It is still NOT okay to eat pork.

[Lenity]

I will provide bible verses, but I would first like to see people's reaction to this and their biblical knowledge of the matter.

 

[Cjwinnit]

1/ Paul thinks it's ok for Gentile Christians.

Paul's book to the Galatians covers quite well how Gentile christians should (or shouldn't) have to follow OT law to gain salvation.

2/ Peter thinks it's ok.

Acts 10: 9 - 29 reads as follows:

"About noon the following day as they were on their journey and approaching the city, Peter went up on the roof to pray. He became hungry and wanted something to eat, and while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance. He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles and birds. Then a voice told him, “Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.”

“Surely not, Lord!” Peter replied. “I have never eaten anything impure or unclean.”

The voice spoke to him a second time, “Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.” This happened three times, and immediately the sheet was taken back to heaven.

While Peter was wondering about the meaning of the vision, the men sent by Cornelius found out where Simon’s house was and stopped at the gate. They called out, asking if Simon who was known as Peter was staying there. While Peter was still thinking about the vision, the Spirit said to him, “Simon, three men are looking for you. So get up and go downstairs. Do not hesitate to go with them, for I have sent them.”

Peter went down and said to the men, “I’m the one you’re looking for. Why have you come?” The men replied, “We have come from Cornelius the centurion. He is a righteous and God-fearing man, who is respected by all the Jewish people. A holy angel told him to ask you to come to his house so that he could hear what you have to say.” Then Peter invited the men into the house to be his guests.

The next day Peter started out with them, and some of the believers from Joppa went along. The following day he arrived in Caesarea. Cornelius was expecting them and had called together his relatives and close friends. As Peter entered the house, Cornelius met him and fell at his feet in reverence. But Peter made him get up. “Stand up,” he said, “I am only a man myself.”

While talking with him, Peter went inside and found a large gathering of people. He said to them: “You are well aware that it is against our law for a Jew to associate with or visit a Gentile. But God has shown me that I should not call anyone impure or unclean. So when I was sent for, I came without raising any objection.

3/ Jesus said (as recorded in Matthew 15: “Listen and understand. What goes into someone’s mouth does not defile them, but what comes out of their mouth, that is what defiles them.”

 

[miamited]

hi lenity,

Do you think that God changes the rules from time to time?

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

 

[ChristianT]

I will provide bible verses, but I would first like to see people's reaction to this and their biblical knowledge of the matter.

If you are personally convicted that somehow eating pork will take you away from God (such a thing would take a long, consequential background that is rare and most unlikely), then I agree with you.

 

[wayseer]

Well Peter had no illusions - after his dream.

One of the things with Christianity is that there are no rules. If God indicated to you that you should refrain from eating pork the follow those instructions. But those instructions are for you and not the rest of us.

 

[Cotjones]

FYI: Bacon is served in heaven.

 

[lithiumkat]

I tend to believe that the rules were changed when the new testament came into play and things were adjusted, I pretty much agree with the verse about "it is not what goes into a mans mouth that defiles him but it is what comes out of his mouth that defiles him" I think after Jesus sacrificed himself for us and sacrificing of animals became an out of date procedure that so did the ban on eating pork. but thats just my personal opinion.

 

[His_disciple3]

Galatians 5:1-6
5 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth anything, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.
KJV

if you want to go back under the law then that is you, But i am staying under grace, thank you!!

 

[Cotjones]

Galatians 5:1-6
5 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth anything, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.
KJV

if you want to go back under the law then that is you, But i am staying under grace, thank you!!

So what your saying is that if I follow the law, i'll lose grace. Good to know

 

[RINO 72]

So what your saying is that if I follow the law, i'll lose grace. Good to know

Only if your relying on it to save you.

 

[TRWord]

I will provide bible verses, but I would first like to see people's reaction to this and their biblical knowledge of the matter.

Paul said:

If you have doubts then you should not partake of it.

Rom. 14:14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.

Rom. 14:20 For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence.

Rom. 14:23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

 

[His_disciple3]

So what your saying is that if I follow the law, i'll lose grace. Good to know

I did not say it. (actually I think there would be a big difference to follow the Law and go back under the law.) the scriptures said it!

 

[thesunisout]

I will provide bible verses, but I would first like to see people's reaction to this and their biblical knowledge of the matter.

