Why Aren't More Protestants Pro-Life?

[Jeffwhosoever]

Abortion is taking human life. This fact cannot be argued otherwise. It's proof is self evident. I'm pro life in that I believe the Supreme Court made a mistake in legalizing abortion, and I would vote to make it illegal given the chance.

 

[AlAyeti]

Abortion is taking human life. This fact cannot be argued otherwise. It's proof is self evident. I'm pro life in that I believe the Supreme Court made a mistake in legalizing abortion, and I would vote to make it illegal given the chance.

If certain elements of our political and social structure wants to take control of society through "the media," and deny that abortion is taking a human life, why not show abortions on TV as are many other personal medical procedures showcased and allow the public to see what is going on?

 

[Phinehas2]

Too upsetting, the whole wording of killing babies has had to be amended to things that dont sound so bad, like terminating pregancy of a foetus.
My daugther became anti-abortion when she saw it perfomed because she realised it was a human person being killed.

 

[Texas Lynn]

Texas Lynn,


Proof by assertion

The point was infanticide isn’t abortion. And yes abortion certainly is ending human life. Why both you and I were once a foetus and as we are both human life I cant see how you can suggest we werent human life then. If we had been aborted we wouldnt be living our lives now.

This proves nothing.

 

[Texas Lynn]

Abortion is taking human life. This fact cannot be argued otherwise. It's proof is self evident.

"self-evident" = not supported by facts.

 

[AlAyeti]

Too upsetting, the whole wording of killing babies has had to be amended to things that dont sound so bad, like terminating pregancy of a foetus.

Since the hippy sixties, the liberal elements in society have been altering labels as fast as they can. Now, marxism is called progressive. And so on.

My daugther became anti-abortion when she saw it perfomed because she realised it was a human person being killed.

As did I. I saw some abortion movie where women and nurses talked about what goes on during "the procedure" and I looked into their claims and it changed me 100% pro-life. Now that DNA is a science, there can be no easy excuse for killing an unborn child for convenience sake, or as a birth control method, or like using a feminine product.

It's always struck me as odd, that leftists use emotionalism to tout feminist causes and homosexuality, but no amount of emotionalism will be allowed to enter the abortion procedure.

 

[Phinehas2]

Texas Lynn,

This proves nothing.

Proof by assertion

Re-read the argument why.

 

[Phinehas2]

Texas Lynn,

"self-evident" = not supported by facts.

Proof by assertion

Self evident and supported by facts, please re-read the argument and note the facts... post #381 for example.

 

[Servant of Jesus]

This should not be a matter of argument or Christian divisiveness. It has been my life-long experience that the Holy Spirit can be completely relied upon to provide direction; to provide an answer to guide one's life. So for me, there is no question- when I pray, the answer is clear: the Holy Spirit, as forcefully as can be, tells me that abortion is murder, and that a child is a child at conception.

Others can argue what they want- but I will always rely on the Holy Spirit to show me the truth; the one and only way that God wants me to believe.

 

[Texas Lynn]

Texas Lynn,


Proof by assertion

Self evident and supported by facts, please re-read the argument and note the facts... post #381 for example.

No facts were mentioned in that post.

 

[lux et lex]

This should not be a matter of argument or Christian divisiveness. It has been my life-long experience that the Holy Spirit can be completely relied upon to provide direction; to provide an answer to guide one's life. So for me, there is no question- when I pray, the answer is clear: the Holy Spirit, as forcefully as can be, tells me that abortion is murder, and that a child is a child at conception.

Others can argue what they want- but I will always rely on the Holy Spirit to show me the truth; the one and only way that God wants me to believe.

But what about the others who are faithful Christians who rely on the Holy Spirit to guide them and get told the opposite? How are we supposed to reconcile this?

 

[Texas Lynn]

the Holy Spirit, as forcefully as can be, tells me that abortion is murder, and that a child is a child at conception.

Others can argue what they want- but I will always rely on the Holy Spirit to show me the truth; the one and only way that God wants me to believe.

And yet the Holy Spirit tells others precisely the opposite.

 

[Phinehas2]

Texas Lynn,

No facts were mentioned in that post.

Proof by assertion

So with reference to post #381,
Why both you and I were once a foetus and as we are both human life I cant see how you can suggest we werent human life then.

So you must be saying you weren’t ever a foetus and thinking that is a fact. That’s outside reality, and that is a fact.

 

[Phinehas2]

Texas Lynn,

And yet the Holy Spirit tells others precisely the opposite.

