Verizon Domestic Violence Vid

[Conservativation]

Rest my case

enjoy folks

 

[mjmcmillan]

It's interesting that these MRAs take an adversarial approach to domestic violence support for women. It really just goes to show that their agenda isn't to provide dv support for men, but to destroy that which is in existence for women.

Where did you ever get an idea like that??? We're just asking for a more balanced approach to the problem of domestic violence. It's not all one-sided, even though ads like the Verizon one try their best to make it appear so... and to paint men as monsters. I only play a monster on Halloween. Seriously.

 

[Conservativation]

Where did you ever get an idea like that??? We're just asking for a more balanced approach to the problem of domestic violence. It's not all one-sided, even though ads like the Verizon one try their best to make it appear so... and to paint men as monsters. I only play a monster on Halloween. Seriously.

That response is a tactic, a programmed tactic to discredit anything that seeks balance.
Yea, as a man whose mother was beaten senseless I want to destroy support structures for women......uh huh.....sheesh.

 

[Avniel]

The funny thing is that my father beat us, me in particular. But he never raised a hand or even yelled at my sister. In my community I know a lot of kids that are beaten and most of them are boys, the girls normally have it easier. I've been choked out by my father and my brother he fought my father and lost horrible. But my sister never even got yelled, and I think this is a reality also atleast in my community.

With that being said I have never hit or touched my wife. I wouldn't, however I will hit anyone that has the audacity to put their hands on me(I don't know if that makes me a monster). As far as children goes it hurts my heart that people think just because you were abused means you are going to be abusive. I am the type of person that I can't deal with tears, I think I cried to much growing up and that is my weakness. If I am watching one of my nephews and they start to cry then I have lost and give in and give them whatever they like. My heart just bleeds for kids when they cry and I can't help it. I would never lay a hand on a child because it just something that isn't in me.

 

[Athene]

Where did you ever get an idea like that??? We're just asking for a more balanced approach to the problem of domestic violence. It's not all one-sided, even though ads like the Verizon one try their best to make it appear so... and to paint men as monsters. I only play a monster on Halloween. Seriously.

From the article.

The Santa Monica Daily Press ran the article below by David Pisarra, which is another in an ever increasing number of articles exposing the idiocy (ideology) and damage done by the DV Industry, a mega billion dollar industry whose survival is dependent upon scapegoating men, blaming them, shaming them, dis-empowering them, disenfranchising them, and imprisoning them when indoctrination fails.

hth

 

[Athene]

Rest my case

enjoy folks

Oh, I think we both know what the stats in question actually show, and we both know you won't press this further.

 

[Conservativation]

It makes sense , yes, women are around kids more, so women abuse kids more then men,

Ok....ya happy

But you miss the point of the numbers completely in your quest to make things relative one gender to the other you completely miss the point.

it is OBJECTIVELY true, that the women are doing it, regardless how it compares or what the circumstances are.

Switching back and forth between relativism and objectiveism is a feminist trick. It doesn't work on me.

The point stands as made, whatever the reason, there can be an ad about women abusing and or killing children. But there never will be, and your pat objections are just a tiny part of it.

the idea that there is ANYTHING whatsoever that women are unilaterally responsible for just will not go down, even with a barrel full of sugar. Revealing the moral superiority complex is actually what I am trying to do, as are others, not to actually engage in these pointless tit for tat sessions.

 

[McScribe]

Oh, I think we both know what the stats in question actually show, and we both know you won't press this further.

Just to make it clear: the agenda of most feminists has become the radical one--they are one and the same. If you look at the actual words from major feminist conferences you can see that their goal is feminine dominance--they blatantly admit it. They want women's ways of doing things to lead in everything. The sufferings of women in the third world are merely a means towards this end. This is why they are smug in the face of requests that they consider a more balanced view--they blatantly admit, among themselves, that gender equity is not what they want at all.

 

[Conservativation]

Mcs, thats why there are these programmed responses, and indeed they are clever, because they take a statement that is true, but make something out of it that is actually not relevant.
Thats just one of myriad tricks you and I and others know full well.

 

[mjmcmillan]

From the article.



hth

Excuse me, maybe I missed it, but-- just how, exactly did the quoted passage say we wanted to shut down organisations that help women who are suffering abuse? I saw nothing of the sort. I do see the idea that all men are monsters being railed against, and deservedly so. It might surprise you to learn that all men are not abusive monsters-- but you'll never know it to look at things like that Verizon ad. Some are-- but not all, or even the majority.

 

[Conservativation]

show me a world where there are no abusive monsters, no violent offenders, etc......its called Heaven. To seek it here is utopianism, more importantly its a tool of leverage for feminists. If there was one man abusing somewhere, they would be just as relentless.

