It is time for a new Holy Inquisition

[katholikos]

And how does this relate to loud vehement borderline disrespectful (in some cases) complaints about bishops and the Pope on message forums and websites?

About the same as it relates to Catholics who boast of voting for pro-abortion politicians

 

[thereselittleflower]

Keep her in your prayers DF........she takes a lot of smack for defending the Faith every day........... even from our own.

Yes, I need your prayers .. . for this and my health. I covet your prayres.

 

[Basil the Great]

If nothing else, the drastic move that I have proposed herein would draw instant worldwide media attention to the issue of abortion and whether or not it is a moral act. There would be debate and discussion all over the television and radio about abortion and it's implications and whether it should be legal or not.

 

[thereselittleflower]

And how does this relate to loud vehement borderline disrespectful (in some cases) complaints about bishops and the Pope on message forums and websites?

Where has this happened in the OP? I am not concerned with what goes on on message boards . . I am concerned about the topic of this thread, and this is what I am discussing. Please do not go off topic.

 

[JoabAnias]

Yes and it incurs an automatic Latæ Sententiæ excommunication.

CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Excommunication
SUMMA THEOLOGICA: Those who can excommunicate or be excommunicated ...
CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Anathema
SUMMA THEOLOGICA: Communication with excommunicated persons ...

CCC Search Result - Paragraph # 2272
Formal cooperation in an abortion constitutes a grave offense. The Church attaches the canonical penalty of excommunication to this crime against human life. "A person who procures a completed abortion incurs excommunication latae sententiae," "by the very commission of the offense," and subject to the conditions provided by Canon Law. The Church does not thereby intend to restrict the scope of mercy. Rather, she makes clear the gravity of the crime committed, the irreparable harm done to the innocent who is put to death, as well as to the parents and the whole of society.

77 CIC, can. 1398.
78 CIC, can. 1314.

Can. 1314 A penalty is for the most part ferendae sententiae, that is, not binding upon the offender until it has been imposed. It is, however, latae sententiae, so that it is incurred automatically upon the commission of an offence, if a law or precept expressly lays this down.

Can. 1398 A person who actually procures an abortion incurs a latae sententiae excommunication.
http://www.ourladyswarriors.org/canon/

If you read the above post say aye.

 

[frenchdefense]

If nothing else, the drastic move that I have proposed herein would draw instant worldwide media attention to the issue of abortion and whether or not it is a moral act. There would be debate and discussion all over the television and radio about abortion and it's implications and if it should be legal or not.

While I'm actually for having an honest, open and intellectual debate about the morality of abortion/IVR/reproductive rights. (It sorely needed since we haven't had on in about 35 years) I think that this drastic move is going to do nothing but get the Vatican declared a terrorist state and quarantined by NATO.

 

[thereselittleflower]

It is time for a new Holy Inquisition

Yeah, that's because the first one worked so danged well.

If you say that, then it is obvious that you do not understand what the inquisitions were or what they actually did.

The Spanish Inquisition was very noble, fair, the highest level of law seen anywhere in Europe, and so much so could a person be assured of a fair trial, they would blaspheme to get their cases moved from secular courst to the Inquisition.


Please educate yourself on the matter. . you can start by googling, The Myth of the Spanish Inquisition.

It worked very well and preserved Spain from the heresies that were having a hayday in the rest of Europe.

 

[thereselittleflower]

Since all these seem to be aimed at me, let me ask a question of you directly:

Am I Catholic?

I see a black chrisian icon . . . you tell me since you don't use a Catholic icon.

 

[Fish and Bread]

About the same as it relates to Catholics who boast of voting for pro-abortion politicians

I am sorry if I inadvertently violated the first article of faith of the Republican Catholic Church. Oh, wait, doesn't the Rome in RCC actually stand for Roman?

Where has this happened in the OP? I am not concerned with what goes on on message boards . . I am concerned about the topic of this thread, and this is what I am discussing. Please do not go off topic.

I try to generalize so as not to inadvertently throw stones. I am not qualified to judge people. I just find it worrisome that, in general, it seems like respect for the episcopacy is on the decline, and that people seem to feel qualified to publicly demand that the bishops or the Popes do such and such.

If you read the above post say aye.

Aye.

 

[Basil the Great]

For every Catholic who were to leave the Church because of what I have proposed, it is quite possible that there would be just as many Orthodox and Protestants joining the Church out of their immense respect for the Church's stand to enforce it's pro-life teaching with it's elected officials.

 

[thereselittleflower]

Your response assumes the Church wants to move in that direction.

This issue has been around for how many decades on the modern political landscape?

By time the Church makes a decision most of the folks who are the target of the animosity in OBOB will be retired or dead.

Maybe, maybe not. You assume much.

 

[thereselittleflower]

Your response assumes the Church wants to move in that direction.

This issue has been around for how many decades on the modern political landscape?

By time the Church makes a decision most of the folks who are the target of the animosity in OBOB will be retired or dead.

Hopefully he will tell us, and if he refuses to identify himself, then he has no business debating here in OBOB.

 

[thereselittleflower]

If you read the above post say aye.

aye!

 

[chaoschristian]

I see a black chrisian icon . . . you tell me since you don't use a Catholic icon.

I also don't use a rosary or decorate my house with icons.

Am I a Catholic?

 

[thereselittleflower]

I also don't use a rosary or decorate my house with icons.

Am I a Catholic?

If you refuse to use a Catholic icon or clearly identify yourself as a Catholic eligible to debate here according to the fsg's of this forum, then you cannot debate us here.


So, you tell us. . . and quit playing games.

 

[Basil the Great]

frenchdefense: There would be no grounds for the Church to be declared a terrorist state or to be quarantined by NATO. The Church has every right to simply summon it's members to a hearing or be excommunicated based upon the public evidence.

 

[frenchdefense]

frenchdefense: There would be no grounds for the Church to be declared a terrorist state or to be quarantined by NATO. The Church has every right to simply summon it's members to a hearing or be excommunicated based upon the public evidence.

If, as a sovereign state, the US can't enforce a sopena overseas (as has been stated here many times here) then the Vatican as an independent state can't enforce on a foreign national either

 

[chaoschristian]

If you refuse to use a Catholic icon or clearly identify yourself as a Catholic eligible to debate here according to the fsg's of this forum, then you cannot debate us here.


So, you tell us. . . and quit playing games.

I refuse to use any of the icons, but I don't have a choice in the matter.

 

[longhair75]

One of the large issues in the 1960 presidential election was the discussion of how much influence the Vatican would have over the first Catholic president if he was elected. I think that many would see wholesale excommunications to be undue interference in American politics

 

[thereselittleflower]

If, as a sovereign state, the US can't enforce a sopena overseas (as has been stated here many times here) then the Vatican as an independent state can't enforce on a foreign national either

You are barking up the wrong tree . . . it has nothing to do with being a sovereign state.

It has to do with religious discipline. . .

Please think about this.