Why Aren't More Protestants Pro-Life?

[lux et lex]

No, those are fetuses. Here are is a baby picture.

 

[chestertonrules]

No, those are fetuses. Here are is a baby picture.


A fetus us just a baby in the womb.

You are killing a human being if you kill a fetus. You are violently slaughtering a baby.

 

[lux et lex]

From: Medical Dictionary, Medical Abbreviations and Other Search Engines - MediLexicon

baby

Type: Term

Pronunciation: bā′bē
Definitions:
1. An infant; a newborn child.

fetus

Type: Term

Pronunciation: fē′tŭs, fē′tŭs-ez
Definitions:
1. The unborn young of a viviparous animal following the embryonic period.
2. In humans, the product of conception from the end of the eighth week of gestation to the moment of birth.

abortion (AB)

Type: Term

Pronunciation: ă-bōr′shŭn
Definitions:
1. Expulsion from the uterus of an embryo or fetus before viability (20 weeks' gestation [18 weeks after fertilization] or fetal weight less than 500 g). A distinction made between abortion and premature birth is that premature infants are those born after the stage of viability but before 37 weeks' gestation. Abortion may be either spontaneous (occurring from natural causes) or induced (artificially or therapeutically).
2. The arrest of any action or process before its normal completion.

Weird...no mention of baby...

 

[chestertonrules]

From: Medical Dictionary, Medical Abbreviations and Other Search Engines - MediLexicon

baby

Type: Term

Pronunciation: bā′bē
Definitions:
1. An infant; a newborn child.

fetus

Type: Term

Pronunciation: fē′tŭs, fē′tŭs-ez
Definitions:
1. The unborn young of a viviparous animal following the embryonic period.
2. In humans, the product of conception from the end of the eighth week of gestation to the moment of birth.

abortion (AB)

Type: Term

Pronunciation: ă-bōr′shŭn
Definitions:
1. Expulsion from the uterus of an embryo or fetus before viability (20 weeks' gestation [18 weeks after fertilization] or fetal weight less than 500 g). A distinction made between abortion and premature birth is that premature infants are those born after the stage of viability but before 37 weeks' gestation. Abortion may be either spontaneous (occurring from natural causes) or induced (artificially or therapeutically).
2. The arrest of any action or process before its normal completion.

Weird...no mention of baby...

You're not even fooling yourself.

Abortion is the violent execution of an innocent human being.

 

[pgp_protector]

You're not even fooling yourself.

Abortion is the violent execution of an innocent human being.

How many babies died in the Flood in Genesis?

 

[lux et lex]

You're not even fooling yourself.

Abortion is the violent execution of an innocent human being.

I'm not even fooling myself? I have no idea what you're talking about. I'm guessing that's the best you could come up with because you won't concede a point.

Abortion is not the "violent execution of an innocent human being."

abortion (AB)

Type: Term

Pronunciation: ă-bōr′shŭn
Definitions:
1. Expulsion from the uterus of an embryo or fetus before viability (20 weeks' gestation [18 weeks after fertilization] or fetal weight less than 500 g). A distinction made between abortion and premature birth is that premature infants are those born after the stage of viability but before 37 weeks' gestation. Abortion may be either spontaneous (occurring from natural causes) or induced (artificially or therapeutically).
2. The arrest of any action or process before its normal completion.

 

[chestertonrules]

I'm not even fooling myself? I have no idea what you're talking about. I'm guessing that's the best you could come up with because you won't concede a point.

Abortion is not the "violent execution of an innocent human being."


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Of course it is, as you know.

Have you ever seen an abortion via ultrasound?

It is a brutal and painful death.

 

[chestertonrules]

How many babies died in the Flood in Genesis?

I have no idea.

If it is a big number does that entitle you to kill one baby?

Is that your point?

 

[pgp_protector]

I have no idea.

If it is a big number does that entitle you to kill one baby?

Is that your point?

I'll answer you.
According to Genesis All of them.
Is not God supposed to be our Example?

 

[lux et lex]

Of course it is, as you know.

