Zimmerman's biggest mistake.

[OldWiseGuy]

In an interview Rachael Jeantel opined that Trayvon was just going to 'whup a--' Zimmerman, not kill him. Zimmerman should have known that his life wasn't really in danger although he could have been seriously harmed by the 'whup a--'. And even if Trayvon grabbed the gun Zimmerman should have known that Trayvon wouldn't have shot him with it as his only purpose was the 'whup a--.

 

[tolly]

If we accept your premise, then we must accept that we all must take a beating without any recourse except fleeing if possible. That our right to defend ourselves consists solely of what we are able to do with the skills and strength we possess within ourselves. I don't agree.

First, a person whose intent to just 'whup' someone can find himself facing manslaughter after just one punch. It happens all too often that a simple fight results, unintentionally, in the death of another. Can one consider that when defending oneself?

Secondly, the underlying principle of self-defense and 'stand your ground' rests upon the premise that we don't have to choose between 'run or die'. We have, along with a right to be free from physical harm, a right to remain in the place we occupy without giving an inch to another who believes he/she has the right to use violent force to displace us.

I know liberals hate the idea. They would rather a person should just hand over their valuables to any who would demand them, submit to the physical assault or rape, or worse, and be grateful if one escapes with their life. But those days are soon coming to an end, as they should have long ago.

 

[bsd31]

In an interview Rachael Jeantel opined that Trayvon was just going to 'whup a--' Zimmerman, not kill him. Zimmerman should have known that his life wasn't really in danger although he could have been seriously harmed by the 'whup a--'. And even if Trayvon grabbed the gun Zimmerman should have known that Trayvon wouldn't have shot him with it as his only purpose was the 'whup a--.

Self defense also covers "great bodily harm" I don't know how it is worded in Florida but it's a universal concept.

And I guess Jeantel forgot to give Zimmerman the "It's only going to be an a-- whooping memo" If that's the case then maybe Rachael Jeantel should look at herself in the mirror when she's wanting to blame someone for Travyvon Martin's death.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Self defense also covers "great bodily harm" I don't know how it is worded in Florida but it's a universal concept.

And I guess Jeantel forgot to give Zimmerman the "It's only going to be an a-- whooping memo" If that's the case then maybe Rachael Jeantel should look at herself in the mirror when she's wanting to blame someone for Travyvon Martin's death.

Bullseye! Zimmerman didn't get the memo.

 

[tolly]

Self defense also covers "great bodily harm" I don't know how it is worded in Florida but it's a universal concept.

And I guess Jeantel forgot to give Zimmerman the "It's only going to be an a-- whooping memo" If that's the case then maybe Rachael Jeantel should look at herself in the mirror when she's wanting to blame someone for Travyvon Martin's death.

More accurately, it covers 'a fear of great bodily harm'. While this element is vague, I believe it is justifiably so. No one, in the moment of eminent danger has the capacity to make assessments about what might possibly be the consequences of another attacking them.

In the Martin case, being beaten with fists and having one's head forced into pavement was, I submit, a pretty good indication that this wasn't some petty schoolyard bravado. He had good cause to pull the trigger.

 

[QuiltAngel]

And just how was Zimmerman to know that is all he wanted to do? How does Rachel really know that that was his only intent? A lot of value has been given to what she thinks, but by not actually being there, she doesn't really know what happened or what Martin's intent really was other than her saying this is what he said.

Also, I wonder why she didn't encourage Martin to hang up and call the police.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Also, I wonder why she didn't encourage Martin to hang up and call the police.

Run or fight, yes. Call the police, never.

 

[PreachersWife2004]

Run or fight, yes. Call the police, never.

I can think of a few reasons why Trayvon wouldn't have wanted to involve the police, however, it appears that by speculating I'm a racist white person.

 

[variant]

The biggest mistake Zimmerman made was getting out of his car to chase a black kid down an alleyway for "looking suspicious".

 

[PreachersWife2004]

The biggest mistake Zimmerman made was getting out of his car to chase a black kid down an alleyway for "looking suspicious".

It has been argued ad nauseum that he did not chase anyone.

Goodness, I thought you had a fondness for facts. I guess I was wrong.

And just so you know, I'm not going to argue the entire thing here yet again. A jury of my peers found him not guilty as well. All that's left is the racial blustering by others.