Ah no it doesnt, that cant be the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit guides in truth and reminds of all Jesus taught. Jesus didnt remove one iota from the scriptures, the passages that describe God knows us even in the womb and has plans for us means we must not kill that life God has purposes for.

Anyone can claim the Holy Spirit is guiding them, but it doesnt mean it is the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit inspired the scriptures.

 

[katautumn]

The Holy Spirit will not guide a believer to act in any manner that contradicts the Scriptures. If someone has comprehensive Bible knowledge and has undergone regeneration of the mind then there will be no confusion. But one must be careful that they are following the Holy Spirit's guidance and not merely assuming it's the Spirit simply because it feels right, out of a need for self-justification. Lot's of people say things like, "but it just feels like it's God's will for me to do this!", but what they really mean is, "this is what I really want and it makes me happy so I'll assume it's what God wants for me as well". The heart is wicked and deceitful above all things, so we have to be very careful to test what we think and feel against a proper understanding of the Bible.

 

[Texas Lynn]

Texas Lynn,

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Proof by assertion

So with reference to post #381,
Why both you and I were once a foetus and as we are both human life I cant see how you can suggest we werent human life then.

So you must be saying you weren’t ever a foetus and thinking that is a fact. That’s outside reality, and that is a fact.

None of that concerns abortion so your weak assertions are dubunked yet again.

 

[Texas Lynn]

The Holy Spirit will not guide a believer to act in any manner that contradicts the Scriptures. If someone has comprehensive Bible knowledge and has undergone regeneration of the mind then there will be no confusion. But one must be careful that they are following the Holy Spirit's guidance and not merely assuming it's the Spirit simply because it feels right, out of a need for self-justification. Lot's of people say things like, "but it just feels like it's God's will for me to do this!", but what they really mean is, "this is what I really want and it makes me happy so I'll assume it's what God wants for me as well". The heart is wicked and deceitful above all things, so we have to be very careful to test what we think and feel against a proper understanding of the Bible.

Thank you. That shows exactly how pro-choice persons are addressed by the Holy Spirit; it occurs precisely because the Holy Spirit will not guide a believer to act in any mannyer which contradicts the holy scriptures, and criminalizing abortion does that. To take the pro-choice position is to have undergone regeneration of the mind and to obtain clarity and lack of confusion. They are careful that they are following the Holy Spirit and not merely assuming it's the spirit because it feels right out of a need of self-justification. To avoid complicity in the oppression of women by enacting criminalization of abortion is to avoid acting on mere feeling and to truly taske an ethical position out of other than self-interest. To be pro-choice is to take into account the wrongness of the emotionalism which leads to oppression of women and to act inn accordance with Biblical principles in all things.

 

[AlAyeti]

The Holy Spirit will not guide a believer to act in any manner that contradicts the Scriptures.

But people that are Christian can indeed be corrupted by the world and its ways. The world sees abortion as just fine, even though it is the dismemberment and disembowling (the killing of) of a human being for convenience sake.

If someone has comprehensive Bible knowledge and has undergone regeneration of the mind then there will be no confusion.

Jesus relied on solid biblical knowledge for His stand on moral issues. How in the world anyone can think the Holy Spirit would lead a Christian woman to the procedure of slaughtering her unborn child as a birth control method is someone to avoid at all costs. Treating them as a pagan and tax collector doesn't even come close. Well, maybe pagan does. And Jesus is obvioulsy aware that there are Christians that were once following the guidance of the Holy Spirit, but chose to follow a corrupted life instead or that bit of preaching on how to treat an erring fellow believer would not have entered the Gospel.

But one must be careful that they are following the Holy Spirit's guidance and not merely assuming it's the Spirit simply because it feels right, out of a need for self-justification.

Seeing why 99% of abortions are brought about and employed, shows that far more than likely, the Holy Spirit has nothing to do with the pro-abortion side.

Lot's of people say things like, "but it just feels like it's God's will for me to do this!", but what they really mean is, "this is what I really want and it makes me happy so I'll assume it's what God wants for me as well".

Very mature theology there.

The heart is wicked and deceitful above all things, so we have to be very careful to test what we think and feel against a proper understanding of the Bible.

Slaughtering an unborn baby for convenience sake, has no support anywhere in the guidance of the New Testament testimony. That would be solid proof that the Holy Spirit would not encourage a woman to end the life of her unborn child as a form of a birth control method.

 

[Texas Lynn]

Describing an abortion as being "for convenience" is both inaccurate and reprehensible.

 

[drstevej]

Abortions are reprehensible, indeed.

"First, do no harm."

Becomes

"Do no harm unless you want to."