Is it ok for a Christian to be into fantasy?

[rmw8855]

Please do not make it personal. This discussion is not about homosexuality and not about Nadiine or any other poster. The best way to avoid problems or hurt feelings is to stay on topic.

 

[Cabal]

 

[Nadiine]

ROFLOL

 

[Cabal]

You have NO idea how long I've been waiting to pop that one in.....

 

[Nadiine]

You have NO idea how long I've been waiting to pop that one in.....

Oh I can imagine that's been killing you being bottled up in there. hehee
too funny! The guy looks like he's getting good news on his stock returns hahhaha

 

[Nadiine]

.

 

[FreeinChrist]

I'm closing this for 24 hours to let tempers cool.

 

[FreeinChrist]

Opening the thread again after clean-up.

Sorry it took longer than 24 hours. The reports were recoded and we got them in triplicate! What a pain!

 

[boswd]

I would like everyone's opinion on Christians who are into make-believe fantasy stuff, like books, movies, games or other media involving imaginary or magical fantasy worlds and creatures, like dragons, unicorns, fairies, mermaids, elves, dwarves, aliens, robots, sci-fi, talking animals, werewolves, vampires, ghosts, etc. I don't care for vampires or ghosts but I like the other creatures. Dragons unicorns and fairies are my favorite fantasy creatures. I write fantasy stories, read them and watch movies like Shrek and Disney, Narnia, Pirates of the Carirbean, Eragon, Lord of the Rings, Never Ending Story, Dragonheart, etc. He-man and She-ra, Thundercats, The Last Unicorn, etc. I also draw and paint fantasy art. Does anyone think it is wrong for a Christian to write stories with dragons as the heroes or draw pictures of them? I know the Bible says Satan appears as a dragon but I think some dragons are good. i sometimes have good dragons fight the evil ones in my writing. I suppose I am so stubborn and determined that it doesn't matter what you all say, i will continue to do what I want. but I would like to hear the opnion of my fellow Christians.

god gave man two great gifts, the first, well we all know that one, Christ and the second is he gave us a thinking mind.

To cut off imagination it's to cut off one of god's greatest gifts to us.

 

[boswd]

Movies influence our younger generation. And if the parents don't know how to raise their kids or don't raise them in the right way, guess who is going to get the blame? The movie makers. Did you ever think when children watch these movies that they get influenced in doing witchcraft? Yes, they do.

If J.K. Rowling is a Christian, why couldn't she make a Christian movie or a movie that has nothing to do with evil things?

Its because evil sells. Did you ever notice that?

Very few positive movies sell and when you compare negativity to positivity, negativity scores higher each time.

And thats another thing that I dislike about certain Christians (or so-called Christians). You cannot take evil and make it good. This is not a world full of adults but its full of children as well.

Is this how we want our generation to be influenced?

Do you want to tell your kids or siblings that something evil is ok when its portrayed to seem good?

What about Chronicles of Narnia? That has evil in it.

You see you can't have a double standard. Narnia was a classic Good over Evil, Harry Potter is a classic good over evil.

both have had magic, sorcery in it. If you ban books and movies that have this ( good vs evil ) just think of everything you are going to deprive your child of:

Snow White
Cinderalla
Narnia
Lord of The Rings
Harry Potter
Sleeping Beuty
Pinnicohio
Star Wars
Beauwolf (spelling?)
MacBeth

All have magic, and are classic good v. evil. Is this the kind of a sheltered life you want your kids to live in?

 

[IisJustMe]

What about Chronicles of Narnia? That has evil in it. You see you can't have a double standard. Narnia was a classic Good over Evil, Harry Potter is a classic good over evil. ... both have had magic, sorcery in it. If you ban books and movies that have this ( good vs evil ) just think of everything you are going to deprive your child of:

Snow White
Cinderalla
Narnia
Lord of The Rings
Harry Potter
Sleeping Beuty
Pinnicohio
Star Wars
Beauwolf (spelling?)
MacBeth

All have magic, and are classic good v. evil. Is this the kind of a sheltered life you want your kids to live in?

You forgot one. The Bible. Its filled with evil thoughts, evil words, evil deeds and evil people. Perhaps, by those standards, we shouldn't share it with our kids?

Seems to me to be a logical (but most erroneous) conclusion based on the post to which you replied.

 

[boswd]

Again, when parents don't do their job, kids take chances. They don't have to be incredibly young. I know kids (very smart too) that are 13-16 that wants to do witchcraft because of Harry Potter. Movies influence.



This statement is irrevelant. Again, do you want to tell your kids or siblings that something evil is ok when its portrayed as good? Or let me be specific. Do you want to tell them that witchcraft is ok if its for doing it out of good?

Please tell me how many Children you know who have read Harry Potter who are now, witches and satan lovers?

I bet you have never read the books. Most paranoid Hysteria stems from ignorance.

 

[Nadiine]

Please tell me how many Children you know who have read Harry Potter who are now, witches and satan lovers?

I bet you have never read the books. Most paranoid Hysteria stems from ignorance.

The issue isn't that they TURN INTO WITCHES (which no doubt will be what it causes some to do), the issue is that they're indoctrinated into paganism and sympathetic to the religion of witchcraft as they get older becuz they don't view it as wrong or evil.

It's raising up a generation of people who are most likely nonbelievers who have been familiarized with the principles of witchcraft and who won't be negative against it as a religion becuz it was made into a good experience for them.
THAT is the bigger picture - it has also raised interest of young kids into paganism/witchcraft which has been documented.

http://christianforums.com/showpost.php?p=41366198&postcount=109
This is a post I made of HP fans on a forum board - you can see where the HP material led them into paganism.