Zimmerman's biggest mistake in all of this was not being the right color.

 

[Sistrin]

I know liberals hate the idea. They would rather a person should just hand over their valuables to any who would demand them, submit to the physical assault or rape, or worse, and be grateful if one escapes with their life. But those days are soon coming to an end, as they should have long ago.

You are correct here, but it goes a bit farther than this. Liberals couldn't care less about Treyvon Martin and in actuality never did. They only cared about the opportunity his death offered and continues to offer them to promote and advance certain agendas. America is a still a racist nation, gun control, and continued encroachment onto civil liberties. Obama's input into this case has been deplorable, and should forever put to rest any notion he ever had any intention of uniting America.

I can think of a few reasons why Trayvon wouldn't have wanted to involve the police, however, it appears that by speculating I'm a racist white person.

Over time the race baiters & poverty pimps have constructed a narrative that all cops are racist and no black person is ever going to be fairly treated by one. This is of course another carefully crafted lie of the left which, as you point out, if challenged immediately results in the charge of racism.

 

[Avniel]

Also, I wonder why she didn't encourage Martin to hang up and call the police.

I was robbed at gun point I knew the person that robbed me I knew where he stayed, where he hung out even where his child's mother's best friend lived. No one encouraged me to call the police and the thought call the police never entered into my head.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I was robbed at gun point I knew the person that robbed me I knew where he stayed, where he hung out even where his child's mother's best friend lived. No one encouraged me to call the police and the thought call the police never entered into my head.

I'm guessing the person that robbed you was black. Blacks have another reason not to involve the police besides fear of unfair treatment. The police have a nasty habit of uncovering other things that blacks want to remain hidden. They don't want the police nosing around too much.

 

[variant]

It has been argued ad nauseum that he did not chase anyone.

Goodness, I thought you had a fondness for facts. I guess I was wrong.

And just so you know, I'm not going to argue the entire thing here yet again. A jury of my peers found him not guilty as well. All that's left is the racial blustering by others.

Zimmerman's biggest mistake in all of this was not being the right color.

They found him not guilty of manslaughter and murder, not that he didn't get out of the car and chase a kid down an alleyway.

That was his mistake plain and simple.

No jury trial can decide what was in the mans mind when he decided to profile that boy.

 

[Bedford]

The biggest mistake Zimmerman made was getting out of his car to chase a black kid down an alleyway for "looking suspicious".

Yes, this was Zimmerman's biggest mistake.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

They found him not guilty of manslaughter and murder, not that he didn't get out of the car and chase a kid down an alleyway.

That was his mistake plain and simple.

No jury trial can decide what was in the mans mind when he decided to profile that boy.

But, what if it was Martin that 'profiled' Zimmerman?

 

[Bedford]

But, what if it was Martin that 'profiled' Zimmerman?

Are you suggesting that Martin chose the first person he found who pulled their car over to watch his movements, lured him into an ally to pummel him simply because that is what a thug does?

 

[PreachersWife2004]

Are you suggesting that Martin chose the first person he found who pulled their car over to watch his movements, lured him into an ally to pummel him simply because that is what a thug does?

No, I think he's suggesting that perhaps Martin was suspicious of Zimmerman because he thought he was white. We have Martin on the phone calling him a cracker.

Makes sense, actually. Martin apparently wanted to beat himself some cracker jack. (Which sounds just as ridiculous as the assertion that Zimmerman chased Martin down an alley. I still have yet to see the evidence for THAT little gem)

 

[QuiltAngel]

I was robbed at gun point I knew the person that robbed me I knew where he stayed, where he hung out even where his child's mother's best friend lived. No one encouraged me to call the police and the thought call the police never entered into my head.

Did you have a 4 minute slot of time where you were out of site of the thieves that would have given you time to call? From the sounds of it, the answer to that is NO. Trayvon Marting did have that time.

 

[bhsmte]

The biggest mistake Zimmerman made was getting out of his car to chase a black kid down an alleyway for "looking suspicious".

In hindsight yes, but unfortunately, none of us can act in the moment, with that benefit.

If Zimmerman felt Martin was going to attack him, I don't think he gets out of his car, because he lost him. Also, it is pretty clear, Martin's biggest mistake was using violence.