I have asked feminists time and again, on major so called scholarly websites to describe for me what a world looks like if they could say mission accomplished, when can they say job done cool lets chill.

they have no answer, the answer is that idea scares them, the cause is an organism, it feeds on the things it says to be against, without them the organism dies....and along with it the house of cards of superiority

 

[MessianicMommy]

I do not have a problem with the ad as is. My dad was one that was abused by his mother and his stepfather and stepbrothers. It was a constant fight for him to not be abusive, and quite honestly, that "monster" was something he fought to NOT become his entire life.

I have a friend who broke out of an abusive relationship just 2 yrs ago. 6 kids, only 2 of them girls. She is struggling very hard to boost the boys self esteem, and for them not to become "Monsters".. They began verbally abusing her recently, and it's taken some help from family to curb that, among some other harmful behaviors. Considering what happened in the home while abuse was going on, I'm not surprised by what she is currently facing and handling.

This is not to say that women are not abusive (my grandmother was, but she was also addicted to drink), or that there shouldn't be ads about women too.. but from the video as it is, with the time frame they had to get the word out (probably the only time outside of school a child would see such a thing), that was the best they could come up with.

I'm not even going to touch on the "feminist" argument. I think it's a moot point at the moment, because what we are discussing is a video about abusive situations, and what statistically happens. Doesn't mean it happens 99.9999% of the time, but enough that the helpful organizations feel it needs mentioning so that the child or the woman or man involved gets help.

Athene is right about some women and family group-homes for those coming out of abusive situations being shut down. Doesn't just happen in the UK either. It happens in the US and Germany too.

IIRC, there have been PSA's about women who need help with their PPD or mental health when they think about harming their children or themselves. It's just been a while since it's been on TV or Radio. I think the last one I heard was around 2001-2002? It went into how PPD could come on at any point during or after pregnancy, what signs and symptoms to look out for, and a number to call/website to check out if you think it sounds like you - before it's too late.
It did not paint all women as having the problem, but it could certainly be (and has been at times) construed to say all women are that way and mental basket cases after having children.

Thing is, there's bad apples on either side of the issue, and we'd do better not tackling the issue accusing one or the other of holding too hard to any line.

Look, the bottom line is IF as ad like this was about women, in ANY FORM or fashion, no matter how unequivocal the statistics show she does a certain thing....you ladies would be harping and marching.

If it were accurate, nope. Not at all.

 

[Sailor_A]

Like most things in life it only shows one side. Maybe the one believed to be most prevalent?

I am glad this thread has raised the issue that men can be victims of domestic violence and little is done about that at all. I agree in raising awareness especially so a more accurate statistic for number of victims can be attained and then help can be provided for such people.

 

[Conservativation]

I do not have a problem with the ad as is. My dad was one that was abused by his mother and his stepfather and stepbrothers. It was a constant fight for him to not be abusive, and quite honestly, that "monster" was something he fought to NOT become his entire life.

I have a friend who broke out of an abusive relationship just 2 yrs ago. 6 kids, only 2 of them girls. She is struggling very hard to boost the boys self esteem, and for them not to become "Monsters".. They began verbally abusing her recently, and it's taken some help from family to curb that, among some other harmful behaviors. Considering what happened in the home while abuse was going on, I'm not surprised by what she is currently facing and handling.

This is not to say that women are not abusive (my grandmother was, but she was also addicted to drink), or that there shouldn't be ads about women too.. but from the video as it is, with the time frame they had to get the word out (probably the only time outside of school a child would see such a thing), that was the best they could come up with.

I'm not even going to touch on the "feminist" argument. I think it's a moot point at the moment, because what we are discussing is a video about abusive situations, and what statistically happens. Doesn't mean it happens 99.9999% of the time, but enough that the helpful organizations feel it needs mentioning so that the child or the woman or man involved gets help.

Athene is right about some women and family group-homes for those coming out of abusive situations being shut down. Doesn't just happen in the UK either. It happens in the US and Germany too.

IIRC, there have been PSA's about women who need help with their PPD or mental health when they think about harming their children or themselves. It's just been a while since it's been on TV or Radio. I think the last one I heard was around 2001-2002? It went into how PPD could come on at any point during or after pregnancy, what signs and symptoms to look out for, and a number to call/website to check out if you think it sounds like you - before it's too late.
It did not paint all women as having the problem, but it could certainly be (and has been at times) construed to say all women are that way and mental basket cases after having children.

Thing is, there's bad apples on either side of the issue, and we'd do better not tackling the issue accusing one or the other of holding too hard to any line.



If it were accurate, nope. Not at all.

But the statistics do not align with the video at all.

Ever hear of Erin Pizzey? Ask her about who wants to shut down what.

She starts the first UK womens shelter....YEAH!!!!

She later starts the first mens shelter, gets death threats....FROM WOMENS GROUPS

The reference to shutting down help had nothing to do with PSA's about PPD anyway. But give me a break, that is no excuse for whatever crime is perpetrated anyway, I would expect a man claiming some similar dysfucntion to be shut down...as he should be

 

[I Art Laughing]

Oh, by the way-- I art not laughing. Somehow, this subject just isn't all that funny.

That depends on what you are laughing at and who you are laughing with. To paraphrase Regina Spector, I am laughing with God.

Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing? The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying, Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us. He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision. Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure. Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion. I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession. Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel. Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth. Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling. Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.
(Psa 2:1-12)

These lies that Verizon and the popular culture hold up as "awareness" are designed to do one thing, uplift vanity. They are aimed at destroying Godly authority and convincing women that men are evil. They are literally raging against Godly authority and conspiring against it. Anyone going along for the ride is going to be in for a rude shock.

God's not on my side, I try to be on His.

 

[I Art Laughing]

What I see as a HUGE problem is the convenient syncretism of women in the Church buying into this nonsense. It is very clear that some who have commented here WANT the worlds answer to DV while purporting to want God's answer. Guess what? The worlds answer is to destroy men, women, the family and everything else, take it or leave it. You may think that it is compatible with God's plan but it is all in your head.

Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.
(2Co 6:14-18)

If you think the unbelievers over at Verizon are Godly, then knock yourself out apologizing for them. I know that they are not, and if you are on their side, I know whose side you aren't on. That advertisement is CHOCK FULL of hate and deception, if you want to swallow it expect to reap what you sew.

 

[MessianicMommy]

To "assign positive intent" [which, fwiw, is what I was doing] is not to live in a fantasy world but to try to avoid jumping to an incorrect conclusion of motive based on a short period of time to make a perception. If it is a negative place the other person is coming from - oh well, and it's still my choice as to how I deal with that. Positive intent is where there are two or more possible explanations for someone's behavior. Maybe they're just rude. Maybe they're having a bad day. Maybe the bad thing they said came out wrong. So we choose to, while we have no further information, assume that the person wasn't being intentionally hurtful. Sometimes extra info will bear out the positive assumption, sometimes not. But I would rather not, while I don't have enough info to know for sure, assume that someone meant to do something bad.

There are verses in the Bible that indicate that it is not for us to judge the intents/heart of someone's actions. We can judge actions, but not the heart.

While these people are worldly (possibly) - we cannot judge their hearts, only their actions.

I might not have come from an abusive home, but I have plenty of friends and some ex-family who did, and I've seen the statistics over and over again come to fruition. Depending what kind of abusive situation it was - sexual, mental/faith-based, physical, marital... it went one of three ways. According to statistic a or b, or completely the opposite and that person was 1,000x the better person and you'd never dream something so horrid ever happened to them.

You can't know my heart or my brain to make an assumption such as you did about my intentions, the information available to me or whether or not I'm in an unequal situation with unbelievers, or adhere to "radical feminism". You have only a sparse number of postings here of which I have actually been very reserved with my opinions and biblical leanings about.

I'm on the side of humanity. No man, woman, or child (male or female) should ever have to stay in a home, a foster home, an orphanage or work situation where they are being abused in any way, shape or form.

I don't stoop to gender bashing and expect the same respect.

I don't want the world's answer. I want G-d's. Problem is, we live in a fallen world. We work with what we have to the best of our abilities, our fallen natures, and what laws the lands we live in give us.

 

[I Art Laughing]

What I saw in that ad was total Godlessness. It labeled people the Jesus died for as "Monsters", (aren't we all) and posited that the only solution was to lock them out. As believers shouldn't we express the hope of redemption in Gospel? Without that redemption we would all be monsters all the time. The finality that they condemned boys and men with was oppressive. The worlds answer is division, loneliness and destruction; given where they get their marching orders should we be shocked?

Yes we live in a fallen world, but Jesus want's us to be peculiar people. To separate ourselves from the corruption that we are completely surrounded by. Who thinks that is going to be easy? Who thinks it's not worth doing?

 

[Athene]

But the statistics do not align with the video at all.

Ever hear of Erin Pizzey? Ask her about who wants to shut down what.

She starts the first UK womens shelter....YEAH!!!!

She later starts the first mens shelter, gets death threats....FROM WOMENS GROUPS

The reference to shutting down help had nothing to do with PSA's about PPD anyway. But give me a break, that is no excuse for whatever crime is perpetrated anyway, I would expect a man claiming some similar dysfucntion to be shut down...as he should be

Tad misleading, Erin Pizzey upset some of the feminist community by a book which was seen by many to be victim blaming. She said that many of the women in the shelters were 'violence prone', meaning they sought men who were violent. That kind of ties in with the advert in the OP a little. Women with violent childhoods seek violent partners, it creates a horrible cycle of abuse extending generation after generation.

 

[Conservativation]

good dodge

she was vilified for her advocacy for men and mens shelters. That she was vilified for something else is totally irrelevant..

They have Im not shocked issued talking points about her, she was/is too big a factor to not have rolled strategy on her