Have you ever seen an abortion via ultrasound?

It is a brutal and painful death.

I have watched footage of an abortion, yes as part of a science class. Not particularly brutal. My bestfriend has had an abortion. She said it was like having cramps from a very heavy period.

 

[LightHorseman]

God makes the rules, we don't.

Thou shalt not kill is our rule, not his.

We don't understand him, but he understands us.

If you kill his child, you are breaking his rules.

So... "mysterious ways" huh? Seems a cop out to me.

 

[LightHorseman]

You're not even fooling yourself.

Abortion is the violent execution of an innocent human being.

What dies during an abortion is not a human being.

 

[LightHorseman]

Of course it is, as you know.

Have you ever seen an abortion via ultrasound?

It is a brutal and painful death.

Oh good. Appeal to emotion.

How can something without a CNS feel pain?

 

[Rick Otto]

quote=arundel; I thought being pro-life was a strong unifying belief between Catholics and Protestants.

What led you to think that?

I spoke with several friends (evangelical & reformed protestants) throughout the country who confirmed this to be the case. One active pro-lifer friend said that at the pro-life initiatives his family has participated in over the years, the participants are either 90% or 100% Catholic.

A narrow sampling of anecdotal information, maybe not enough to convoncingly support any conclusion.

When I first began sidewalk counseling the first question was, "what parish are you from?" The assumption was that I was Catholic.

So then people there were presumptive as well?

My question is: Why aren't more Protestants pro-life?

You mean pro-life in the same way you are?

Why do Protestants have a reputation as being non-participants in fighting for the unborn?

It might be because the people perpetuating that reputation are being presumptive. At any rate, just because someone is 'on your side' with any one issue, doesn't necessarily imply they are there for the same reasons, so the question lacks depth on that point as well.

Is it cultural? Is it theological? Is it a matter of priorities? Is it apathy?

Is it real?

Also, have you noticed this too?

Not realy. What I noticed is that Catholics make it an "official policy" which makes it easier for Catholics to organize.

What can we do to change this?

I'm not sure there's anything realy there to talk about, much less 'change'.

To be sure I know that there are many active pro-life Protestants. But why are there so so so so so many more active pro-life Catholics? (far beyond any demographic explanations)

Show me the demographics & the explanations.

I've been apathetic for most of my life too, so I don't mean to condemn anyone.

Oops, too late.

I'm just really surprised that the pro-life movement is primarily a Catholic initiative (at least by money donated and number of participants).

Why? CanI see those money donated & participant figures?

Thanks.

 

[Texas Lynn]

What do you call the violent, intentional killing of an innocent human life?

Not applicable to this discussion.

 

[Texas Lynn]

Here's some reality for you.

California Man Convicted of Double Murder, Killing Pregnant Girlfriend Unborn Child

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]A 34-year-old California man, Aaron Ashley was convicted of two counts of murder in the killings of his pregnant girlfriend and her unborn child.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]California is one of 35 states to have a state law allowing two charges with both mother and child are killed.[/FONT]

All of which amount to bad law.

 

[Texas Lynn]

Makes sense for a tooth extraction. But a tooth does not have a father nor is it capable of independent life outside the mouth.... even if it is an inconvenient tooth.

Most aborted fetii are not capable of independent life. The few that are are primarily not capable of it anyhow, being either deformed or fatally diseased.

 

[Texas Lynn]

Pregnancy is considered an inconvenience by some, but you can't morally kill a human being for convenience.

Not applicable.

 

[Phinehas2]

Texas Lynn,

Not applicable to this discussion.

No, thats up to the moderators, Chestertonrules thinks its relevant and so do I so you are outnumbered. Besaidses as discussion requires reasoning, all you are doing is contradicting. When one acknowledges the life starts at conception then abortion is killing, your argument is that it isnt life and thats what you need to expand on.

 

[Rick Otto]

Originally Posted by chestertonrules

What do you call the violent, intentional killing of an innocent human life?
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Depends on the circumstances. Sometimes it is rightfully called "religious zeal".