Bobby Jindal proposes doing away with Supreme Court

[PapaZoom]

I asked you what kind of Christian would spit in a cake they were selling to someone?

That would be disgustingly un-Christ-like. If I were a baker and decided to bake a cake for a SSWedding, I'd make the best cake I could. I'd not give anyone a reason to criticize the name of Christ. It's a difficult place for many Christians bakers to find themselves in. What to do? Violate conscience or risk losing one's business. I don't know what I'd do in that situation but one thing I'd never do is to deliberately sabotage "the cake" in some revengeful, hateful act that goes against what Jesus taught about loving others.

 

[bhsmte]

That would be disgustingly un-Christ-like. If I were a baker and decided to bake a cake for a SSWedding, I'd make the best cake I could. I'd not give anyone a reason to criticize the name of Christ. It's a difficult place for many Christians bakers to find themselves in. What to do? Violate conscience or risk losing one's business. I don't know what I'd do in that situation but one thing I'd never do is to deliberately sabotage "the cake" in some revengeful, hateful act that goes against what Jesus taught about loving others.

Good for you!

 

[Root of Jesse]

How do they determine the medical reason behind why birth control is prescribed?

I don't know. If you're so interested, find out. But it's true. In my case, my doctor knows my religious conviction, and will not prescribe something that would go against it. That's why it's good for Catholics to seek out Catholic doctors and discuss their medical conditions based on knowledge of faith. I'd suggest others of other faiths do the same thing, if possible.

 

[Root of Jesse]

Why would they only be the children of the woman? Aren't they the father's children.

Can you point out where I said "only"?

I have a relationship with my children also, but they aren't children any longer because they have passed the age at which they were technically known to be children, and they wouldn't appreciate being called that. They prefer to be known as adults, as men and women, not boys and girls.

Our children still seek advice as children asking a parent. They don't always listen, nor are they required to. But they will always be our children.

 

[bhsmte]

I don't know. If you're so interested, find out. But it's true. In my case, my doctor knows my religious conviction, and will not prescribe something that would go against it. That's why it's good for Catholics to seek out Catholic doctors and discuss their medical conditions based on knowledge of faith. I'd suggest others of other faiths do the same thing, if possible.

If I am not mistaken, I believe it would be a HIPPA violation for the pharmacist to inquire as to the medical reason for the valid prescription from the doctor, without direct consent from the patient.

 

[lasthero]

Not mainstream news. But you can find it, if you want to look.

Look where?

But you have to know. If you don't know, you're not supporting it. For example, if I give a homeless guy $5 to go to McD's to buy food, and he uses it to buy drugs or alcohol, did I support his sin? No, I didn't.

But if you go around giving five dollar bills to every homeless man you see, you have to know that, eventually, at least one of them is going to use them to buy drugs. You'd have to be ridiculously ignorant not to know that. By the same token, if you go around baking cakes for weddings, you have to know eventually one of them will be for a second wedding. You might not know the SPECIFIC wedding, but you have to know that's going to happen. So how is that any better?

Actually, no, they don't. Just like in religious practice, the US cannot stop Native American tribes from using drugs which are illegal to anyone else, when it comes to their religious rituals.

But who gets to decide what is and isn't a 'religious ritual'? Is there some preset list of religious rituals to choose from?

 

[Root of Jesse]

If I am not mistaken, I believe it would be a HIPPA violation for the pharmacist to inquire as to the medical reason for the valid prescription from the doctor, without direct consent from the patient.

But the doctor prescribing, knowing the patient's faith, would not prescribe BC pills for BC purposes against the patient's wishes. It's the doctor doing the prescribing, the pharmacist doesn't need to know. But a Catholic pharmacist filling such a prescription could ask the patient for consent to speak to the doctor. The patient would know what condition is being treated, too.

 

[PapaZoom]

What, EXACTLY, can a mother and father teach a daughter that two men absolutely can't teach her?

Plenty. The relationship between mother/daughter is a special bond that happen ONLY woman to woman, girl to girl. There are huge differences between boys and girls, men and woman. Only a mom can fully relate to a daughter in a way that no father can. Must I go into details on this?

As for father/daughter relationships - those are uniquely special too. No mother can relate to a daughter the way a father can. There is a special bond with fathers and daughters that dads and daughters understand.

No two men can replace the love of a mother and no two women can replace the love of a father. I know, I know. There are single families and other family configurations. I get it. But in an ideal world, a loving father and a loving mother in a proper healthy relationship is better than any loving homosexual couple - by a long shot.

 

[lasthero]

Plenty. The relationship between mother/daughter is a special bond that happen ONLY woman to woman, girl to girl. There are huge differences between boys and girls, men and woman. Only a mom can fully relate to a daughter in a way that no father can. Must I go into details on this?

I'd appreciate it. I had a father and a mother, and for the life of me, I can't think of a single thing my Dad taught me that my mother COULDN'T, or vice versa.

 

[bhsmte]

But the doctor prescribing, knowing the patient's faith, would not prescribe BC pills for BC purposes against the patient's wishes. It's the doctor doing the prescribing, the pharmacist doesn't need to know. But a Catholic pharmacist filling such a prescription could ask the patient for consent to speak to the doctor. The patient would know what condition is being treated, too.

You just negated your entire argument of a pharmacist being allowed to not dispense birth control.

