Is religion the offspring of evolution

[lasthero]

I do have the facts?

Facts are demonstrable. You have yet to demonstrate anything supporting your claim that apes are less intelligent than the animals you listed.

 

[Smidlee]

I must have missed the part where I said that Scopes was jailed or suffered any of the things you described?

He was accused of violating the law by teaching evolution. That was the point of the entire trial. My entire point is that creationists are trying to stop the teaching of science in science class, and the Scopes Monkey Trial is a perfect example. I find it hard to believe that ED has never heard of creationists trying to have evolution removed from science classes.

You wrote

I was referring to the very real one where a public school teacher was arrested for teaching evolution.

 

[Loudmouth]

You wrote

Yes. You have to be arrested on charges before you can be on trial. That's how those things work.

Notice how you have to try and distract the entire conversation away from creationists banning the teaching of science.

 

[bhsmte]

According to the developmental psychologists I spoke of, we are hard wired to look for purpose, and that predisposes us to look for something or somebody who gives things their purpose.

The suggestion has been made that if children were cast away on a desert island shortly after birth, and they somehow managed to survive, by the time they were ten they would have worked out their own religion.

I pretty much agree in regards to how we are likely hard wired through the evolutionary process.

Acquiring knowledge of the world we live in, that was not available before can have an impact on each person's ability to relent to this "hard wired" hypothesis.

All sorts of internal psychological exercises can bring us comfort in life and could be why many who go to prison and become a bit more desperate, become very religious, because it gives them hope.

 

[Smidlee]

Yes. You have to be arrested on charges before you can be on trial. That's how those things work.

Notice how you have to try and distract the entire conversation away from creationists banning the teaching of science.

LOL. It was more like a friendly debate than a real trial. As noted Scopes was not arrested.

Hollywood version :

Bryan strenuously opposed the teaching of evolution in the public schools.

vs Reality

Bryan did not oppose the teaching of evolution in public schools. For a number of reasons noted below he did oppose teaching the evolution of mankind (one species) as scientific fact and especially in the manner in which evolutionary theory was practically being applied in his day.

As Bryan wrote in the New York Times:


The only part of evolution in which any considerable interest is felt is evolution applied to man. A hypothesis in regard to the rocks and plant life does not affect the philosophy upon which one's life is built. Evolution applied to fish, birds, and beasts would not materially affect man's view of his own responsibilities. . . . The evolution that is harmful . . . is the evolution that makes [man himself] a descendant of lower forms of life. (Feb. 26, 1922)

 

[Loudmouth]

LOL. It was more like a friendly debate than a real trial. As noted Scopes was not arrested.

Hollywood version :


vs Reality

Reality: creationists created laws that banned the teaching of evolution in science class.

That is what you are trying to distract people from.

 

[lesliedellow]

I pretty much agree in regards to how we are likely hard wired through the evolutionary process.

Acquiring knowledge of the world we live in, that was not available before can have an impact on each person's ability to relent to this "hard wired" hypothesis.

We are not hard wired to try and figure out how things work. We are hard wired to look for purpose in things. Achieving the former does not militate against the latter.

 

[bhsmte]

You wrote

Being arrested and being in jail, are two different things.

 

[Smidlee]

Reality: creationists created laws that banned the teaching of evolution in science class.

That is what you are trying to distract people from.

You don't seem to care about the truth.

Being arrested and being in jail, are two different things.

You also realize you can have a trial without being arrested.

 

[Loudmouth]

You don't seem to care about the truth.

The truth is that creationists have been trying to remove evolution from the public school science classroom for over a century.

 

[Loudmouth]

You don't seem to care about the truth.

You also realize you can have a trial without being arrested.

What was Scopes put on trial for?

 

[bhsmte]

We are not hard wired to try and figure out how things work. We are hard wired to look for purpose in things. Achieving the former does not militate against the latter.

Depends on the person.

Some people are more hard wired to figure out the; what, where, when and how and these would be those that have dominant "analyzer" type personality traits. Those traits are driven both by genetics and life experiences. These types of people typically roll over every rock and are less likely to believe in something without thorough review and evidence to support the belief. You find a lot of these people in the areas of science and medicine.

 

[Smidlee]

The truth is that creationists have been trying to remove evolution from the public school science classroom for over a century.

No one was trying to remove evolution even in the 20's.

What was Scopes put on trial for?

It was a friendly debate which that small town welcome as it draw attention toward that small town. Even Scope spoke about of how friendly everyone was.

 

[Loudmouth]

No one was trying to remove evolution even in the 20's.

What was Scopes put on trial for? What law did he break?

 

[Loudmouth]

"The Butler Act was a 1925 Tennessee law prohibiting public school teachers from denying the Biblical account of man's origin. It was enacted as Tennessee Code Annotated Title 49 (Education) Section 1922, having been signed into law by Tennessee governor Austin Peay. The law also prevented the teaching of the evolution of man from what it referred to as lower orders of animals in place of the Biblical account."
Butler Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[bhsmte]

You don't seem to care about the truth.

You also realize you can have a trial without being arrested.

A trial means a prosecution is taking place. How does one go forward with the prosecution of a defendant, without the defendant being charged and arrested for a crime?

 

[lesliedellow]

Depends on the person.

Some people are more hard wired to figure out the; what, where, when and how and these would be those that have dominant "analyzer" type personality traits. Those traits are driven both by genetics and life experiences. These types of people typically roll over every rock and are less likely to believe in something without thorough review and evidence to support the belief. You find a lot of these people in the areas of science and medicine.

We are hard wired to try and survive; at least long enough to reproduce. Why our intellect is so far in advance of what is needed for survival is a bit of a mystery from an evolutionary point of view, but clearly, the ability to reason does imply an advantage.

 

[Smidlee]

A trial means a prosecution is taking place. How does one go forward with the prosecution of a defendant, without the defendant being charged and arrested for a crime?

if a cop gives me a speeding ticket is that considered an arrest? I can still go to court and even get a lawyer.

 

[bhsmte]

if a cop gives me a speeding ticket is that considered an arrest? I can still go to court and even get a lawyer.

Please explain to me, how a trial is held to prosecute an individual, when that individual has not been charged with a crime and arrested?

 

[Smidlee]

Please explain to me, how a trial is held to prosecute an individual, when that individual has not been charged with a crime and arrested?

"Far from being arrested by hostile henchmen, Scopes was arrested by his friend, Sue Hicks, the City Attorney of Dayton (and the original “boy named Sue” of Johnny Cash fame). In his autobiography, Center of the Storm (1960), John Scopes always put quotation marks around the word “arrest” to highlight its voluntary character."

My company owner was "arrested" before years ago as an voluntary act for charity.