Will Celebacy Be Reconsidered?

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The report is that the new Vatican Secretary of State said that priestly celibacy is neither dogma nor divinely instituted and therefore open to dialogue. This is a sometimes emotional and controversial subject. As the discussion ensues in this thread, please be respectful on both sides of the issue.
 
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yw... The priest at my church said he's a priest (and celibate) because he wants to be--he wasn't forced. A lot of people think priests are forced into this lifestyle and are miserable (my atheist family members for one). They never realize the beauty and peace that can be found in celibacy.
 
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yw... The priest at my church said he's a priest (and celibate) because he wants to be--he wasn't forced. A lot of people think priests are forced into this lifestyle and are miserable (my atheist family members for one). They never realize the beauty and peace that can be found in celibacy.
Yeah I've heard priests say the same thing. Along with saying the thought marriage was a tougher vocation. ^_^
 
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The report is that the new Vatican Secretary of State said that priestly celebacy is neither dogma nor divinely instituted and therefore open to dialogue.
Will Celibacy be reconsidered ?

Clearly yes . Archbishop Pietro Parolin , to be the Pope's new Secretary of State , said that the principle of clerical celibacy is ecclesiastical tradition rather than Church dogma , and is therefore open to discussion .

This would indicate that it is being reconsidered .



 
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Don't forget please

Even in the East celibacy is highly regarded and many priests are celibate . Yes we do have married clergy and they are equally highly regarded. Some of our celibate priests are Eparchial/Exarchatial and others are monastic.

Our Bishops are celibate - and often are monastics.
 
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It won't change, no. This is just another interview where the newspapers think they're more important than they really are. If the Church was considering changing priestly celibacy in the Western Church (which there is no chance of happening), there would be actual press-releases - particularly because there are a ton of documents that would have to be rewritten, and a complete restructuring of the seminary-system.

Paul VI's words still apply today: ''There are better things to do then to promote this hypothesis, which tears down the vigor and love in which celibacy finds security and happiness" (Sacerdotalis Caelibatus, 43). There is not a single priest who has given up a family for the sake of a mere external rule.

Didn't persons in favor of Church-restructurization learn in ''Light of the World'' that the Church doesn't change based on a quick reading of three lines out of an interview?
 
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Many former evangelical ministers who have converted from Protestantism to Catholicism would have a chance to participate iun the church as Priests. The Anglicanosrum Coetibus from His Holiness Benedict XVI didn't restict the priesthood of anglican catholics to only celibates. And Eastern catholics do not have celibate priests as the rule, the Latin Church which I belong to and which I love is the only one that uses that rule as a way of commitment of total consecration to the service of God and his people, of a man who follow the way of Christ and his disciples.

I am kind of divided in this issue, I really think that celibacy is a gift from God, a trial and testimony of faith, but I also see that many ex evangelical ministers don't find ways to sustain their families when they follow the truth which is in the Catholic Church. I will obey what the Pope decides on this respect.
 
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Many former evangelical ministers who have converted from Protestantism to Catholicism would have a chance to participate iun the church as Priests. The Anglicanosrum Coetibus from His Holiness Benedict XVI didn't restict the priesthood of anglican catholics to only celibates. And Eastern catholics do not have celibate priests as the rule, the Latin Church which I belong to and which I love is the only one that uses that rule as a way of commitment of total consecration to the service of God and his people, of a man who follow the way of Christ and his disciples.

I am kind of divided in this issue, I really think that celibacy is a gift from God, a trial and testimony of faith, but I also see that many ex evangelical ministers don't find ways to sustain their families when they follow the truth which is in the Catholic Church. I will obey what the Pope decides on this respect.

This is a very difficult issue. It does seem quite inconsistent to allow converts to be married priests and it only demonstrates that the theology falls short. The word "change" does not have to be anathema. Yet allowing married priests would cause serious logistical and financial issues. It is a kind of catch-22 for the Church. One thing I do know, however, is that celebate men do not always make the best advisors in the issues of marriage and family.
 
