Stumbling block in forgivness

[FanthatSpark]

Reread this entire thread and yes a pat on the back would be much appreciated . As this thread progresses one thing has not progressed in self. I can in no way hold negativeness for when I do a stepping out of love is required. I find I do this at times and want to share it with my brothers and sisters. Names and content are not here so one can continue in good repute.

In this forum one took a name to heart that was given in jest. We have since parted ways of their own choosing. The lesson learned when "I" started joking around, "I" hurt someones feelings. This grieves the Spirit and the outcome was loss of a friend. Apologies were given yet they did not take seed in a hardened heart towards FTS by his own doing. Not practicing what one preaches is the term hypocrite. I fall into that all the time family as what is written here "sounds good" but I am human and slip every now and again and in jest one lost a friend here in. Soo, this is to show that all are wretches, especially self. Do I live there, certainly not . So don't get it in the head RMS that wretchedness is exclusive to you alone. I suffer too.

 

[FanthatSpark]

family,

Going to bring this scripture for discussion. 1 Cor:14:33 For God is not a God of confusion but of peace. As in all the churches of the saints, . ESV. KJV
33For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

It has been seen that perceptions very in our process. Some use the verse above to combat others process, sanctification, perception that it causes confusion.

For me too as I used knowledge (literal sense) for translation of scripture. In process comes us/people/humanity. We are the root of confusion to the fruits of the Spirit Gal 5:22-23. There is no confusion to that state of being as written in 1 Cor:14:33 . However, if we are not feeling Gal:5:22-23 then we are the problem. There is confusion in our process to live in those fruits . Just like a therapist that uses knowledge to deal in whatever may be the psychological hang up, in the end, a letting go is the only cure to the mind. In letting go, acceptance that we/people/humanity are the confusion in acquiring Gal 5:22-23. So, in confusion we seek in knowledge of scripture but apply it negatively to ultimately, self, that manifests in a negativity applied to self believed upon to the very root of the mind and further apply it to another in correctness of knowledge. Because of this, our pride will not move over in things like law applied to selves. We refuse to look at confusedness to being and or why we do not function in Galatians written truth combined to 1 Cor:14:33. Separation in the vastness of knowledge that knowledge to correctness of worship stems ultimately in us/confusion to above truth God authors no confusion to state of being.

So, once again... Can we hold hate in Galatians 5:22-23 even to principalities where holding hate is confusion that is not of God to our limited being ?

Yes, we can hate but that is the crux of this whole thread that anyone teaching hate looses sight of.... we can not hold hate period for it stems in us only, not God, or the verses above are seen as lies. In pride to our natural state we have an escape goat of Lucifer to dump our nature to and no forgiveness is taught that we are children of that principality, John 8:44, correct? To further the concept , we and Lucifer are the same so a forgiveness to self for the inherent being inside every human John 8:44 to forgive for loves sake/God 1 John 4:8, that we functioned in confusion so a growth of Spirit can manifest while we perfect love as this world tries to keep the hate in Lucifer going to prevent a true clearing of the mind so one can start building another foundation in Gal:5:22-23. For me, a true thing is apparent, I can not hold hate and or un-forgiveness of any nature or "I" practice confusion to Galatians.

As above post states , I do not find perfectness in my process at all times, however that is...process, family . Furthermore, this is not a worship Lucifer thread. This is a thought process that "I" am limited and to not forgive in totality is to practice confusion to my state of being in apparent inheritance of dimensional reality of choice... Love or confusion to being. Another way to look at this is Lucifer lied in Genesis, I lied too. I seek forgiveness. Lucifer will too, yet not today for he is confused. How do "I" not forgive today in faith of Gods love as "I" want same forgiveness? I can not operate in a double standard of hate this but not that for it is confusion in pride that one can hate. Yes, I want... Lucifer does not "want"... However, for me, a full circle comes about. In my blip in the time line God loved me first, the undeserved, so "I" can love in return to even Lucifer the most undeserved being in forgiveness. That is all this mind, body and soul can offer even though Lucifer refuses it and for that forgiveness hate will be the return, for he is master here in this level of existence. The judgment of Lucifer is Gods alone for I enter the kingdom through Jesus not my judgment of sin/Lucifer. My/humanities limitation once again is operate in love to confusion and expect hate for truth/love/God/goodness where one clears the mind of all things not of love including ???

 

[2KnowHim]

Me and my hubby has enjoyed this thread very much thank you for sharing your heart FTS, and others here.
We can't give what we don't have....in order to have, we must first recieve, in order to receive, we must have a willing heart to let go of things we do have.
Such as "Self images" the enemy tells us. If we continue to hold to the idea we are wretched, sinners, and all our faults, then what is that saying about the One who gave His Life for us, not to mention His Forgiveness towards us...

Doesn't that lift us and our faults above Him and what He has done for us?
We can't take up our bed up and walk with Him, if we can't receive His forgiveness first. Is it important? YES, very much so.

For Jesus said: Which is easier to say your sins be forgiven, or take up your bed and walk?
Jesus knew that it was necessary for us to receive forgiveness first from Him, because it is the mind of sin that keeps us Bound (just like the man was in this scripture) so that we cannot walk with Him.

Our enemies are of our own household, we are to forgive our enemies, yes, as He has forgiven us already.
If He is for us, then who can be against us.
Just my two cents.

 

[jugghead]

This is hubby (to 2KnowHim), what she said and I would like to add ...... I have read this thread completely and would like to thank all who participated in it, when iron sharpens iron who can be against us.

I have been shown things from a different perspective in many of the things stated and have grown even more in understanding.

I thank Him for bringing me alongside to walk in His way.

jugghead
(and for those who may not know; jugghead is an acronym for Justified Under God's Grace Having Every Answer Delivered)

 

[FanthatSpark]

Hi family ,
Nice job and a pat on the back given for reading this as a whole, jug .

Process differs in each of us . Some know love , some do not , some are aware of the human felt love , some do not. Some are lost to knowledge first and in sincere ignorance ignore Eph:3:19 (Like I did for a long season ). It is difficult for some where we focus on unfairness of treatment this world will offer (This is but one example in the millions this world can offer to make us think in negativity even to self. Sit back and reflect on what causes you the reader to go negative and or ignore 1 Cor: 14:33. ). For me, this caused confusion to being. In pride I could not grasp I am limited in choice. A lot of sin in that confusion was my plate and still is at times as one perfects love (sanctification). How does one find peace of mind in negative ... Thought process, actions and negative belief applied to self and or existence? That is judgment of the flesh that Jesus says He does not do. Man, we would be lost surely if the baptism did not exist amen! We love for He loved us first, now and tomorrow as it is written in 1 John 4:19 and Heb:13:8.

All in all the question lies inside us the limited vessel. Where in self, when I hold to hate of any nature including principalities I have caused confusion to love, perfecting love and no peace to my mind can exist if I do not understand my limitedness. Some fundamental things had to be addressed ,,, For me. One, set this mind to receive hate for love in this world = persecution. Two, because I am human I need to know what agape is in His will = measure Rom 12:3. Three, sequester to be saturated in love unfathomable to the known depravity inside of self that He already knows. Four, reciprocate to another like I do with God in love for loves sake and expect persecution but anything good is from God .

This thread has fluidity of body and mind connected to time line we all must accept in another limitation of us the vessel . For me, this started as a stumbling block from creation date. One has prayed, researched and prayed somemore and this truth remains. I can not hold to unforgiveness for it stems in negativity of thought process even too principalities in a universal fact. Humanity is limited and can not function in hate this but not that. For me, that is biggest grabbing of the God head in the original lie we will be gods so sayeth Lucifer Gen 3:5 in applying knowledge of good and evil. I have no 1 Cor:13 7-8 inherent in me upon that day but John 8:44 as he continues to try to beguile the mind even today in holding negativity as if "I" could and function in Gal:5:22-23. Thus I must forgive complete, or I function in confusion like law. Law is knowledge of sin that I used to apply to self and, the big trick, to others so nobody focuses on my plank in the eye in the biggest trick of them all authored by Lucifer that we judge in no love but knowledge. So, to clear the mind Rom:12-2 and loose conformity well ingrained by people, places, situations and things. "!" have to prepare for transformation in my limited existence of what this mind can hold in agape or untruth to my limitedness that tricks the mind that vengeance is mine. So, I forgive complete and let God and peace of fear, hate, negativity is infirmed in faith of 1 Cor :13: 7-8 that is of agape when I replace charity/love with the term God that is scripturally sound when one hooks 1 John 4:8 first to that terminology above in charity/love . That was/is the Spirit buster for me where in knowledge that eluded the sanity of being as I was in fear and would knock out entire chapters in avoidance of hell. Lost in that time of insanity was quality of reading just one verse and pray on it in loves sake. But that's another thesis . Hope something edifying to the love inside that is of God sees/hears "we" are in our own ways .

