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[Wayte]

out of curiosity, do liberals have any conception of game theory? Like, do they ever sit down and consider their end-game society, and whether or not such a hedonic society would be able to resist the virtuous society?


A society of few children and no mothers, of castrated men and barren women eager to smother their offspring in the womb or the crib, of much noise and no music, of much color and no art, of nothing of substance or lasting value; a society waiting to ripped apart by the winds... do they see the society they desire and think "yes, this will last a thousand years. This will resist the world, this will be the final stage of human development!" as their ideologies require and hilariously assume?



Or do they just dither about whining about rights and causes and have no eye at all on eternal things?

My my, that's a slippery slope. I hope the world's butter supplies will recover

 

[variant]

You do realize that Japan is "worse" than we are when it comes to morality and all that arbitrary, relative jazz, but are just fine as a functioning culture?

Japan is hardly liberal either, and were just talking about a lot of false dichotomies.

What does liberalism and strength in society have to do with dealing with homosexuality like rational adults instead of bronze age goat herders?

One would think the enlightenment and rationalism were pluses for western society that just about every sain culture has adopted.

 

[SmellsLikeCurlyFries]

Japan is hardly liberal either, and were just talking about a lot of false dichotomies.

What does liberalism and strength in society have to do with dealing with homosexuality like rational adults instead of bronze age goat herders?

I dunno. I was just making the point that a godless society without a strong moral fabric is not necessarily doomed for imminent destruction

 

[EdwinWillers]

I assume you're implying that all these negative opinions on your beliefs legitimize your views? Cause ya, good things are mocked. But just because something is mocked does not mean it's good.

Nope. Because I realize several things (as I'm sure you do too) - First, neither truth nor goodness are defined by their opposition. Second, neither are lies or evil defined by theirs. And Third, if justification comes by opposition, then all things are justifiable and nothing unjustifiable.

 

[variant]

I dunno. I was just making the point that a godless society without a strong moral fabric is not necessarily doomed for imminent destruction

"God" dosen't really have much to do with any of it in my opinion.

Western society is built on a pillar of rationalism and fortified with scientific curiosity and a bit of gun powder.

 

[Wayte]

Nope. Because I realize several things (as I'm sure you do too) - First, neither truth nor goodness are defined by their opposition. Second, neither are lies or evil defined by theirs. And Third, if justification comes by opposition, then all things are justifiable and nothing unjustifiable.

Ah, I must apologize for my assumption then. Though in that case, what does define goodness? certainly it's not simply a matter of "do no harm," or this debate wouldn't be happening.

 

[SmellsLikeCurlyFries]

"God" dosen't really have much to do with any of it in my opinion.

I agree completely. But Christians would have us believe that a godless society with no strong moral fabric inherent in the government is the apocalypse.

 

[variant]

I agree completely. But Christians would have us believe that a godless society with no strong moral fabric inherent in the government is the apocalypse.

Brought up in an argument that we should get our moral foundations on the basis of homosexuality from bronze age goat herders.

Consider the source. Again, hard to take seriously.

 

[Ernst Junger]

Have you stopped to consider that perhapse you just have a lot of bad assumptions.

What society do you propose that lasted for thousands of years in static harmony in a modern world? Perhapse how a society deals with changes and growth is part of what makes it strong.

Evasive. EDITORS NOTE: actually it isn't. It answers the question perfectly. You haven't considering the unsustainablity of your endgame.

My my, that's a slippery slope. I hope the world's butter supplies will recover

You are my favorite anime expert dunning-kruger genius

What are these eternal things?

Plato's eternal forms is a good place to start. That formation of truth is definately the most compelling.

 

[stiggywiggy]

By your analogy Christianity is inspireing the worst and most dispicable in people.

You think I think people are born Christians??? Why would you think such a thing? What do you base it on? And what "anaolgy" are you thinking I presented?

By your argument you are saying that people are wrong to take pride in themselves when confronted by the darkest part of human nature.

Wrong, as in sinful?? No. I merely pointed out how strange it seems to me that people would take pride in something which they believe they had absolutely no part in achieving.

They are wrong to reject the darkness that lies in the most petty of souls

Nope. Don't believe I said or even implied anything remotely close to that. But please copy and paste what I said that you THINK indicates that I did.

 

[variant]

Evasive

And yet you avoided the question yourself.

 

[Ernst Junger]

I edited: i realized your answer isn't evasive.

 

[variant]

You think I think people are born Christians??? Why would you think such a thing? What do you base it on? And what "anaolgy" are you thinking I presented?

I think the behavior you describe is dispicable and is analogous to very type of behavior that Christianity espouses. I believe I have made this clear.

Wrong, as in sinful?? No. I merely pointed out how strange it seems to me that people would take pride in something which they believe they had absolutely no part in achieving.

They take pride in it in the face of abuse.

Nope. Don't believe I said or even implied anything remotely close to that. But please copy and paste what I said that you THINK indicates that I did.

I was questioning the logical endpoint of your ignoring the abuse that people take for being Gay.

People are right to feel pride in who they are, especially in the face of withering abuse.

 

[stiggywiggy]

I'm left handed. I know plenty of people that have some pride in themselves for being left handed.

I've known scores of left handed people and never heard anyone express pride in the fact.

If you were a homosexual, you would have pride in that fact, I guarantee you.

If I were a homosexual, I wouldn't be me, but somebody else, and neither you nor I have a clue as to whether that fictitious character would (a). think he was born that way, and (b) be so illogical as to take pride in that supposed fact.

 

[variant]

I edited: i realized your answer isn't evasive.

Just proving you don't actually read what I write.

I think any "endgame" for society is unsustainable because society requires change at a more and more rapid pace and the entire idea of a thousand year society is a terribly bad idea (with very few logical paralells or examples that you can point to as "successful" societies).

 

[Panzerkamfwagen]

I guess they missed the bit about involuntary servitude...

 

[SmellsLikeCurlyFries]

I merely pointed out how strange it seems to me that people would take pride in something which they believe they had absolutely no part in achieving.

But why? Your identity, who and what you are, is the entire sum of your being. Without your identity, you are nobody.

Personally, I think everyone should be proud of who and what they are, whether they were "born this way" or not.

 

[EdwinWillers]

Ah, I must apologize for my assumption then. Though in that case, what does define goodness? certainly it's not simply a matter of "do no harm," or this debate wouldn't be happening.

That's a good question.

For "goodness" or "evil" to exist, there must be an ideal for both or neither exists. For anyone to suggest the latter would be disingenuous because we all know different (philosophical amusements aside). It remains then what exactly is the ideal of each.

 

[stiggywiggy]

I think the behavior you describe is dispicable and is analogous to very type of behavior that Christianity espouses.

???? I have no idea what you're talking about. Christianity espouses ridiculing people??? Seriously, I don't get what you're trying to say here.

I was questioning the logical endpoint of your ignoring the abuse that people take for being Gay.

??? Again that simply makes no sense. How can I IGNORE something that is axiomatic to my "analogy," to use your word, said alleged analogy being the abuse people with birthmarks might recieve?

People are right to feel pride in who they are

Regardless of who they are? No!!!!

 

[Panzerkamfwagen]

Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
Section 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.[2]

These windbags should try reading it sometime.

If you're trying to use government coercion to force someone to do something for you, that is not voluntary.