Charles Darwin to receive apology from the Church of England for rejecting evolution

[AV1611VET]

If somebody wrecks a car, he is clearly not the perfect driver.

Why not? People can (and do) wreck their cars by avoiding hitting something (or someone) in the road.

 

[MrGoodBytes]

Well, if I, for instance, built a perfect car with a perfect driver, and told the driver NEVER to get on Interstate 5, and he got on Interstate 5, then he just lost his perfection.

A perfect driver wouldn't crash a car, no matter where he goes - especially when driving a perfect car.

 

[MrGoodBytes]

Why not? People can (and do) wreck their cars by avoiding hitting something (or someone) in the road.

And how many of those are considered perfect drivers?

 

[AV1611VET]

A perfect driver wouldn't crash a car, no matter where he goes - especially when driving a perfect car.

I disagree.

 

[AV1611VET]

And how many of those are considered perfect drivers?

Before we stray too far from the point --- let's reiterate my main point --- it is not the manufacturer's fault.

 

[Cabal]

Well, if I, for instance, built a perfect car with a perfect driver, and told the driver NEVER to get on Interstate 5, and he got on Interstate 5, then he just lost his perfection.

I was referring to the..."roadworthiness" of the car, if you like. Regardless of the driver's abilities, a perfect car should be able to handle any surface.

Edit: Sorry AV, didn't catch your last post there, ignore this tangent for now, if I think of a more relevant question I'll ask it later.

 

[AV1611VET]

I was referring to the..."roadworthiness" of the car, if you like. Regardless of the driver's abilities, a perfect car should be able to handle any surface.

If I built a perfect ship, could it "sail" down Interstate 5?

 

[Split Rock]

Well, if I, for instance, built a perfect car with a perfect driver, and told the driver NEVER to get on Interstate 5, and he got on Interstate 5, then he just lost his perfection.

How can "perfection" be lost??

 

[Split Rock]

If I built a perfect ship, could it "sail" down Interstate 5?

Is it an amphibious ship?

 

[UncleHermit]

I disagree.

Why?

Maybe it would help if you explain what you mean by "perfect driver" and "perfect car".

 

[atomweaver]

Of course it does --- that's because God doesn't work on the same principle as "modern" chemistry works on, viz. trial and error

...If you are doing chemistry by trial and error, you are doing chemistry wrong.

 

[MrGoodBytes]

I disagree.

Then please tell what you mean by "perfect" you are using, because you don't seem to use the standard definition.

 

[MrGoodBytes]

Before we stray too far from the point --- let's reiterate my main point --- it is not the manufacturer's fault.

Perhaps not. In any case, the debate is moot, since God didn't create a perfect universe but a very good one (and before you start your spiel about very good for God means perfect for humans, you'd better have a biblical source for that).

 

[atomweaver]

Its funny that AVVET would be going on about thalidomide... Its the best thing to help leprosy in the past 1978 years LINK

 

[MoonLancer]

LOL! Got it right the first time?? That's rich, AVET. Let's look at how God got it right:

1. His perfect Angelic creation, Lucifer turns against him. God in his forsight does nothing to not only prevent this, but allows Lucifer to take a third of all God's perfect angelic creations with him down the path of rebellion.

2. His perfect non-angelic creation , Adam, disobeys him and throws all of creation into chaos, allowing Lucifer to rule over the earth. Again, God does nothing to prevent this.

3. God sits around and twiddles his thumbs while Lucifer continues to run His creation as if Lucifer himself had created it. After a few thousand years, He send His son donwn to keep at least some of his children from failing through Sin into Hellfire. He then waits again before fixing the mess of His Creation that He should have prevented in the first palce.

Well Done, indeed

sorry i am late... um

2a Mankind becomes evil and corrupt so he kills most of them in a flood.

2b Mankind unites under the spire of Babylon and god is displeased and is said to split us into the waring nations that we are today.

Get it right the first time? when did got ever get it right?

the more likely situation. God claims he got it right, then all hell breaks loose (in a literal sense)

 

[Belk]

Well --- that's my question --- how did the formula get from R&D to Marketing?

Did big shots demand they hand over their clipboards? And, if so, who told the big shots there was a completed formula in the first place?

So it is the scientists fault that you have no clue how R&D works in a large drug company?

 

[atomweaver]

Don't let AVVET steer you wrong, Belk. Remember, the process from R&D to Marketing for thalidomide in the US worked exactly as it should, i.e. from R&D, it went to the FDA and got stopped cold by a scientist

 

[MrGoodBytes]

Its funny that AVVET would be going on about thalidomide... Its the best thing to help leprosy in the past 1978 years LINK

I've heard killing birds also works wonders. I suspect that thalidomide already cured more lepers than died over the ages as a result of that procedure.

 

[MrGoodBytes]

Don't let AVVET steer you wrong, Belk. Remember, the process from R&D to Marketing for thalidomide in the US worked exactly as it should, i.e. from R&D, it went to the FDA and got stopped cold by a scientist

Only because the LORD himself watches over this great nation.

JERUSALEM!

 

[AV1611VET]

Why?

Maybe it would help if you explain what you mean by "perfect driver" and "perfect car".

It doesn't matter what the definition of "perfect" is --- the point is --- would the manufacturer be to blame?

Let me reword the question, so it's a little easier to comprehend:

• If I built a good car, and put a good driver in it, and he wrecked it, would it be my fault?

If you answer "no" to that question, then my next point is:

• If a good car and driver aren't my fault, neither would a very good car and very good driver be my fault.