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Allowing married men in the case of an extremely small number of converts does not show that the theology falls short; and for that you only need to go to Paul VI when he wrote that the allowance of a few exceptions '' does not signify a relaxation to the existing law and must not be interpreted as a prelude to its abolition'' (SC, 43). I realize that most people think that they are theological prodigies, but Paul VI knew, I am sure, more theology than all of us goof-balls on this forum combined. Add that to Pope John Paul II - who was the Pope who actually did accept the converts as priests - who upheld the holy practice of priestly celibacy beautifully in his encyclical ''Pastures Dabo Vobis,'' and it's your theological opinion against a number of real theologians. All that the allowance of a few, miniscule exceptions says, theologically speaking, is that ''Virginity, undoubtably, as the Second Vatican Council declared 'is not, of course, required by the nature of the priesthood itself''' (SC, 17). But that was never in doubt in the first place.

One part of the theology of priestly celibacy is wonderfully presented by Pope Paul when he wrote that Christ remained celibate ''wholly in accord with [His] mission'' (21). That is to say, it wasn't accidental or a coincidence, but His celibacy itself has theological meaning. The same sign of universal love and total dedication to the Father through a conjugal union with the Church is imaged in the priest's imitation of Christ's celibacy; but this is only an effective sign if it's a function of the Western priesthood itself, rather than the individual devotion of the priest. Itaque, while a few exceptions have been occasionally allowed, as a whole the western priesthood images the celibacy of Christ, which is wholly in accord with the mission of Christ, and, by extention, also in accord with the mission of the priest who acts In-the-Person-of-Christ (not just by saying 'this is my body' at Mass, but by actually living as He did).

Finally, ''logistical and financial issues'' are both bad reasons for opposing married priests. If those were the only objections a person has to married priests, then he should end the illusion and sat that he's for married priests - even though it won't matter, because it's not going to change. That is because serious proponents of abolishing the rule gave up on the theology when they realized they had no argument; but it's for theological reasons that celibacy will stay.
 
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Will Celibacy be reconsidered ?

Clearly yes . Archbishop Pietro Parolin , to be the Pope's new Secretary of State , said that the principle of clerical celibacy is ecclesiastical tradition rather than Church dogma , and is therefore open to discussion .

This would indicate that it is being reconsidered .


What? The Church has always believed that. It's like saying the Pope's comments about gays indicates a reconsideration of homosexuality is being considered.
 
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What? The Church has always believed that. It's like saying the Pope's comments about gays indicates a reconsideration of homosexuality is being considered.
Kinda what I thought.
 
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For clarification, the Catholic Church has always believed what?---mandatory celibacy?

What? The Church has always believed that. It's like saying the Pope's comments about gays indicates a reconsideration of homosexuality is being considered.
 
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It would be surprising if they made that decision, but I am not surprised that they might talk about it.

Stranger things have happened though.

I noticed someone mentioned the Anglican Ordinariate - it would be MUCH more likely to take off if it allowed a married priesthood. A mundane consideration, but there it is.
 
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The ordinariate turned out to be quite the disappointment. Do you remember Father Mark from CAF? He was an ACNA Anglican, converted to Catholicism, tried the ordinariates, but the bishops and priests in charge of it are FORMER EPISCOPALIANS!!! They HATE the ACNA folks and turn them down. The Catholic Church has a ton of these liberal former Episcopalians picking and choosing who comes in....so the more liberal converts make it, the traditionalists get put in the Phantom Zone....

It would be surprising if they made that decision, but I am not surprised that they might talk about it.

Stranger things have happened though.

I noticed someone mentioned the Anglican Ordinariate - it would be MUCH more likely to take off if it allowed a married priesthood. A mundane consideration, but there it is.
 
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That celibacy is a practice of the Church, not a 'dogma'.

The practice within the Latin Rite is not going to change for a long time, if at all. After Vatican II was the time for it, and the fact it didn't happen indicates it will not for generations. Celibacy is an important part of formation for all seminarians - it is something they come to love and appreciate.

There are lay people that support it, but they can't give any coherent reason for why they do.
 
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