

[Michael]

What is this "good authority" that you allude to? Will this involve circular reasoning?

Er, no. Jesus is in fact a "good authority" on the topic of God as witnessed by the fact that Christians and Muslims both revere him as a "teacher" about God (singular), and combined they represent more than 1/2 the planet.

 

[dlamberth]

Er, no. Jesus is in fact a "good authority" on the topic of God as witnessed by the fact that Christians and Muslims both revere him as a "teacher" about God (singular), and combined they represent more than 1/2 the planet.

As part of continuing a side discussion with you related to Panenthism, have you looked at the ideas around the CosmicChrist? The ideas around the CosmicChrist works hand in hand with Panentheism. It works for me as a way to look beyond the man named Jesus, and in a way that extends through the whole of the universe. I've read a Sufi mystics who said that Christ is the Light of the Universe. That's a Panentheist perspective.

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[ScottA]

Who is claiming the natural world is comfortable?

I would think, believing in an invisible entity, that will give me eternal life, to be much more of a security blanket.

Then why is it that you lot are so determined to keep grounded in the known world...while we are the ones who have braved leaving that mother's skirt?

 

[ScottA]

Yes. You fallacy was challenged. Step up to the plate, or back to the dugout. Continue the game you started.

Oh...it's all so predictable: First you challenge me to produce evidence of another world with evidence from this world. Then I challenge you to prove ANYTHING about this world, and you bury me with earth-bound nonsense you cannot prove. Then after a couple thousand exchanges of evidence that cannot be proven...I ask, [DRUM ROLL] "And what happened be for that?

And you say, "I don't know." Which of course I already knew.

So you try to turn the tables on me, and ask me, "SO...WHAT HAPPENED BEFORE WHAT YOU SAID?"

And I give you the answer (because I know the answer). But even though you cannot answer the same question...and never could...you still don't believe me.

End of story.

...There. I just save us all from your "I don't know" ending.

 

[Larniavc]

That [sorry to have to say] is a ghetto mentality. There are other choices...with hope, substantiated by a complete linage of historic events. Why do you stay on a dead end path, listening to naysayers and their limited close-circuit info?

Listen, obviously there are at least two sides to this whole God vs. nature thing...but if you never look at the big picture and realize that God oversees nature, then you are just living in your own little world. What do you expect? You may as well stay indoors.

When you say 'look at the big picture' what you seem to actually be saying is 'see it my way'.

I have looked at the big picture and there seems to be reality vs wishful thinking.

 

[Loudmouth]

Of course not...it's a riddle. There is only ONE truth. If you intend to navigate through the confusion, you must decipher it correctly. There is only one way through, the rest are dead ends (literally).

I see lots of claims, but zero evidence.

 

[Loudmouth]

Oh...it's all so predictable: First you challenge me to produce evidence of another world with evidence from this world.

Mars is another world, yet we can find objective evidence that it exists.

Why don't you show us the objective evidence that you discovered which led you to accept this other world as being real.