If the doctor would never prescribe something against the patient's faith, the pharmacist has no reason to ask the medical reason behind prescribing birth control and should dispense the valid prescription, with no questions asked.

 

[PapaZoom]

Lol!

https://foursquare.com/v/judas-bake-shop/4e7a628618386a155b7c3c04

 

[Root of Jesse]

Look where?

Start with Google.

But if you go around giving five dollar bills to every homeless man you see, you have to know that, eventually, at least one of them is going to use them to buy drugs. You'd have to be ridiculously ignorant not to know that. By the same token, if you go around baking cakes for weddings, you have to know eventually one of them will be for a second wedding. You might not know the SPECIFIC wedding, but you have to know that's going to happen. So how is that any better?

The point of giving something to someone in charity, or doing something for someone in business, is not what the receiver is going to do with it. If I gave food to a homeless guy, is it my responsibility if he actually sticks it in his mouth? He could trade it for drugs, too.
In the Catholic faith, for it to be a sin, you have to know that a sin is being committed. Willful ignorance is not true ignorance, either.
Just to show the distinctions, you know the thing about designating a driver if you're going to go drinking? Here's two scenarios, which is the sin?
A. After work, two buddies go out for a few. The driver gives his friend his keys, saying "I'm planning on tying one on here, get me home."
B. After work, two buddies go out for a few. The driver realizes he's had one or two too many, and gives his keys to his friend, saying "I'm too drunk, get me home."

But who gets to decide what is and isn't a 'religious ritual'? Is there some preset list of religious rituals to choose from?

The powers that be. Not saying that's the way it should be, but that's the way it is.

 

[bhsmte]

https://foursquare.com/v/judas-bake-shop/4e7a628618386a155b7c3c04

???

 

[AirPo]

Plenty. The relationship between mother/daughter is a special bond that happen ONLY woman to woman, girl to girl. There are huge differences between boys and girls, men and woman. Only a mom can fully relate to a daughter in a way that no father can. Must I go into details on this?

As for father/daughter relationships - those are uniquely special too. No mother can relate to a daughter the way a father can. There is a special bond with fathers and daughters that dads and daughters understand.

No two men can replace the love of a mother and no two women can replace the love of a father. I know, I know. There are single families and other family configurations. I get it. But in an ideal world, a loving father and a loving mother in a proper healthy relationship is better than any loving homosexual couple - by a long shot.

We don't live in an ideal world. And we certainly don't live in your version of an ideal world. We live in a reality world, and in a reality world, two men are just as capable of raising a daughter as a man and a woman.

 

[Root of Jesse]

You just negated your entire argument of a pharmacist being allowed to not dispense birth control.

If the doctor would never prescribe something against the patient's faith, the pharmacist has no reason to ask the medical reason behind prescribing birth control and should dispense the valid prescription, with no questions asked.

The pharmacist could have a moral objection, and legitimately ask the patient to either disclose the condition being treated or ask permission to speak to the doctor. The patient could refuse, and take the prescription elsewhere, I guess.

 

[lasthero]

Start with Google.

I did. Didn't find anything.

In the Catholic faith, for it to be a sin, you have to know that a sin is being committed. Willful ignorance is not true ignorance, either.

Exactly. And a Christian baker can't not know that he'll eventually bake a cake for a second wedding. Again - that's a certainty. The only difference is that, in the case of the second wedding, he doesn't know who specifically is sinning. With the gays, he does. But how does not knowing who you're leading to sin make it any better?

 

[bhsmte]

The pharmacist could have a moral objection, and legitimately ask the patient to either disclose the condition being treated or ask permission to speak to the doctor. The patient could refuse, and take the prescription elsewhere, I guess.

And depending on the state the pharmacist resides in, he would be breaking the law and or be going against the state guidelines that license pharmacists and they would have that to deal with.

 

[Root of Jesse]

I did. Didn't find anything.

Christians complaining about selling condoms? Pretty rare, that. Plenty about places that will not sell condoms, though.

Exactly. And a Christian baker can't not know that he'll eventually bake a cake for a second wedding. Again - that's a certainty. The only difference is that, in the case of the second wedding, he doesn't know who specifically is sinning. With the gays, he does. But how does not knowing who you're leading to sin make it any better?

The problem is that you can't know specifically. If you know someone is specifically sinning, and you're in a position to stop it, and you don't, you're sinning yourself. If you know someone is sinning, and you don't have the power, what can you do? What should you do? You can jump up and down all you want, it may not change anything.

 

[TLK Valentine]

How does this relate to someone stealing from you?

Do you consider stealing to be evil?

 

[Root of Jesse]

And depending on the state the pharmacist resides in, he would be breaking the law and or be going against the state guidelines that license pharmacists and they would have that to deal with.

You know something? I'm not managing to exceptions. It's up to the INDIVIDUAL to practice his/her faith. If he/she is ok with using birth control, they can go to any number of places, including Walmart Pharmacy, and buy whatever they want to jam into their bodies. Nobody is going to stop them from doing whatever the heck they please. But if someone is morally opposed to birth control, they can discuss it with their own doctor, and make sure the doctor will not prescribe it for BC purposes.
In the case of the pharmacist, it's up to him to know the rules, and to know how to maintain his practice. If he's required to do something he's morally opposed to, he can call another pharmacist to fill the prescription, or stop practicing. Whatever he feels called to do.
Christianity is not about necessarily doing the popular thing. It's about doing what's right, in your conscience. You will answer for that soon enough.