Suspect jailed in Kansas abortion doctor's killing

[mpok1519]

By that logic, the murder of concentration camp guards in 1938 Nazi Germany was wrong. What the concentration camps were doing was legal. Murdering the guards was not legal.

Let's all say that the realms and arenas of war and clinical settings are to be treated with different scrutiny.

 

[lux et lex]

imho no. In the case of GT we have a serial contract killer being protected by the State. Hence there is objectively NO POSSIBILTY of bringing his bloody career to a halt through legal action. The only avenue left open on Sunday to keep him from shedding more innocent blood on Monday was to do what Roeder did.

Well then I hope the Terrorist gets life in prison where he will fade into oblivion rather than the death penalty where he will be martyred for his cause.
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Some of the views in this thread are downright terrifying btw...

 

[Sphere]

Is it any surprise to see christians here hailing Roeder as a 'hero' or 'courageous'? The massive irony is that their utterly oblivious to the fact that their mentality mirrors that of islamist extremists who hail the 9/11 hijackers as 'heros' and 'courageous'.

 

[Catherineanne]

Is it any surprise to see christians here hailing Roeder as a 'hero' or 'courageous'? The massive irony is that their utterly oblivious to the fact that their mentality mirrors that of islamist extremists who hail the 9/11 hijackers as 'heros' and 'courageous'.

This is exactly right.

 

[Catherineanne]

When the State utterly fails in it's mandate to provide Justice do not be surprised that some have the courage to resort to vigilance activity.

It takes no courage to shoot an unarmed man in a church.

It takes cowardice, incitement to murder and a complete disregard for the sanctity of life, the rule of law and the US constitution. And you are condoning all of that in what you say.

US Christians complained recently about hate crimes legislation affecting them, and I was amazed to hear that they honestly thought they would be restricted by it. Now I see that they were right to worry; the sooner some of these barbaric, hateful messages are made illegal, the better. If this terrorist has ensured one thing, it is that this legislation will now certainly be passed, imo.

Already in my country, if a minister were to use words such as yours from the pulpit, he could be prosecuted for incitement to violence. And thank God for that. Nobody is above the law, and nobody is entitled to take the law into his own hands.

 

[Col3_11n12]

When the State utterly fails in it's mandate to provide Justice do not be surprised that some have the courage to resort to vigilance activity.

It takes no courage to shoot an unarmed man in a church.

Sure it does. Life imprisonment, lots of witnesses. No criminal defense: he's guilty. Shoot him in a back alley, maybe I would agree with you.

It's just like how everybody says suicide bombers are cowards. Hate to say it, but--they're not. They died for their cause. That's more than can be said of all the Christians holding their TV remote watching it on the news. What have they done?

Nobody is above the law, and nobody is entitled to take the law into his own hands.

Whose law? Britain has commissioned pirates, aided the French Resistance, harbored Free French and Free Polish terrorists, and beheaded and burned religious leaders at the stake because they refused to sign Henry VIII's decree sanctioning his adulterous affairs as legitimate. Sorry, but kings do NOT have a divine right.

 

[Catherineanne]

It's just like how everybody says suicide bombers are cowards. Hate to say it, but--they're not. They died for their cause.

This is a new definition of bravery to me. Blowing up oneself in order to achieve glorious martyrdom in heaven, and in the process blowing up innocent men, women and children.

Yes, that is certainly my idea of cowardice. In fact, I can't think of anything more craven.

Someone who dies for their beliefs is certainly a martyr. But someone who kills is a murderous bastard, nothing more.

Whose law? Britain has commissioned pirates, aided the French Resistance, harbored Free French and Free Polish terrorists, and beheaded and burned religious leaders at the stake because they refused to sign Henry VIII's decree sanctioning his adulterous affairs as legitimate. Sorry, but kings do NOT have a divine right.

Indeed so. Kings in the UK do not have a divine right, because the principle was established in Parliament that nobody is above the law. That is why we cut Charles the First's head off; he thought he could do no wrong, and Parliament disagreed.

In a modern democracy, one of the fundamental principles is that the law applies to everyone, and nobody is above it. It is this fundamental principle that has been attacked in this terrible, terrible crime.

If you or anyone else can't see that, then I can only say you do not understand how fortunate you are to live in a democratic country, when you don't even know what democracy is, or what it is founded upon.