It seems clear from scripture, such as has been mentioned in the thread, that there is no edict against eating pork. I myself feel convicted not to eat it in general so I generally don't. Many brothers and sisters do not feel that conviction and so I wouldn't try to tell them not to do it. Sometimes the Holy Spirit calls us to cut certain things out of our life. What you have to watch for is that it isn't something from Satan to trap you into a legalistic mindset. To always remember that we're justified by faith alone.

 

[TRWord]

hi lenity,

Do you think that God changes the rules from time to time?

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

Something is changing from time to time but the question is; What?

Jesus Christ represents “the truth;” the absolute relationship between us and our Father and notice that the scripture says:

Heb. 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and today, and for ever.

This tells us that our relationship with God or what you called “the rules”have never changed but what is changing is our growth in understanding.

 

[VCViking]

I will provide bible verses, but I would first like to see people's reaction to this and their biblical knowledge of the matter.

I think people are waiting for you to enlighten them.

 

[Sketcher]

I'm a Gentile. The kosher laws wouldn't have even applied to me in Old Testament times, and there is no mandate in the New Testament to bring Gentile converts under the kosher laws. Quite the opposite, really. Read Acts 15 and the entire book of Galatians.

 

[Redleg]

This is how my mother explained it to me and I am inclined to agree. We all know that if you do not cook pork properly it will make you sick or kill you. In the days of old many people did not know this. It was probably decided that it was too risky for the average person to prepare pork. Here's the catch, how do you tell people not to eat pork, especially those who are poor. You cannot tell someone not to eat it and expect them to listen, but tell them that God said not to eat it and that is a whole new ballgame.

 

[journey7]

Romans 14 also has an “all things” verse:
Rom 14:20 Do not tear down the work of God for the sake of food. All things indeed are clean, but they are evil for the man who eats and gives offense. NASU
“All things” are clean, so does this mean that literally everything is lawful? Doesn’t this imply that certain things only become ‘unclean’ when people ‘eat with offence’? If this is true, then a lot would depend on our motives whether or not something is sin, and this is a view commonly held in the Family. After all, Romans 14 also says that there is nothing that is inherently ‘unclean’:
Rom 14:14 I know and am convinced in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself; but to him who thinks anything to be unclean, to him it is unclean. NASU
Therefore (according to the Family) Christians actually have immense liberty in their choice of actions that are lawful before God. Specifically, it is the Family’s position that the Ten Commandments no longer apply to Christians. Further, as “nothing is unclean in itself” and “all things are clean” this necessarily.

Paul had been some contention regarding the extent that Gentile believers should adhere to the Jewish law, especially regarding circumcision, Sabbath observance and food laws.

Paul addressed The ‘eaters’ and the ‘non-eaters’ looked down on and condemned each other. these disagreements became so intense that people were hurt, and God’s work was hindered.

Romans 14:1-4 introduces the food dispute. Paul’s immediate concern is not to take a stand on one side of the argument or the other, but to caution both parties that they should not look down on each other.

Romans 14:1-4 Paul’s immediate concern is not to take a stand on one side of the argument or the other, but to caution both parties that they should not look down on each other.

If your conscience convicts you about something, then you should not do it, no matter what anyone tells you. If you have a feeling that some thought or action is wrong, then you’d better stay away from it, because that nagging thought in your conscience might be the voice of God trying to prevent you from sinning.

Other scripture, is it is not what goes into the mouth of a person that defiles them but what comes out of their mouth is the condition of the heart.

Anyway, conclusion, if you feel that you should not eat pork, then don't but don't condemn those who do eat pork.

 

[Andy S. Wright]

I think people are waiting for you to enlighten them.

*Raises hand*

I, for one, await the enlightenment with baited breath. Do hurry though because Tuesday night is pork chops night and I'm hungry.

 

[miamited]

Something is changing from time to time but the question is; What?

Jesus Christ represents “the truth;” the absolute relationship between us and our Father and notice that the scripture says:

Heb. 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and today, and for ever.

This tells us that our relationship with God or what you called “the rules”have never changed but what is changing is our growth in understanding.

Hi tr,

Thanks for your response, but I was actually directing the question to lenity. Apparently they have left the building.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted