Gay Marriage

[LightHorseman]

And again, where are your studies that show gay marriage is harmful to families and such as you claimed?

Well, they're different to everyone I know! Worse, they've been pointed out to me as evil and bad since I was a kid, by significant authority figures no less! Come on! What else do you need?

 

[peace4ever]

Aside from the tradition, started in the 9th Century, that the destructiuon of S&G had anything to do with homosexuality... on what, exactly, do you base your assertion that homosexuality had anything to do with said cities' destruction?

Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13, Genesis 18:16-29, 2 Peter 2:6-8. God clearly tells us that homosexuality is an abomination to Him, in the 2 verses in Leviticus. So it's not hard to know why God said that the people in those cities were lawless since they even wanted to commit homosexual rape upon the man of God! And trying to change the bible to make it say the opposite won't work since your words won't last for eternity and God's words will. So you've picked the wrong person to try to deceive into believing that God loves homosexuality. Sorry.

 

[LightHorseman]

Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13, Genesis 18:16-29, 2 Peter 2:6-8. God clearly tells us that homosexuality is an abomination to Him, in the 2 verses in Leviticus. So it's not hard to know why God said that the people in those cities were lawless since they even wanted to commit homosexual rape upon the man of God! And trying to change the bible to make it say the opposite won't work since your words won't last for eternity and God's words will. So you've picked the wrong person to try to deceive into believing that God loves homosexuality. Sorry.

a. God had already condemned those cities to destruction BEFORE the attempted homosexual rape

b. You don't think that the RAPE was a worse sin than the homosexuality?

c. We are no longer under Levitical law in the new covenant. Which is why you are breaking so many Levitical laws RIGHT THIS VERY SECOND.

Hows "smileys anonymous" coming Carico? You still seem to be struggling under their terrible influence, though not as much as previously.

 

[peace4ever]

a. God had already condemned those cities to destruction BEFORE the attempted homosexual rape

b. You don't think that the RAPE was a worse sin than the homosexuality?

Hows "smileys anonymous" coming Carico? You still seem to be struggling under their terrible influence, though not as much as previously.

So in one day, the whole town just became homosexual. Is that correct? Sorry but God is no fool. He knew where their lust was.

 

[elephunky]

Rape is worse, not sin wise but generally, because you are forcing someone into doing soemthing they dont want to do.

 

[peace4ever]

Rape is worse, not sin wise but generally, because you are forcing someone into doing soemthing they dont want to do.

Since God made the laws, only He can tell us which ones are worse since He is the ultimate judge of the behavior of mankind. Suffice it to say, the people of Sodom and Gomorrah no more cared about God's laws than homosexuals do today. So the fate of both will be the same.

 

[elephunky]

Since God made the laws, only He can tell us which ones are worse since He is the ultimate judge of the behavior of mankind. Suffice it to say, the people of Sodom and Gomorrah no more cared about God's laws than homosexuals do today. So the fate of both will be the same.

I said NOT SIN WISE because all sins are measured teh same. I was talking generally. Generally rape is worse because the "receiver" does not consent

 

[peace4ever]

I said NOT SIN WISE because all sins are measured teh same. I was talking generally. Generally rape is worse because the "receiver" does not consent

I agree.

 

[LightHorseman]

So in one day, the whole town just became homosexual. Is that correct? Sorry but God is no fool. He knew where their lust was.

Carico, homosexuality is never mentioned, so no, once again, you are missing the point. I suspect deliberately.

 

[Fade to Gray]

So in one day, the whole town just became homosexual. Is that correct? Sorry but God is no fool. He knew where their lust was.

You do realize that an attempted homosexual rape does not actually prove that the men were even homosexual, right? And the fact that the passage says that "the whole town" shows up outside Lot's door, as you seem to realize, the chances that all of the men were homosexual are pretty slim.

 

[LightHorseman]

You do realize that an attempted homosexual rape does not actually prove that the men were even homosexual, right? And the fact that the passage says that "the whole town" shows up outside Lot's door, as you seem to realize, the chances that all of the men were homosexual are pretty slim.

See, Carico has always had, at best, little more than a nodding aquaintance with what most people would think of as logic and reality. The groucho glasses and slight decline in smiley usage do not seem to have altered this.

 

[Polycarp1]

Unfortunately, most people have no clue why God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah. That's because most people don't learn from history. The sexual union is a copy of our union with God. So God takes it very seriously when we defile His creation and His design for the human being. Thus, sexual immorality is not only blasphemous, it degrades the value of a human being to reducing humanity to the level of animal bodily gratification. That's not only an affront to God and His design for humans, it's an abomination to Him.

Or you could refer to the Bible, which says explicitly why God condemned Sodom and Gomorrah, instead of blaming the gays for it.

 

[peace4ever]

Or you could refer to the Bible, which says explicitly why God condemned Sodom and Gomorrah, instead of blaming the gays for it.