 

[Ave Maria]

Wow. The defense of the murder of Tiller on these forums is just appalling. The murder of Tiller was a terrorist attack in my opinion. The shooter thought that by shooting Tiller, he could terrorize other abortionists to quit their jobs most likely. Of course, I don't really know what was going on in his mind but I suspect that he may have been thinking that.

 

[Catherineanne]

Wow. The defense of the murder of Tiller on these forums is just appalling. The murder of Tiller was a terrorist attack in my opinion. The shooter thought that by shooting Tiller, he could terrorize other abortionists to quit their jobs most likely. Of course, I don't really know what was going on in his mind but I suspect that he may have been thinking that.

Certainly this is true.

Except these doctors are not abortionists, they are gynaenocologists and obstetricians. Do we really want to reach a position where there are no doctors courageous enough to train in women's health, and the delivery of all babies is put at risk? This way madness lies.

There is no such thing as an abortion doctor or an abortionist. If we return to the days of backstreet kitchen table abortion, there will be, and God help us all then.

 

[Stormahead]

Wow. The defense of the murder of Tiller on these forums is just appalling. .....................

not nearly as appalling as the defense of Tiller the murderer on these forums.

 

[Stormahead]

............... But someone who kills is a murderous bastard, nothing more.



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Hmmmmm, does that include George Tiller and the rest of his murderous ilk?????????

 

[Stormahead]

Let's all say that the realms and arenas of war and clinical settings are to be treated with different scrutiny.

Why?

 

[Sphere]

Hmmmmm, does that include George Tiller and the rest of his murderous ilk?????????

You would have a point, if only you believed Tiller and his 'ilk' were murderers.

But you do not believe that.

 

[Morcova]

This is a new definition of bravery to me. Blowing up oneself in order to achieve glorious martyrdom in heaven, and in the process blowing up innocent men, women and children.

Murdering women and children is now considered bravery.

Wow.

What is this world coming to?

 

[mpok1519]

Why?

Find a reason.

Perhaps I've just never associated doctors with guns and homicide more than I've associated war and death (which maks perfect sense)

 

[mpok1519]

Sure it does. Life imprisonment, lots of witnesses. No criminal defense: he's guilty. Shoot him in a back alley, maybe I would agree with you.

No my frien; you confuse courage, with blind stupidity. you confuse bravery with ignorant hate.

It's just like how everybody says suicide bombers are cowards. Hate to say it, but--they're not. They died for their cause. That's more than can be said of all the Christians holding their TV remote watching it on the news. What have they done?

We have not bombed or shot anyone; thats for sure. Its not what we have done; its hat we refuse to do. Say, like, insanity.

And perhaps a suicide bomber is a coward; perhaps a suicide bomber simply is too afraid to continue living. And if he can earn some cash from America's oil money in the process, thats just an incentive.

Whose law? Britain has commissioned pirates, aided the French Resistance, harbored Free French and Free Polish terrorists, and beheaded and burned religious leaders at the stake because they refused to sign Henry VIII's decree sanctioning his adulterous affairs as legitimate. Sorry, but kings do NOT have a divine right.

Roeder didn't have divine right; but many are praising his acts as God's will.

Strange how all this dellusion of granduer could lead to such tragedy. Strange how Roeder's friends and family didn't notice his mental disease soon enough to get him help....oh wait, his friends were probably the one's encouraging this type of insane behavior....

 

[mpok1519]

not nearly as appalling as the defense of Tiller the murderer on these forums.

REALLY? You think its better to support Roeder?

You do know Roeder's actions were caused by a severe mental ailment; not some righteous, hand-of-God justice in action, right?

This is hiow insane the pro-life movement has become.

And Roeder has claimed there will be more violence.

Broederbond >> Do you believe more future vigilante justice would be a good and salubrious thing?

 

[Guttermouth]

Hmmmmm, does that include George Tiller and the rest of his murderous ilk?????????

I'm guessing your knowledge of Mr. Tiller begins and ends in some ignorant idea of what he did. Some sort of propagandist garbage about sucking out the brains of poor innocent babies.

Reality is that he helped women through some fo the most terrible times of their lives. They loved him for it. You can read their testimonies if you look for them. I know you won't though. I'll just assume you would walk pregnant woman with uterine cancer to her death, because you are so pro-life and all.

 

[Stormahead]

Find a reason.

Perhaps I've just never associated doctors with guns and homicide more than I've associated war and death (which maks perfect sense)

study Nazi Germany and Stalin's Russia- docs were at the top of the mass murderer pile.

 

[mpok1519]

but we're not nazi germany or stalin russia dude. ~head desk~