Moving the Garden East of Eden..Literally: Was Eden Originally in Asia?

[Gxg (G²)]

I consider it legal to live on a diet of cheesecake and Coke. But not helpful. Or wise. Certainly not for me, at least.

 

[granpa]

Now a river flowed out of Eden to water the garden; and from there it divided and became four rivers. The name of the first is Pishon; it flows around the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold. The gold of that land is good; the bdellium and the onyx stone are there. The name of the second river is Gihon; it flows around the whole land of Cush. The name of the third river is Tigris; it flows east of Assyria. And the fourth river is the Euphrates

Now as men migrated out of Eden (African rainforest) they split into 4 groups. The first migration route followed the Pishon around Havilah where there is gold. The gold of that land is good; the bdellium and the onyx stone are there. The second migration route followed the Gihon around the whole land of Cush. The third migration route followed the Tigris east of Assyria. The fourth migration route followed the Euphrates.

 

[Gxg (G²)]

Now as men migrated out of Eden (African rainforest) they split into 4 groups. The first migration route followed the Pishon around Havilah where there is gold. The gold of that land is good; the bdellium and the onyx stone are there. The second migration route followed the Gihon around the whole land of Cush. The third migration route followed the Tigris east of Assyria. The fourth migration route followed the Euphrates.

Where did you make your basis for this?

 

[Gxg (G²)]

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[Gxg (G²)]

God is faithful and Eden will be found soon....

 

[yeshuasavedme]

God is faithful and Eden will be found soon....

It was never lost.
It is right there in the third heaven [which heavens were stretched out from the earth on day 2 of creation week]. It was always there, and it is there, still.

Paradise is in the third heaven, in Eden above, as the Word of God states.

 

[greentwiga]

Eden is easy to find. First, we know it has something to do with the Tigris and Euphrates. The two other rivers can be independent rivers or tributaries. Then we know that figs and wheat grew there. They had to be so abundant that it was considered a garden (not flowers, but food) Look at the zone where wild figs and wild wheat grow between the Tigris and Euphrates. It is a fairly small zone. As you get close to the Turkey/Iraq border, the wheat grows less and less due to less rain. As you go north towards the Taurus/Anti-Taurus mountains, it grows less and less due to increasing cold. Then one looks for a mountain where it drains into four rivers. There is only one, the Mountain Karacadag. It is also a Volcano, possibly the flaming sword that the Angel held. Adam was the first farmer, and Scientists found that the first farmer lived at Karacadag. The river to the north heads to the placer gold region below the Taurus mountains.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Eden is easy to find. First, we know it has something to do with the Tigris and Euphrates. The two other rivers can be independent rivers or tributaries. Then we know that figs and wheat grew there. They had to be so abundant that it was considered a garden (not flowers, but food) Look at the zone where wild figs and wild wheat grow between the Tigris and Euphrates. It is a fairly small zone. As you get close to the Turkey/Iraq border, the wheat grows less and less due to less rain. As you go north towards the Taurus/Anti-Taurus mountains, it grows less and less due to increasing cold. Then one looks for a mountain where it drains into four rivers. There is only one, the Mountain Karacadag. It is also a Volcano, possibly the flaming sword that the Angel held. Adam was the first farmer, and Scientists found that the first farmer lived at Karacadag. The river to the north heads to the placer gold region below the Taurus mountains.

Rev 2:7
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.


2 Cor 12:2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth; such an one caught up to the third heaven.
3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;
4How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

The Word says Eden is in the third heaven.
Paradise is in Eden in the third heaven.
Adam was cast down and driven out of Mount Eden, God's Holy Mount in heaven, where He planted the Garden/Paradise and took
[Hebrew word is laqach: to take, to go get, to marry, etc] -

Adam from earth below and set him there, to guard Paradise and to labor for God, in His rest [that is what the Genesis says: Adam was set there to labor and to guard/Hebrew word is shamar].

Adam was driven out of Paradise at the fall, but the river still goes out of Eden, as other atmospheric rivers also do, around the earth, and heaven and earth are not united since then, as they were and as they will be, in the regeneration of all things. [Adam was driven out/ Hebrew word is garash/to divorce]....


The river that came out of Eden and watered the Garden and became four heads of four rivers on earth below is an atmospheric river.
Atmospheric rivers can carry more water than the Amazon.

Since the fall, they do not come so friendly like, on our side of the world.

'Atmospheric river' of rain pointed at Northern California - LA Observed
...To put the magnitude of these events in context: atmospheric rivers are (in aggregate) responsible for over 90% of global atmospheric water transport between subtropical and mid-latitude regions, and a single strong event is capable of moving an amount of water equivalent to 15 times the flow rate of the Mississippi River!
Those familiar with California weather and climate can attest to the critical role played by atmospheric rivers in driving wintertime precipitation extremes. I’ve noted in the past that California is dependent on just a handful of significant storm events for the majority of its annual precipitation, and this handful is usually associated with atmospheric rivers. California’s great floods in the historical past were almost all associated with atmospheric rivers, including the spectacular event of 1861-1862–which filled much of the Central Valley with floodwaters and inundated the fledgling state capital in Sacramento. Interestingly, scientists recently highlighted the important role atmospheric rivers have played in breaking many of California’s historical droughts.

One is dumping water on California right now. Sometimes it dumps lots and lots of water on us, in the Pacific Northwest.