 

[jugghead]

I am also reading the "thoughts" thread, am only on page 4 but what an eye-opener ...... with that being said I would like to thank our Father for making the salt in this earth, for you have not lost the flavor/newness/gift that has been imparted to you, for we know the finished work of Christ "is finished"

and even that simple phrase/cup shows the limitless well that runneth over with the fullness of Love, for we know that He "is" and that He "finished" it, and seeing the Father (is) right in the middle of the work (it) of Christ (finished) "it is finished".

I hope sometime I can give back a gift of the same (if I haven't already) to those I have received from. Foliage to plant in their garden (Fullness Of Love Is Always Growing Eternal)

Jug

 

[FanthatSpark]

Blessings in the oneness Jugg , You too 2knowhim and the family!!

The vessel of x141 in the goodness that is God paints a different picture in terminology and this one finds much edifying content in that thread and YES it is done from Adam to the Christ Amen . I have adopted much of that terminology in that thread. For me, I see people even myself , use knowledge as a bludgeoning tool to combat love in that thread . Where the knowledge becomes belief to sin. No love in knowledge. As stated many times in various threads I have to read, reread and read again in terminology vexing to the mind of knowledge yet once love is at the forefront to lose a hardened mind/heart, sense of the terminology through knowledge of the Spirit manifests in those that hear. In todays knowledge for knowledges sake an inherent misunderstanding is seen in that thread by a seeker of knowledge and in misunderstanding a lashing out is the result. You will see this for yourself as you make progress in that thread . It is no ones fault , it is the measure God releases to all. Some come in fear, knowledge, training in the word and this is good . However, God is living and some key life experiences must be lived by the believer to soften the mind/heart. But yeah brother , you got you a good read there . A lot of edifying content in there . I find , I must pray first before entering Thoughts thread so I can lose taught knowledge and open Spiritual knowledge , read , pray some more to test the content . When we open our minds to view in anothers sight if it makes no sense to me is it bad? God forbid , no. I am just not ready for that in the measure . That's what hope is, amen. Nice FOLIAGE acronym BTW . As always , hope something brings edification/life from the river to you the reader out there .

 

[FanthatSpark]

Spirit is willing yet the flesh is weak. Forgiveness of self (as in 2knowhim post 183 ) in the end game of the process . As seen in this thread as one reasons with you the reader for correctness of thought so one can remove the mind out of the way... The mind where all begins and ends (and or flesh where weakness begins and ends is the mind). The concept of forgiving Lucifer/The Enemy where I was blind that concept was actually a reasoning with God in our individual process and it throws most religions of hate out the door. In process where outside pictures (borrowed terminology, or is it, in the vastness of Spirit/God in oneness ) manifest to our individual minds/flesh that are victims and victimizers of deeds/sin and can be stuck there if we allow it (this perception of reality for another pic ).

Modernizing the Word ? Prayed on that statement in truth applied to me. Yes ! Guilty as charged for it is not the Word that is God but the pathway of truths, many, of selves . Truth is ,of, God not God complete
for where is it written of Now? Now , where we pray and have a living relationship ? The book of consciousness tells of How but not of Now in our
processes which is....modernizing the Word to come back too God/Spirit/Love. William Shatner at the intro to Star Trek...

State of being: the final frontier... These are the voyages of the individual, Enterprise. Its life long mission to explore strange new truths, seek out eternal life in new testament, to boldly go where no man has gone before

Jesus/Agape/Spirit/God <--- pick one and place it after before or one of your own.

