Raped By "Democracy"

[Forrest GOP]

FEBRUARY 16, 2011
Raped By "Democracy"

Monicamemo.com

CBS war correspondent Lara Logan went to Egypt to cover the protests against Hosni Mubarak in its early, heady days of hope n' change. She was detained, interrogated, and released. Undeterred, she returned to Egypt last week to continue covering the story and to interview Wael Ghonim, the young Google executive who played a pivotal role in orchestrating the protests.

Caught up in the final massive anti-Mubarak protest, Logan was surrounded by a mob of men, separated from her crew, and brutally beaten and sexually assaulted. A group of women and Egyptian soldiers finally rescued her. CBS got her out of the country and hospitalized as soon as possible.

This is a personal horror for Logan, and we all wish her a speedy physical and emotional recovery.

There are, however, some lessons in this horrendous attack for the rest of us:

1. The Western reporters who went into Tahrir Square to cover the demonstrations got swept up in the fantasy that they were "one of them," meaning that they felt they were part of the story as well as its chroniclers. The result? Even though most were with security, they let their guards down, becoming enamored of the wondrous "democracy movement" they were witnessing. The result? Many of them got attacked: Fox News's Greg Palkot, CNN's Anderson Cooper, ABC's Brian Hartman, CBS's Lara Logan. They were not "one of them." And the Egyptians made that brutally clear.

2. The Muslim Brotherhood has played a role in the protests from the start, has been orchestrating the transition, and is now running the show in less obvious ways. Yesterday they formed a formal political party to run in the upcoming elections, should they ever take place. And the godfather of the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood, Youssef al-Qaradawi, is now speaking out about the need for Sharia in Egypt and elsewhere and the creation of a renewed Islamic caliphate, what he calls a "united Muslim nations." When the enemy tells you who they are and what they intend to do, believe them. Today the New York Times has one article saying that the Muslim Brotherhood is not relevant in Egypt, and another article saying that a radical MB member has been named to the transition panel advising on a new government. It's all so obvious. We just choose not to see it.

3. As I've been saying, I hope this revolt produces true freedom and human rights for the Egyptian people. But no one has taken the time or thought to ask: Is that what THEY want? That is a serious question. Because so far, it looks like the Egypt that will emerge will be not the one that came to Lara Logan's rescue, but the one that attacked her.

 

[interpreter]

I am not surprised.

 

[Gecko King]

With thousands of people were protesting in Egypt,not everyone will be model citizens. The article judges the entire uprising on the sexual assault of a single Western, female journalist.

 

[Forrest GOP]

With thousands of people were protesting in Egypt,not everyone will be model citizens. The article judges the entire uprising on the sexual assault of a single Western, female journalist.

Studies Of Sexual Assault In Islamic Countries
Studies Of Sexual Assault In Islamic Countries

Sexual assault is quite prevalent in Islamic countries. There are numerous studies and statistics of sexual assault in Muslim majority countries. Reports of domestic violence and sexual violence are uncertain but prevalent.

According to a WHO study in Babol, about 42.4 percent of wives were sexually abused while 81.5 percent have been psychologically and 15.0 percent have been physically abused. A 1996 study by the Human Rights Commission in Pakistan revealed that domestic violence in Pakistan occurs in forms of sexual violence, sexual torture, beatings, acid attacks and burning the victim alive.

A 2002 study conducted by the Pakistan Institute of Medical Sciences demonstrated that about 90 percent of married women were sexually abused, slapped, kicked or beaten when husbands were upset with minor household errors committed by them.

Rape in Islamic Countries

Most Muslim scholars believe that there is no punishment for a woman forced into having sex. But according to a Sunni hadith, death penalty is certain for committing rape. However, due to the cultural attitudes regarding rape in and the stringent requirements for proof of rape in most Muslim countries, very few reports of rape are brought forward. In case of sexual crimes such as zina or fornication, four witnesses are required to testify that they have seen an intercourse between the accused individuals.

