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[Arcangl86]

Christians complaining about selling condoms? Pretty rare, that. Plenty about places that will not sell condoms, though.
The problem is that you can't know specifically. If you know someone is specifically sinning, and you're in a position to stop it, and you don't, you're sinning yourself. If you know someone is sinning, and you don't have the power, what can you do? What should you do? You can jump up and down all you want, it may not change anything.

How does that apply here? Wedding cake or nor wedding cake, the marriage (which I can make a good arguement isn't sinful in itself), is going to happen. So using this logic, you are not sinning since you do not have the power to stop the sin anyway.

 

[lasthero]

Christians complaining about selling condoms? Pretty rare, that. Plenty about places that will not sell condoms, though.

Not 'plenty'.

The problem is that you can't know specifically.

So, not knowing SPECIFICALLY who you're allowing to sin makes it okay? Even though you know it's SOMEONE.

If you know someone is sinning, and you don't have the power, what can you do?

You could not get into a profession that requires you to eventually allow someone to sin.

 

[lasthero]

How does that apply here? Wedding cake or nor wedding cake, the marriage (which I can make a good arguement isn't sinful in itself), is going to happen. So using this logic, you are not sinning since you do not have the power to stop the sin anyway.

EXACTLY.

 

[Root of Jesse]

Do you consider stealing to be evil?

Yes, but the passage you're talking about refers specifically to someone slapping your cheek, that you should turn the other one. Speaks to nothing of stealing. In fact, there's a commandment about that. There's none about slapping someone's cheek. By the way, you DO know that turning the other cheek is an act of defiance, in that day, time, and region?

 

[Root of Jesse]

Not 'plenty'.

meh

So, not knowing SPECIFICALLY who you're allowing to sin makes it okay? Even though you know it's SOMEONE.

Makes it ok for you, maybe not for them.

You could not get into a profession that requires you to eventually allow someone to sin.

I'm not in such a profession.

 

[Hetta]

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Plenty. The relationship between mother/daughter is a special bond that happen ONLY woman to woman, girl to girl. There are huge differences between boys and girls, men and woman. Only a mom can fully relate to a daughter in a way that no father can. Must I go into details on this?

You're just wrong. Some mothers and daughters do not get on, and are estranged as soon as the daughter leaves the home. Both my daughter-in-law and my "maybe" one day DIL have poor relationships with, in one case, a careless and neglectful mom, and on the other an obsessive, controlling mom. There is no special bond between these girls and their mom, and I know many adult women who also had awful relationships with their moms.

There aren't "huge" differences between males and females. We're all humans, aren't we? What do you think that single parents do? Do you think that a dad can't rear his daughters or a mom can't raise her sons? I have fantastic relationships with my sons as well as my daughters, and we all talk about "the details" btw. Men/dads can talk to their daughters about periods and sex, in fact it's a good thing if they can, because it can offset a lot of a girl's embarrassment if her dad is able to just be entirely normal about what is a simple, biological process. And that same dad can lead his sons to be equally normal about the process. It's not a big, forbidden subject. One of my daughter recently asked her moody brother if he had the painters in, which led to a big round of laughs. That's how normal families interact.

As for father/daughter relationships - those are uniquely special too. No mother can relate to a daughter the way a father can. There is a special bond with fathers and daughters that dads and daughters understand.

And yet I had a terrible relationship with my dad who was emotionally absent from my life until about ten years before he died. None of this is cut and dried. People are people, not perfect cookie cutter moms/dads/daughters/sons.

No two men can replace the love of a mother and no two women can replace the love of a father. I know, I know. There are single families and other family configurations. I get it. But in an ideal world, a loving father and a loving mother in a proper healthy relationship is better than any loving homosexual couple - by a long shot.

I disagree. Any parent who loves their child is that child's perfect parent. Whether they are an adopted child, or a stepchild or a biological child. Love is what matters.

 

[PapaZoom]

I'd appreciate it. I had a father and a mother, and for the life of me, I can't think of a single thing my Dad taught me that my mother COULDN'T, or vice versa.

