Why Do You Trust Muhammad?

[norswede]

Agreed. Islam is simple and plain as the desert is simple and plain. You could've almost guessed that a desert people would invent such a religion.

If that comment were made about Christianity would you be offended? I know I would so although we disagree with their religion I don't think it's right to imply that they are simple minded.

 

[b&wpac4]

Agreed. Islam is simple and plain as the desert is simple and plain. You could've almost guessed that a desert people would invent such a religion.

You mean, like the Jewish people were desert dwellers? You know.. the religion you built yours upon?

How shiny is that mirror?

 

[Musa80]

You mean, like the Jewish people were desert dwellers? You know.. the religion you built yours upon?

How shiny is that mirror?

Hehe I was thinking the exact same thing. Not to mention Chesterton is an Orthodox Inquirer. Care to guess where nearly ALL of their theology was conjured up? The terms "Desert Fathers" pop into my mind.

 

[laconicstudent]

Not to mention Chesterton is an Orthodox Inquirer. Care to guess where nearly ALL of their theology was conjured up? The terms "Desert Fathers" pop into my mind.

Ah, no. The Bible, actually. As you should well know. Have you ever read the Vitae Patrum yourself? You can't read that book and then claim that all Orthodox theology is based on it.

 

[Musa80]

Islam is based entirely on the assertions of one man, and a man of dubious character to start with. Jesus performed countless miracles in broad daylight in front of many, many people. Muhammad 1) claimed he talked with an angel alone in a cave (no witnesses), and 2) that he rode a horse to heaven in the middle of the night (no witnesses). How could anyone consider Muhammad believable?

I think I could hardly answer that question better than humblemuslim already has in this thread.

You are a Gentile Christian right? If that is the case, I'd like to ask a similar question. Why do you trust Peter and Paul? The whole premise of Gentile Christianity rests on two men of dubious character and their respective interpretations of two apparitions, and neither had any witnesses (Luke claims Paul had men with him, but of course they didn't "see" anything, and they disappear rather quickly and offer no verification of this event whatsoever).

 

[Musa80]

Ah, no. The Bible, actually. As you should well know. Have you ever read the Vitae Patrum yourself? You can't read that book and then claim that all Orthodox theology is based on it.

And the Bible was written by New Yorkers in three piece suits I suppose?

 

[Montalban]

Muhammad killed a lot of people.

Matthew 26.52: "Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place:for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword."

Not only that he seemed to delight in murder

 

[laconicstudent]

And the Bible was written by New Yorkers in three piece suits I suppose?

You know the answer to that question.

Not only that he seemed to delight in murder

He did, and in the end, he died of poison.

 

[Musa80]

You know the answer to that question.

Of course I do, as do you. The point is all three Abrahamic faiths came originate in the desert. Taking pot shots by any of three at any of the other three based on "simple desert people" is just rather stupid.

 

[Livindesert]

If that comment were made about Christianity would you be offended? I know I would so although we disagree with their religion I don't think it's right to imply that they are simple minded.

Very true it is easy to misrepresent people's faith. It is hard to truly love someone else as yourself and see that God is in all.

 

[Erfan777]

Muhammad killed a lot of people.

Matthew 26.52: "Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place:for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword."

Umm...in the Bible there is actually worse than what is in Islam. Your God allowed genocide to happen not to mention killing children, women and even the animals there like at Jericho as mentioned in Joshua 6:20-21 and for example at Ai as mentioned in Joshua 8:1-29. Can't find any annihilation of an entire population and killing of women and children in Islam though.

You claim Jesus is God and God is the same as in the Old Testament and in the New Testament (which I find hard to understand), then your Jesus wanted those event as I mentioned above to happen. What happened to "Put up again thy sword into his place:for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword".

 

[Montalban]

Umm...in the Bible there is actually worse than what is in Islam.

again, the tu quoque argument is drawn out

 

[Montalban]

Of course I do, as do you. The point is all three Abrahamic faiths came originate in the desert. Taking pot shots by any of three at any of the other three based on "simple desert people" is just rather stupid.

Some here are trying for a literal comparison to what I understood was at worst 'figurative'.

I think you can describe Israel as 'arid', and is not all desert. It was the home of various civilizations, and also under the influence of other civilizations, including Greek, and Roman

Mecca is an oasis in a dersert. It was outside the immediate area of the great civilizations around it.

 

[newborn2007]

Islam is based entirely on the assertions of one man, and a man of dubious character to start with. Jesus performed countless miracles in broad daylight in front of many, many people. Muhammad 1) claimed he talked with an angel alone in a cave (no witnesses), and 2) that he rode a horse to heaven in the middle of the night (no witnesses). How could anyone consider Muhammad believable?

That's a good question.In order to believe those miracles he did,you must first believe the quran as The Word of God.

Do you think Jesus pbuh can do those miracles without The Creator's help?

Moses pbuh had miracles as well and his stick can turn to snake .And he personally have spoken to The Creator even if he didn't see the creator because he cannot see The Creator as he will get burned.

You will never believe my evidence from quran but it is in your own scripture det18:18

"I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and I will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him."
(refer to my thread for it's evidence)
and the most easy proof is Ten Commandments were sent to Jews through Moses pbuh. Do Christians obey the Ten Commandments? I have created thread on that and you can check it out.The answer is no.Christians do not obey the ten commandments because they said God shouldn't have given something they cannot obey.But Muslims and Jews can obey it.


If you are claiming the prophet like Moses pbuh mentioned in Bible is Jesus pbuh,then prove it.
p.s: Jesus pbuh didn't have split identity so he can never be 3 in 1

I can simply prove by living my life according to those ten commandments and prove to you that Moses and Muhammad pbuh conveyed the same message and their people accepted.

 

[newborn2007]

Agreed. The real issue here is that weak-willed people simply follow along with the rest of the crowd. They can have countless contradictions blaring in front of them but they simply choose to follow an EASY religion that explains things plainly and in layman terms (rather than spiritually). Christianity and the next world is more for the true spiritual seekers of G*d's wisdom and who understand the words "love one another."

I can't belief a Christian like you talking about spirituality and easiness of the religion lol.what a joke.

I dare you to be a Muslim for one day and you shall know how easy Islam is.You guy rejected ten commandments just because you guys said God must be crazy to order you to do something you can't do.

That is only ten commandments. if you were to see the whole quran,there are thousands of commandments that need to be obeyed.

Islam is easy for true seeker of the truth.But Islam is difficult for company of Satan.


Let me ask you personally.How many time do you read the Bible?
Have you memorized the Bible by heart?
How many times do you got o church?
Do you keep yourself away from fornication,alcohol.pork and did you lower your gaze?

Or at least do you respect other people no matter what their background and religion is(the answer for this question is obvious lol.your threads and post is the evidence)

Are you a racist?(i still will refer this to your threads and posts)
and the list can go on.

If you think you have done a great job by insulting Islam and proving Islam is the wrong religion,you are not doing good enough.you gotta tried harder next time

The media has been trying for years to destroy Islam but thanx for their publicity,Islam became the fastest growing religion.

Muslims have never spend a single cent,they don't bribe with women or green card or citizenship for people to accept Islam.

The truth itself will guide them and draw them nearer to Islam.

Check out in youtube those videos made by people claiming that they were Muslims but they converted to Christianity because Jesus came in their dream .
All the stories have the same flow.

I was looking for truth>Jesus came in my dream>I fell sick>I accepted Jesus pbuh.

Interesting uh.

And this so called apostate or i shall say"ex Muslims" do not know what is shahadah,and they do Ramadan (Ramahan is a month and you can't do a month)

and they cannot differentiate between shahadah and Al-fatihah.
The famous culprit who are giving lecturers are Eugen and his brother.and all their acting has been exposed in youtube and you can simply search for their video


You gotta try harder next time


Show me the best you can do

 

[Montalban]

Islam is easy, for a man.

If I was a Moslem man married to a Moslem women, then I'd have in effect my very own live-in sex slave. What's 'better' is that if I can afford it, I can have up to four. And, that's not including concubines.

On top of that, if I were a Shi'a Moslem I could have women as my 'wife' just for the night.

 

[Musa80]

Islam is easy, for a man.

If I was a Moslem man married to a Moslem women, then I'd have in effect my very own live-in sex slave. What's 'better' is that if I can afford it, I can have up to four. And, that's not including concubines.

On top of that, if I were a Shi'a Moslem I could have women as my 'wife' just for the night.

As a married man with 1 wife, I have to say that if any man can put up with 4 concurrent wives, truly God is with him

 

[IzzyPop]

Agreed. The real issue here is that weak-willed people simply follow along with the rest of the crowd. They can have countless contradictions blaring in front of them but they simply choose to follow an EASY religion that explains things plainly and in layman terms (rather than spiritually). Christianity and the next world is more for the true spiritual seekers of G*d's wisdom and who understand the words "love one another."

From the atheist perspective the irony of this statement is utterly awe inspiring.

 

[IzzyPop]

However once he had some following he was able to show great anger and instill terror in the hearts of those who opposed him. People were afraid.

Islam is the religion of fear and terror.

At the heart of nearly every religion is fear and terror. Especially the 3 Abrahamic traditions. Get over yourselves already. What makes one security blanket any better than another? They all cover your head when the big bad monster in the closet makes a thump. Does it matter what color ut is?

 

[laconicstudent]

Do you think Jesus pbuh can do those miracles without The Creator's help?

Of course. Since he kind of is, Himself, God.