Rape Stats in Pakistan:

According to additional police surgeon Dr. Zulfiqar Siyal, 100 women are raped each day in Karachi alone.

FCG or Female Genital Cutting, sometimes called as female circumcision, is more prevalent in Islamic countries such as Ethiopia, Syria, western Iran and Southern Turkey. According to estimates by Amnesty International, over 130 million women have been affected by FGC.

 

[Christos Anesti]

Apparently a few rapists who didn't like foriegners where on the streets during the protests so this proves that the whole movement has nothing to do with democracy or throwing out the Egyptian dictator? That rape may be more common in Islamic countries according to an article makes this even more clear? I'm not seeing the connection.

 

[Forrest GOP]

A person has to have their head many fathoms down in the sand to think that all of this has anything to do with democracy.

 

[Notamonkey]

Studies Of Sexual Assault In Islamic Countries
Studies Of Sexual Assault In Islamic Countries

Sexual assault is quite prevalent in Islamic countries. There are numerous studies and statistics of sexual assault in Muslim majority countries. Reports of domestic violence and sexual violence are uncertain but prevalent.

According to a WHO study in Babol, about 42.4 percent of wives were sexually abused while 81.5 percent have been psychologically and 15.0 percent have been physically abused. A 1996 study by the Human Rights Commission in Pakistan revealed that domestic violence in Pakistan occurs in forms of sexual violence, sexual torture, beatings, acid attacks and burning the victim alive.

A 2002 study conducted by the Pakistan Institute of Medical Sciences demonstrated that about 90 percent of married women were sexually abused, slapped, kicked or beaten when husbands were upset with minor household errors committed by them.

Rape in Islamic Countries

Most Muslim scholars believe that there is no punishment for a woman forced into having sex. But according to a Sunni hadith, death penalty is certain for committing rape. However, due to the cultural attitudes regarding rape in and the stringent requirements for proof of rape in most Muslim countries, very few reports of rape are brought forward. In case of sexual crimes such as zina or fornication, four witnesses are required to testify that they have seen an intercourse between the accused individuals.

Rape Stats in Pakistan:

According to additional police surgeon Dr. Zulfiqar Siyal, 100 women are raped each day in Karachi alone.

FCG or Female Genital Cutting, sometimes called as female circumcision, is more prevalent in Islamic countries such as Ethiopia, Syria, western Iran and Southern Turkey. According to estimates by Amnesty International, over 130 million women have been affected by FGC.

You give facts, he gives PC blather.

 

[Christos Anesti]

You give facts, he gives PC blather.

Was PC blather directed at me? I didn't even say his facts regarding rape in Muslim majority countries were wrong. They might be accurate or they might not be. I haven't really studied that issue and for that reason I have no opinion. I just said it really doesn't mean much in terms of the motivations for the protests. It would be on par with me saying "x, y, z, crimes are more common in the US thus tea party protesters hate democracy". The two are not connected and it would be an absurd conclusion to draw from that.

 

[Blackwater Babe]

A person has to have their head many fathoms down in the sand to think that all of this has anything to do with democracy.

So... what? You think the Egyptian people don't have a right to oust an unpopular dictator?

 

[TheManeki]

So... what? You think the Egyptian people don't have a right to oust an unpopular dictator?

Who's talking about the Egyptians? This is all about Obama. If he had only supported Mubarak wholeheartedly, then American conservatives would have rallied behind the protesters 100%.

 

[Forrest GOP]

So... what? You think the Egyptian people don't have a right to oust an unpopular dictator?

Did I say anywhere in my posts that people don't have a right to out an unpopular dictator? Are you hallucinating posts that are not actually in existance? What I said was that THIS event has nothing to do with democracy. I know that there are many of those protesters who are out protesting with the goal of democracy, and I feel bad for them because the real pupeteers behind all of this and other events in the region do not have anything that remotely resembles democracy on their minds.