This is a link to a post I left when I unsubscribed to the HP thread (which got silly & redundant) w/ info & links as to why HP is problematic - people will make up their own minds and people who are against HP have valid reason to be.
http://christianforums.com/showpost.php?p=41437980&postcount=512

 

[Nadiine]

I bet you have never read the books. Most paranoid Hysteria stems from ignorance.

And once again we see this principle: If you don't personally participate in something, you can't know ANYTHING about it or form any opinion or judgment on it.

It's a fallacy - scripture doesn't support such a principle.

 

[Nadiine]

You forgot one. The Bible. Its filled with evil thoughts, evil words, evil deeds and evil people. Perhaps, by those standards, we shouldn't share it with our kids?

Seems to me to be a logical (but most erroneous) conclusion based on the post to which you replied.

Actually you SHOULDN"T share some things in the bible with kids who are too young to process or understand the information.
I would hardly consider it appropriate to read them scripture from Job when Job is tested or the book of Judges when they rape the woman... or the sons of Sceva getting whooped up by demons...

No we shouldn't share things with kids that they aren't ready for (maturity) emotionally, mentally or spiritually.

And this isn't any support for HP or other entertainment that glorifies what God calls evil or using evil for good purposes which goes against His very message.

 

[IisJustMe]

Actually you SHOULDN"T share some things in the bible with kids who are too young to process or understand the information.

Well, I didn't mean share the murders, rapes and gory details with them. But there is still evil act and evil intent throughout even stories tame enough for them to hear. That doesn't mean we shouldn't teach them from the Bible, which would be the logical but erroneous conclusion if you used Kallen's logic.

 

[boswd]

And once again we see this principle: If you don't personally participate in something, you can't know ANYTHING about it or form any opinion or judgment on it.

It's a fallacy - scripture doesn't support such a principle.

So in other words you haven't read it, correct?

Then how can you make an accurate argument or claim?

 

[Nadiine]

So in other words you haven't read it, correct?

Then how can you make an accurate argument or claim?

I gave this example in another thread about movies that mock God just this am.

I can watch a Trailer for "Saw 4" or "Hostel" and make educated judgment on its content, can't I?
I also have Christians who HAVE seen it & reviewed the series & give information about it & what is wrong in it as far as Christianity is contradicted.

Those allow me to form judgments on content. I don't need to nor do I HAVE to go to see Hostel to realize, "Gee, that really WAS a human torture flick that was riddled with graphic sexual content".

What is HP in general? A young boy who has supernatural powers who goes to a school of witchcraft to learn how to harness his powers correctly....

According to God, witchcraft/sorcery is evil - the movie is presenting witchcraft in a positive light; even to the point of teaching that muggles (non-witches) are a BAD thing!
The lists go on with the sorcery & divination powers they use.. these are a teaching tool for kids to learn the principles in paganism/witchcraft.
Hardly healthy for Christian parents to hand their kids material that glorifies witchcraft, then tries to teach them that God calls it all "EVIL".

A little contradictory imho.
My links on the pages I offered spell this all out for me.

What's more interesting to me is the vehement ANGER on people's parts who embrace HP!! They act as if they're getting a root canal done with no anesthetic or something. ODD to say the least since they claim that it's just a book -or movie.

 

[Kelly]

The Christian debate over appropriateness of magical themed fictional media will never end with anyone coming over to the opposing viewpoint. I guess all we can say is that neither side should imply the other is not a true follower of Christ if they continue to have their viewpoint.

 

[boswd]

I gave this example in another thread about movies that mock God just this am.

I can watch a Trailer for "Saw 4" or "Hostel" and make educated judgment on its content, can't I?
I also have Christians who HAVE seen it & reviewed the series & give information about it & what is wrong in it as far as Christianity is contradicted.

Those allow me to form judgments on content. I don't need to nor do I HAVE to go to see Hostel to realize, "Gee, that really WAS a human torture flick that was riddled with graphic sexual content".

What is HP in general? A young boy who has supernatural powers who goes to a school of witchcraft to learn how to harness his powers correctly....

According to God, witchcraft/sorcery is evil - the movie is presenting witchcraft in a positive light; even to the point of teaching that muggles (non-witches) are a BAD thing!
The lists go on with the sorcery & divination powers they use.. these are a teaching tool for kids to learn the principles in paganism/witchcraft.
Hardly healthy for Christian parents to hand their kids material that glorifies witchcraft, then tries to teach them that God calls it all "EVIL".

A little contradictory imho.
My links on the pages I offered spell this all out for me.

What's more interesting to me is the vehement ANGER on people's parts who embrace HP!! They act as if they're getting a root canal done with no anesthetic or something. ODD to say the least since they claim that it's just a book -or movie.

So if you are going to base your claims that since it has magic in, Harry Potter, then is it safe to assume you share the same logic and opinions on all movies and books that contain magic in it?

Narnia is full of magic and socery, and so is a whole list I have posted before, I'll post them again

Snow White
Cinderella
Pinocchio
Sleeping Beuty
Narnia
Lord of The Rings.

Now if by what deem as "against God" then all these books and movies are also agains God.

You can't have a double standard especially if you have never read them or seen them.

I wouldn't so much as call it anger but it does get people going when they make claims and acusations based on hysteria and paranoia, especially when you base your claims on something you have never read and using seeing a Saw trailer is pretty silly.

Besides wasn't it the fundemental Christians that were burning Harry Potter books in anger!!!!!!!!! Hmmmmm