 

[jugghead]

if by going into darkness is the only way to comprehend light, then so be it.

 

[FanthatSpark]

Now lookie there . That is profoundness jugg .

 

[FanthatSpark]

Consciousness, Thought, State of being in self, Modernizing imagination ,

Inspired through the Thoughts thread lets look at imagination.
As one cuts us off in 5:00 PM traffic imagination can lead to their destruction and one finds contentment in that imagination as we take those thoughts as ultimately good in , He/she deserves it for cutting us off . This type of imagining can become habit forming to the consciousness where a wrong deserves a wrong . Some even further it to deed.

Is it not the ultimate challenge to change perception through selves that wrong is the given ? If another makes us imagine hate then do we participate in iniquity in our own heads ? That is the challenge to capture thought before it manifests into a whole scenario in the mind and ultimately a deed can result like laying on the horn to blast the culprit of that which is the given , selfishness.

How does one pound into the psych to think in love ... The ultimate challenge of "good" consciousness. No entertaining imagination in hate them because they .... <-- Finish that in a scenario that fits you the reader out there.

Ultimately that is trust in the world , right?

 

[jugghead]

Consciousness, Thought, State of being in self, Modernizing imagination ,

Inspired through the Thoughts thread lets look at imagination.
As one cuts us off in 5:00 PM traffic imagination can lead to their destruction and one finds contentment in that imagination as we take those thoughts as ultimately good in , He/she deserves it for cutting us off . This type of imagining can become habit forming to the consciousness where a wrong deserves a wrong . Some even further it to deed.

Is it not the ultimate challenge to change perception through selves that wrong is the given ? If another makes us imagine hate then do we participate in iniquity in our own heads ? That is the challenge to capture thought before it manifests into a whole scenario in the mind and ultimately a deed can result like laying on the horn to blast the culprit of that which is the given , selfishness.

How does one pound into the psych to think in love ... The ultimate challenge of "good" consciousness. No entertaining imagination in hate them because they .... <-- Finish that in a scenario that fits you the reader out there.

Ultimately that is trust in the world , right?

If one has to labor to not hate them, does that not say one was in the state of hate to begin with?

The same truth being, if one has to labor to forgive them, does that not also say one was in the state of unforgiveness to begin with?

Is that not a state of being a double edged sword?

Simple terms: can we justify our anger for them cutting us off by saying they are selfish and blow our horn at them? Yes, the way of the world, what we fail to see in ourselves is that we got angry at them because of our own selfishness, we thought the road belonged to us.

I'm a truck driver, I see it every day

 

[FanthatSpark]

Selves, where labor begins and ends,

The mind set of the masses described beautifully above. Something for nothing, related in the I, me, my road . Nice profession btw jugg , easy access for meeting others as you travel.

 

[FanthatSpark]

Hhhmmm,

Noticing no judgment of darkness in this...Gen: 1:4.

 

[FanthatSpark]

We surf the void (A state of confusion to the light that only God overcame and separated).

Luke 9:55-56 But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of. (( Connect Gen: 1:3 to manner of Spirit we are of))

56For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them. And they went to another village.. ( Light being our son ((that is so inadequate "son" to connect a truth complete in terminology alone )) that which we were created under yet above (son) for the soul of man had not tasted darkness yet). Thus "son of man"= Light . So, in above post does one notice no judgment of darkness in Gen: 1:4 ? Lets further the concept with Matt 18:21-22. This is under forgiveness terminology however lets take it deeper that in forgiveness mode there is no judgment. No judgment is to reset the mind that darkness ...is. Thus, we all were separated from Eden to a universe of choice. Judge not and forgiveness meld together in the deepness of Light.

 

[x141]

We are of the day, we are children of the light ...

 

[FanthatSpark]

Every day is brand new .

 

[x141]

It is the new norm ...

 

[FanthatSpark]

New....Normal.... One hears ! In the moment where concept is rapid fire these two terms speak in process complete . Our physical expletives show these two as obscure to each other .

Ahhhh, what is a mystic but a great understander

 

[x141]

It is amazing what is in a word; it is us ...