 

[mzungu]

Who's talking about the Egyptians? This is all about Obama. If he had only supported Mubarak wholeheartedly, then American conservatives would have rallied behind the protesters 100%.

 

[mzungu]

Did I say anywhere in my posts that people don't have a right to out an unpopular dictator? Are you hallucinating posts that are not actually in existance? What I said was that THIS event has nothing to do with democracy. I know that there are many of those protesters who are out protesting with the goal of democracy, and I feel bad for them. because the real pupeteers beind all of this and other events in the region do not have anything that remotely resembles democracy on their minds.

Call it whatever you want; It still does not change the fact that the people of Egypt want their freedom!

 

[Forrest GOP]

Call it whatever you want; It still does not change the fact that the people of Egypt want their freedom!

I want a billion dollars. That does not mean I am going to get it.

 

[Notamonkey]

Egypt’s Islamic Supremacist is Man of the Hour - HUMAN EVENTS

The Jew-haters in the Muslim brotherhood are rearing their ugly heads.

 

[mzungu]

I want a billion dollars. That does not mean I am going to get it.

To you money is everything because you have not had your freedom infringed upon. Go to North Korea and speak your mind; Don't come crying for help though!

 

[Forrest GOP]

To you money is everything because you have not had your freedom infringed upon. Go to North Korea and speak your mind; Don't come crying for help though!

Why don't you go there for me and tell me all about it.

 

[mzungu]

Why don't you go there for me and tell me all about it.

No need I had to endure an US propped military dictatorship in my country for 7 years.

 

[Gecko King]

Studies Of Sexual Assault In Islamic Countries
Studies Of Sexual Assault In Islamic Countries

Sexual assault is quite prevalent in Islamic countries. There are numerous studies and statistics of sexual assault in Muslim majority countries. Reports of domestic violence and sexual violence are uncertain but prevalent.

[snip]

Please describe in one or two sentences what your point is. The only thing I get out of it is that the Egyptian protesters are not interested in democracy because a journalist was sexually assaulted, and some others attacked. Is this your argument?

 

[Forrest GOP]

With thousands of people were protesting in Egypt,not everyone will be model citizens. The article judges the entire uprising on the sexual assault of a single Western, female journalist.

Studies Of Sexual Assault In Islamic Countries
Studies Of Sexual Assault In Islamic Countries

Sexual assault is quite prevalent in Islamic countries. There are numerous studies and statistics of sexual assault in Muslim majority countries. Reports of domestic violence and sexual violence are uncertain but prevalent.

According to a WHO study in Babol, about 42.4 percent of wives were sexually abused while 81.5 percent have been psychologically and 15.0 percent have been physically abused. A 1996 study by the Human Rights Commission in Pakistan revealed that domestic violence in Pakistan occurs in forms of sexual violence, sexual torture, beatings, acid attacks and burning the victim alive.

A 2002 study conducted by the Pakistan Institute of Medical Sciences demonstrated that about 90 percent of married women were sexually abused, slapped, kicked or beaten when husbands were upset with minor household errors committed by them.

Rape in Islamic Countries

Most Muslim scholars believe that there is no punishment for a woman forced into having sex. But according to a Sunni hadith, death penalty is certain for committing rape. However, due to the cultural attitudes regarding rape in and the stringent requirements for proof of rape in most Muslim countries, very few reports of rape are brought forward. In case of sexual crimes such as zina or fornication, four witnesses are required to testify that they have seen an intercourse between the accused individuals.

Rape Stats in Pakistan:

According to additional police surgeon Dr. Zulfiqar Siyal, 100 women are raped each day in Karachi alone.

FCG or Female Genital Cutting, sometimes called as female circumcision, is more prevalent in Islamic countries such as Ethiopia, Syria, western Iran and Southern Turkey. According to estimates by Amnesty International, over 130 million women have been affected by FGC.

Please describe in one or two sentences what your point is

In one sentence, my point was to debunk the perspective in your original post, which I have again quoted (above).