I believe it has more to do with the kind of relationship one has with a mother vrs a father. They are very different and there's plenty of research to show that fact. This isn't to say that you can't learn "mom" things from a dad or "dad" things from a mom. But it's not the same and not to be preferred.

 

[PapaZoom]

???

From an earlier post (tongue in cheek) questioning if Judas owned a bakery. Trying to add some levity to an otherwise touchy topic.

 

[AirPo]

I believe it has more to do with the kind of relationship one has with a mother vrs a father. They are very different and there's plenty of research to show that fact. This isn't to say that you can't learn "mom" things from a dad or "dad" things from a mom. But it's not the same and not to be preferred.

Not to be preferred by who? Who gets to decide what the preferred relationship is between a parent and a child.

 

[bhsmte]

From an earlier post (tongue in cheek) questioning if Judas owned a bakery. Trying to add some levity to an otherwise touchy topic.

Ok, sorry I missed that.

 

[lasthero]

meh
Makes it ok for you, maybe not for them.

How?

I mean, stop me if i'm wrong, but you're argument seems to be 'It's okay for Christians to allow people to suffer in sin, as long as they don't know specifically who those people are'.

Am I wrong? If so, what am I missing?

 

[PapaZoom]

We don't live in an ideal world. And we certainly don't live in your version of an ideal world. We live in a reality world, and in a reality world, two men are just as capable of raising a daughter as a man and a woman.

Depends on how you define all your terms. I get it that it's not an ideal world. But two men are not capable of delivering the same level of "mom's love" to a daughter. They may have the dad thing covered, but they can't even touch what it means for a daughter to have a mom. Asserting otherwise can't change that fact.

 

[AirPo]

Depends on how you define all your terms. I get it that it's not an ideal world. But two men are not capable of delivering the same level of "mom's love" to a daughter. They may have the dad thing covered, but they can't even touch what it means for a daughter to have a mom. Asserting otherwise can't change that fact.

So what. The fact remains, they can do just a good a job of raising her.

 

[Hetta]

Depends on how you define all your terms. I get it that it's not an ideal world. But two men are not capable of delivering the same level of "mom's love" to a daughter. They may have the dad thing covered, but they can't even touch what it means for a daughter to have a mom. Asserting otherwise can't change that fact.

What do you think single dads do when their wives die? Or when their wives leave? There is at least one single dad that I know of who is posting on this forum, and I actually don't know if he has a daughter, but I think he probably does. Should he give up his daughter for adoption so she can have a mom?

 

[lasthero]

Depends on how you define all your terms. I get it that it's not an ideal world. But two men are not capable of delivering the same level of "mom's love" to a daughter. They may have the dad thing covered, but they can't even touch what it means for a daughter to have a mom.

What, EXACTLY, does it mean for a daughter to have a Mom, and why can two Dad's NEVER convey this same message? No vague outpourings, no fuzzy sentiments. What can a Mom do that a Dad CAN'T do?

 

[Hetta]

And not all moms give that great of love, you know. Please, for goodness sake. Women/moms are not perfect. I have one close friend whose mom was a narcissist. She had a terrible childhood. I have known other women who have told me similar horror stories. People can raise people, regardless of gender.

 

[Hetta]

What, EXACTLY, does it mean for a daughter to have a Mom, and why can two Dad's NEVER convey this same message? No vague outpourings, no fuzzy sentiments. What can a Mom do that a Dad CAN'T do?

Apparently only moms know about - shhhh, whisper - periods. The word that can't be said.

 

[bhsmte]

And not all moms give that great of love, you know. Please, for goodness sake. Women/moms are not perfect. I have one close friend whose mom was a narcissist. She had a terrible childhood. I have known other women who have told me similar horror stories. People can raise people, regardless of gender.

Some moms can be horrible moms and some dads can be horrible dads. These types cause much more damage to a child than they do good and damage that may stay with them a lifetime.

 

[DaisyDay]

Even dysfunctional parents. They teach children how not to be when they mature.

If they live that long - Andrea Yates, anyone?

 

[Hetta]

Dysfunctional parents can turn their children dysfunctional. A child who survives that and becomes normal is a rare one.