 

[greentwiga]

The earthly eden is a picture of the heavenly paradise. I am only talking about the earthly, so I won't debate you on your idea of the paradise in the third heaven

 

[GQCHRIS]

Eden is easy to find. First, we know it has something to do with the Tigris and Euphrates. The two other rivers can be independent rivers or tributaries. Then we know that figs and wheat grew there. They had to be so abundant that it was considered a garden (not flowers, but food) Look at the zone where wild figs and wild wheat grow between the Tigris and Euphrates. It is a fairly small zone. As you get close to the Turkey/Iraq border, the wheat grows less and less due to less rain. As you go north towards the Taurus/Anti-Taurus mountains, it grows less and less due to increasing cold. Then one looks for a mountain where it drains into four rivers. There is only one, the Mountain Karacadag. It is also a Volcano, possibly the flaming sword that the Angel held. Adam was the first farmer, and Scientists found that the first farmer lived at Karacadag. The river to the north heads to the placer gold region below the Taurus mountains.

Hmmm, interesting.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

The earthly eden is a picture of the heavenly paradise. I am only talking about the earthly, so I won't debate you on your idea of the paradise in the third heaven

The Word of God says Adam was taken to God's Paradise in Eden.
That is in the third heaven, above, and the heavens were stretched out from the divided in two waters of the globe on day 2 of creation week.


Adam was cast down from the third heaven to earth below, which is where Paradise is. That is exactly what the Word says.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

The river that came out of Eden comes out still. It is an atmospheric river.



http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/psd/atmrivers/

ESRL : PSD : Atmospheric River Information Page

Photo by Robert Leroux​

Atmospheric Rivers (AR) are relatively narrow regions in the atmosphere that are responsible for most of the horizontal transport of water vapor outside of the tropics. While ARs come in many shapes and sizes, those that contain the largest amounts of water vapor, the strongest winds, and stall over watersheds vulnerable to flooding, can create extreme rainfall and floods. These events can disrupt travel, induce mud slides, and cause catastrophic damage to life and property. However, not all ARs cause damage – most are weak, and simply provide beneficial rain or snow that is crucial to water supply. Learn more...
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[greentwiga]

Hmmm, interesting.

White flint and tar/oil are found in the near the rivers. The southern river Al Khabur is mentioned in Ezekiel with its own name, though it is a tributary of the Euphrates. Thus the other two rivers could be tributaries and one could have the name of Khabur.

One interesting point is that figs, like dates, come in male and female trees. The ancient people planted one male tree in the center of an orchard. when the figs were flowering, the fig wasps erupted out of the male figs and searched for a fig to lay their eggs. when they enter the female figs, they try to lay their eggs in the flowers but fail and fertilize the flowers. Entering male figs, they lay their eggs. Thus the male figs are full of wasp larvae and shouldn't be eaten because they contain the live giving principal for the next generation of figs. It could be said that the male tree gave life to the grove, because without it, no figs ripened. This seems to be the illustration for the tree of life idea. Sumerians and others used this idea to venerate the "tree of life" but they didn't mean what the Bible means by the term

 

[southcountry]

The river that came out of Eden comes out still. It is an atmospheric river.



http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/psd/atmrivers/

Your on the right track. But take it one step farther. The river flows from Eden and parts into four other rivers. It is at this parting of the ways that time begins. The four rivers create the expanse in which "mountains" are formed ( stars and planets.....also referred to as earth). This expanse is the "sea" referenced throughout the bible. In it all elements exist. The four rivers are the four spirits of God and they keep the electrons orbiting the atoms so to speak.

 

[NannaNae]

I think he, or the someone who put some of that stuff together has some interesting ideas. could be sneaking up on some interesting things there.
but I think he is missing lots of stuff.
but it is a great start..

 

[Gxg (G²)]

I think he, or the someone who put some of that stuff together has some interesting ideas. could be sneaking up on some interesting things there.
but I think he is missing lots of stuff.
but it is a great start..

Who are we referencing, by the way?

 

[Aman777]

Dear Readers, You won't find Eden on the present Earth because it was "clean dissolved" in the Flood. Isaiah 24:19 We live today on the second Earth, which is totally different from Adam's Earth in many ways. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Dear Readers, You won't find Eden on the present Earth because it was "clean dissolved" in the Flood. Isaiah 24:19 We live today on the second Earth, which is totally different from Adam's Earth in many ways. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

That is not what the Word of God states.

 

[Aman777]

That is not what the Word of God states.

Dear yeshuasavedme, Sure it is. Genesis 1:6-8 states that the FIRST Heaven was made on the 2nd Day.

Genesis 2:4 states that other HeavenS (Plural) were made on the 3rd Day.

One plus 2 equals 3 Heavens made by the 3rd Day.

The first Heaven was "clean dissolved" in the Flood. Isaiah 24:19
Our present Heaven will be burned. ll Peter 3:10
The Third Heaven of ll Corinthians 12:2 is the New Heaven and New Earth of Revelation 21:1, and it will be forever.

God Bless you,

In Love,
Aman

 

[greentwiga]

That is not what the Word of God states.

I agree. The concept that Eden was lost in the flood is an interpretation of an interpretation. If Eden was wiped away, why does Mt Karacadag fit Eden in every particular. It is even in the center of the region called Adin by the Babylonians and others. Adin is linguistically identical to Eden, since the vowel points were added in 900 AD.