I always do refer to the bible which is why I know that the whole town of Sodom wanted to commit homosexual rape on a godly man. That's where the term "sodomy" came from; the acts of the people of Sodom.

 

[andross77]

Or you could refer to the Bible, which says explicitly why God condemned Sodom and Gomorrah, instead of blaming the gays for it.

So you are talking about Jude 1:7 or Ezekiel 16:49? Or maybe, like an honest biblical scholar we should take both as truth instead of cherrypicking Scripture to say what we want it to say?

So the sins of Sodom for which it was destroyed were: pride, neglect of the poor, sexual immorality and practicing perversions.

And then we can see from Genesis 19:4-5 that the "sexual immorality and perversions" that the people of Sodom and Gomorrah practiced was homosexual sex.

So now it's just as people have been saying since Christ's time on earth: all sin is equal in God's sight. Pride, neglecting the poor, homosexuality and ANY OTHER SIN you want to put in here will equally separate you from God. We all need forgiveness.

But let us NOT twist Scripture to fit our lives. Let us discipline our lives to conform to God's teachings.

 

[Polycarp1]

I always do refer to the bible which is why I know that the whole town of Sodom wanted to commit homosexual rape on a godly man. That's where the term "sodomy" came from; the acts of the people of Sodom.

I see absolutely nothing in Scripture about the men of Sodom wishing to commit homosexual rape on a godly man. I do see God condemning Sodom for its sins in the chapter before they mobbed Lot's house demanding access to the angels. I see Ezekiel condemning the sins of the Israelites and comparing them to "the sin of your sister Sodom" which is spelled out in detail.

Of course, one can always prooftext out a scapegoat to give supposed Scriptural warrant to one's judgment of others; and never mind what God has to say about that!

 

[peace4ever]

I see absolutely nothing in Scripture about the men of Sodom wishing to commit homosexual rape on a godly man. I do see God condemning Sodom for its sins in the chapter before they mobbed Lot's house demanding access to the angels. I see Ezekiel condemning the sins of the Israelites and comparing them to "the sin of your sister Sodom" which is spelled out in detail.

Of course, one can always prooftext out a scapegoat to give supposed Scriptural warrant to one's judgment of others; and never mind what God has to say about that!

The read Genesis 18:5-6. Sorry friend, but a whole town doesn't decide to become homosexual in one day. In fact, those who support homosexuality claim that homosexuals can't help themselves since they've been programmed since birth to lust after their own sex.

So sorry, but you defeat your argument every way around.

 

[Fade to Gray]

The read Genesis 18:5-6. Sorry friend, but a whole town doesn't decide to become homosexual in one day.

I don't know if you missed my first reply or if you just decided to ignore it, but perpetrators of homosexual rape are not necessarily homosexual themselves, and it's highly improbable that the entire town could have been.

 

[Nadiine]

I don't know if you missed my first reply or if you just decided to ignore it, but perpetrators of homosexual rape are not necessarily homosexual themselves, and it's highly improbable that the entire town could have been.

I disagree.
Prior to their destruction, Abraham was asking God to spare them if
he could just find 50 righteous in the city -
Gen 18
20 Then the LORD said, "The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous
21 that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me.
If not, I will know."

It started at 50, then was whittled down to just 10...
32 Then he said, "May the Lord not be angry, but let me speak just once more.
What if only ten can be found there?"
He answered, "For the sake of ten, I will not destroy it."

Not even 10 righteous people could be found to spare the city.
Lot & his family were escorted in short order.

I think they could easily have been that depraved. I mean, stop
to think of it, in ancient days, they held violence as sport -
where Christians & prisoners were tortured for fun in packed
out arena's!
Cheering as people were skinned alive & eaten by animals.

Yes I think they could be that depraved in Sodom.

 

[Criada]

I disagree.
Prior to their destruction, Abraham was asking God to spare them if
he could just find 50 righteous in the city -
Gen 18
20 Then the LORD said, "The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous
21 that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me.
If not, I will know."

It started at 50, then was whittled down to just 10...
32 Then he said, "May the Lord not be angry, but let me speak just once more.
What if only ten can be found there?"
He answered, "For the sake of ten, I will not destroy it."

Not even 10 righteous people could be found to spare the city.
Lot & his family were escorted in short order.

I think they could easily have been that depraved. I mean, stop
to think of it, in ancient days, they held violence as sport -
where Christians & prisoners were tortured for fun in packed
out arena's!
Cheering as people were skinned alive & eaten by animals.

Yes I think they could be that depraved in Sodom.

Of course, if the entire town was homosexual, there was little reason for God to destroy them, since they would not have survived to the next generation anyway....

 

[peace4ever]

See, Carico has always had, at best, little more than a nodding aquaintance with what most people would think of as logic and reality. The groucho glasses and slight decline in smiley usage do not seem to have altered this.

When the bible says that men wanted to have sex with other men, the it's completely and totally illogical to claim that the men in Sodom weren't homosexuals. ..unless of course, you don't know what homosexuality is.